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Twins 3, Angels 5: Angels Comeback, Win on Walk-off


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The Twins lack of insurance runs ended up being their demise. The Angels picked at the pitching until it fell apart and what was a shutout into the eighth inning for the Twins, ended in disaster. 

Box Score
SP: Dylan Bundy: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K (65 pitches, 4 strikes (70%))
Home Runs: Carlos Correa (13)
Top 3 WPA: Dylan Bundy (.293), Emilio Pagan (.115), Caleb Thielbar (.110)
Win Probability Chart (via FanGraphs)
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The Twins continue to lag early games, unable to manufacture more than a few runs, and struggled when players are on base. Luis Arraez and Gary Sanchez got things going in the top of the second and the third innings, only to be left stranded when batters couldn’t drive them home, which caught up with the Twins in the latter part of the game. 

Carlos Correa, who has not been hot through July and August certainly made up for a slow month driving in two of the three runs, against the Angels. After Reid Detmers had struck out lead-off Byron Buxton, Correa came up to bat and hit a home run to center field to get the Twins their first run of the game. In the fifth inning, Max Kepler, who didn’t get a hit in the game, was walked in the fifth, but thanks to a sac-fly from Correa, Kepler was the second run of the game.

The Twins managed to get one more run on the board in the eighth, when Jorge Polanco, Luis Arraez and Gio Urshela joined forces to manufacture three singles, each one moving Polanco closer to home for the third run. 

Dylan Bundy faced his former team tonight and had a beautiful game. Remaining scoreless through five innings, he threw one of the best games we have seen from him all season. No drama, no mess, just a very well-pitched game before handing the game over to Caleb Thielbar only for the purpose of the lefty-lefty matchup with Shohei Ohtani.  

Thielbar and the bullpen did a great job keeping Ohtani and the Angels off the board, until the end of the eighth inning when Ohtani homered off of Jhoan Duran to give the Angels their first run. 

Buxton started in center field. It was his first back-to-back games in center field since June 8th and 9th. The management, much to the annoyance of Twins fans, have structured his game appearances to allow him to recover, a tactic that clearly is working and his defense is a prime example of why those days off are working.

In the blink of an eye, the Angels came alive and rallied back in the ninth inning. Jorge Lopez had the Angels on the ropes as the inning came to a close with a 2-1 count on Magneuris Sierra. With two on base, Sierra swung at the 94 mph sinker and hit a triple, just out of the dive of Nick Gordon, scoring Jo Adell and Andrew Valesquez to tie the game. Sierra was waved around towards home as Gordon threw the ball to cut-off man Correa who got it home to Gary Sanchez just in time for the out, moving the game to the tenth inning. 

The Twins lacked the ability to get any runs in the tenth inning, leaving the game wide open to the Angels. With runners on first and third, Luis Rengifo hit a sinking line drive into center field. Byron Buxton charged hard, dove and made the fantastic catch. He got up and threw out Ohtani at first base to end the inning. 

The Angels continued to chip away at the Twins pitching before getting a walk-off homerun from Taylor Ward in the bottom of the 11th inning to win the game. A tough loss for the Twins who looked to complete a second straight shutout as late as the eighth inning.

What’s Next?
The Twins finish out their west coast series with the Angels tomorrow and heading back home to face the Kansas City Royals and hope to see former teammate Brent Rooker.

Pitching matchup tomorrow:
Sunday 1:07 pm CST: Chris Archer (2-5, 4.02 ERA)  vs RHP Davidson (1-3, 7.91 ERA)

Postgame Interview

Coming soon.

 

Bullpen Usage Spreadsheet

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Dick Bremer in the bottom of the 11th with Ward at the plate: “Pagan is averaging one and a half strikeouts per inning pitched.”

I turned to my wife and with much sarcasm said: “Yeah, ok, so that’s the good news. The bad news he’s averaging giving up one dinger per inning pitched as well.”

Two pitches later - LOL.

So hard to waste an outing like that by Bundy - he pitched his heart out. Claps for him.

Btw, here’s a riddle. How do you make sure the Twins don’t score a run in an inning? Answer: have them get a man on second with no outs. 

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10 hits, 6 walks, a hit batsman, and 2 ghost runners equal 3 runs.  Take away the solo home run and you have 18 base runners, add in 3 stolen bases, and come out with 2 runs.  Frustrating.

As an aside:  a few days ago I started some talk about why we don't use the IBB more often as part of game strategy in these extra innings situations.  When you are the visiting team and are tied in the bottom of the inning with the ghost runner put at 2nd, the IBB sets up a force at every base and allows more options for the defense and that run doesn't mean anything anyway.   I was answered, for the most part, with the game has changed today and strike outs are the goal, not potential double plays.  Go at the hitters and try for the strike out.  And that appears to be our strategy pretty much throughout this season.  Today, we have the ghost runner on 2nd and the clean up hitter leading off.  Behind him, the bottom 5 of their order is really weak, and setting up a force at every base sounds like a reasonable strategy.  We pitch to the clean up hitter and.........wait for it...........he walks us off.  Now, I know it is easy to look at this in hind sight, but I was wondering, again, in the moment why we weren't doing it tonight.  It is not the first time this year one could question the in game strategy.  Maybe it is just me.  :(  

Alas, our BP appears to be weak tomorrow as well, having used Doran and and Lopez back to back with a fair amount of pitches.  They likely will be considered unavailable, and with Archer not noted for his lengthy starts, the pen is going to be needed again.  Hopefully Archer will put us in as good a shape as Mahle and Bundy did.  

 

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15 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

he’s averaging giving up one dinger per inning pitched as well.”

Two pitches later - LOL.

Well, it's 10 HR over 41 and a third, but it sure as hell feels like it.   😞

15 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

So hard to waste an outing like that by Bundy - he pitched his heart out. Claps for him.

Twins fans should be glad he's here, and at 65 pitches, they should clamor for a sixth inning. This bullpen does not have enough talent in it to get 12 outs every damn day.

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4 hours ago, Mark G said:

As an aside:  a few days ago I started some talk about why we don't use the IBB more often as part of game strategy in these extra innings situations.  When you are the visiting team and are tied in the bottom of the inning with the ghost runner put at 2nd, the IBB sets up a force at every base and allows more options for the defense and that run doesn't mean anything anyway.   I was answered, for the most part, with the game has changed today and strike outs are the goal, not potential double plays. 

That was the answer you presupposed when you asked your question, not the answer you were given. The intentional walk is still very much an available strategy — but it is situation-dependent. You still need to figure out the best way to get 3 outs too, and sometimes that may mean pitching to guys like Jake Cave or Tim Beckham rather than setting up force plays.

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Brutal.

Lopez had Stassi 0-2 and walks him in the 9th.

 If Gordon takes the proper angle, doesn't dive, and cuts that triple off, it's a double and Stassi doesn't score the tying run from 1st.

And as MarkG points out, for the love of everything holy DRIVE IN SOME RUNS. 

Bah-ruu-tull.

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Losing games like last night's - blowing a winnable game in the 9th, wasting scoring opportunities, etc - are the worst kinds of losses in baseball. Every fan has to watch their team blow a game like this once in a while, it's part of the game and part of being a fan. Being a tride-and-true fan means that sometimes the rug gets pulled out from under you, but you come back and live to fight another day.

But with the 2022 Twins this kind of thing happens twice a week. It's not even newsworthy when they blow games like this, it's become so commonplace. 

How much more of this can fans take? At what point does thinking about Gopher football, or Vikings, T-Wolves, or Wild pre-season games become a more rewarding pastime? 

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Kudos to Bundy. Should have went 6 or 7 and quite possibly even more. Will never get the chance with the current Manager who's in love with his imploding bullpen. Offense is what it is, pathetic. Can't get more than 2 guys to hit in the same game when it counts. Archer for 4 innings today and 6 relievers. Use the get-away lineup today and rest Buxton, Correa and Arraez. Gotta stick to the "Plan".

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23 minutes ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

That was the answer you presupposed when you asked your question, not the answer you were given. The intentional walk is still very much an available strategy — but it is situation-dependent. You still need to figure out the best way to get 3 outs too, and sometimes that may mean pitching to guys like Jake Cave or Tim Beckham rather than setting up force plays.

I seem to remember giving two separate situations then, and I surely gave a separate one today.  And the one today involved us issuing the IBB, not the opposition, and using it to pitch to their version of Cave (or at least a lesser batter than the clean up hitter on their team).  More than one person told me going for the strike out is better then, and I am wondering if we felt that way last night.  Either way, it didn't work for them last time, and it didn't work for us last night.  Maybe we should try it now and then.  

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7 minutes ago, Mark G said:

I seem to remember giving two separate situations then, and I surely gave a separate one today.  And the one today involved us issuing the IBB, not the opposition, and using it to pitch to their version of Cave (or at least a lesser batter than the clean up hitter on their team).  More than one person told me going for the strike out is better then, and I am wondering if we felt that way last night.  Either way, it didn't work for them last time, and it didn't work for us last night.  Maybe we should try it now and then.  

Also you have to consider who your pitcher is. The batter is their clean up hitter, a guy that can hit home The batters that came after him are no good, much less likely to hit home runs . Pagan is likely to give a beach ball down the middle that can be a home run. I think the situation was for an IBB. 

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3 minutes ago, Mark G said:

I seem to remember giving two separate situations then, and I surely gave a separate one today.  And the one today involved us issuing the IBB, not the opposition, and using it to pitch to their version of Cave (or at least a lesser batter than the clean up hitter on their team).  More than one person told me going for the strike out is better then, and I am wondering if we felt that way last night.  Either way, it didn't work for them last time, and it didn't work for us last night.  Maybe we should try it now and then.  

Ironically, you started this line of inquiry with the presumption that "analytics" must be to blame somehow, but you're actually advocating a strict analytical approach: look at a chart of average outcomes to determine your strategy.

But teams are using that chart *plus* the circumstances of the actual situation to inform their decision (because no players are perfectly average, they all have different tendencies, etc.). We may not agree with all of their decisions, and they won't work out every time, but let's not pretend that your strict analytical approach would work better every time either.

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2 minutes ago, adjacent said:

Also you have to consider who your pitcher is. The batter is their clean up hitter, a guy that can hit home The batters that came after him are no good, much less likely to hit home runs . Pagan is likely to give a beach ball down the middle that can be a home run. I think the situation was for an IBB. 

Not all cleanup hitters are equal. Outside of April/May 2022, Taylor Ward is a thoroughly average or below average MLB hitter.

If it's too risky to let Pagán face Ward in that situation, perhaps the questionable choice is using Pagán rather than forgoing another intentional walk.

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4 hours ago, VivaBomboRivera! said:

Twins fans should be glad he's here, and at 65 pitches, they should clamor for a sixth inning. This bullpen does not have enough talent in it to get 16 outs every damn day.

I think you could have an aggressive strategy to pull Bundy there -- but not after a game where you aggressively pulled Mahle too.

An extra inning from Mahle on Friday day could have saved Fulmer for Saturday or prevented Durán and López from pitching back-to-back nights. Either of those advantages could have ultimately won the game for us Saturday, without risking the game Friday.

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What a soft soap article this is.  The bottom line is the bullpen blew it AGAIN.  Pagan blew it AGAIN. I believe the bullpen this year is directly responsible for 24 losses.  I'm sure someone could check it out and get the exact number.  The article failed to emphasize Duran gave up a homer.  Yes it just barely cleared the fence but it was a terrible pitch.  Why did Lopez twice have hitters at 0-2 and gave up the tying runs.  Yes you can perhaps blame Gordon for not knocking the ball down but Lopez blew it for the second time in 4 starts.  Pagan?  He was lucky not to lose the game in the 10th due to a nice play by Buxton and poor Angel baserunning.  The claim that managements plan is working with Buxton is clearly a joke.  He is hitting in the low 200s and has struck out in over 34% of his at bats.  Clearly not working.  He's always hurt, his 27 Homer's are the only positive he has going.  What about our great manager?  He's one of the poorest in baseball IMO.  Bottom line if you insist on only allowing starters go 4 or 5 innings you better have a great bullpen not a minor league one like the Twins. Keeping Kepler in the lineup in key situations and in an 0 for 27 slump is foolish. 

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Great job by Bundy which deserved the win over his old team. Leading 3-0 going into the 8th you'd think that Duran/ Lopez would nail down that victory but surprizingly they did not against the lowly Angels (I guess they're human) resulting in a Pagan's appearance.

Great to see Buxton make that great catch & Correa, Arraez, Polanco & Sanchez hitting, yet only producing 3 runs, hope they continue along w/ Buxton to caught on fire for the big push.

Archer has always given his all which has given us quality innings until he runs out of gas. As the season continues I expect constant improvement. Today I expect a repeat of his last game, paired again with Sands in long relief (hope for a repeat performance) & Fulmer to close. That should be good enough for the win if the offense cooperates with a few runs.

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Bullpen blows it again.  Pagan blows it again.  Why is he still on the team?  Twins went o-14 with runners in scoring position.  They struck out 15 times.  We have a manager with very few managing skills.  If his computer and spread sheets weren't available he would have to forfeit the game.  He is totally incapable of in game managing and adjustments.  Pagan should go and Baldelli should go with him.

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The irony is I have a warning point for personal attacks because I sarcastically called Baldelli a made up version of his name. The irony is I like Baldelli. I like him a lot. The Twins did not lose last night because of Baldelli. They lost because in a tight game their best relief pitchers failed. The game was tight because the offense didn't break out. The only complaint worth anything about my favorite manager was pulling Bundy with a low pitch count. I somewhat agree that last night might have been a good time to extend him. On the other hand the last time Mr Baldelli let Bundy go, Bundy got smacked around right quick. Calling for someone to be fired over and over again is soul crushing. 

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Well Lopez has not fixed the BP and Pagan is still the same Mr Excitement that he has been all season.  Bundy pitches really well and we pull him so we can burn some more BP arms- I won't even ask why - it is the Rocco way.  But look at the arms we used up and next Archer goes 4???? Fullmer, Sands, and Megill are the three unused arms left.  

I know many blame the offense - but with a three run lead in the eighth we should have won the game. 

This is the Angels.  Yes they have Ohtani, but 8 out of the 12 batters that they used hit less than 226

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Last night was the 51st, yes 51st, time the twins have scored 3 runs or fewer this season. 45% of their games played. They were top 5 in most offensive categories for most of the first half but that was fool’s gold. There is too much talent offensively for the offense to be this bad for this long. Clutch hitting has been horrific all season. Don’t we have multiple hitting coaches too? Got to think there will be a big shakeup on the coaching staff this off-season.

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I'm with Whitey.  I think Lopez will be just fine.  He's talented.  But Rocco is one of the worst managers I've ever seen due to his complete reliance on HR's to score runs.  He doesn't steal bases.  He doesn't hit and run.  He doesn't bunt.  When he does bunt, his players cannot execute.  Rocco managed teams are incapable of manufacturing runs.  It's why we're so impotent in extra inning situations.  If a team gets that ghost-runner from 2nd to 3rd with one or zero outs it puts incredible pressure on the defense.  Again, Lopez will be fine.  He will bounce back.  Pagan has been an unmitigated disaster.  Just like Colome last year.  Rocco is Rocco.  I'd love to see Paul Molitor come back.  But I know that's not happening.  

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2 hours ago, bighat said:

Losing games like last night's - blowing a winnable game in the 9th, wasting scoring opportunities, etc - are the worst kinds of losses in baseball. Every fan has to watch their team blow a game like this once in a while, it's part of the game and part of being a fan. Being a tride-and-true fan means that sometimes the rug gets pulled out from under you, but you come back and live to fight another day.

But with the 2022 Twins this kind of thing happens twice a week. It's not even newsworthy when they blow games like this, it's become so commonplace. 

How much more of this can fans take? At what point does thinking about Gopher football, or Vikings, T-Wolves, or Wild pre-season games become a more rewarding pastime? 

Last night was it for me.  In spite of paying for MLB Extra Inning package to get Bally Sports North here in the KC area, I'm DONE investing any more time and energy into this team.  Will devote my interest--yes a glutton for punishment---to other endeavors, which include the Vikings.  As a loyal fan for 40+ years, I will move on and hope ( a very dangerous thing) for better results next year.  My life would be so much calmer if I didn't like sports.

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The Twins team I witnessed with excitement and optimism in April and May feels like a distant memory now. They’re just not fun to watch these days. I don’t know if Kepler is still hurt or what, because he’s been awful with the bat. 

Concur with @Aggies7there should be a major shakeup with the supporting coaching staff after the season. 

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It was a very discouraging loss ...

There goes my 10 game winning streak they needed and I wanted ...

As a passionate fan my enthusiasm is waning  ....

No killer instinct in the players approach to hitting  , no motivation from the manager to fire up the team ,,, if the plan isn't working it is  time to change the plan ...  

As the game was getting late and we had a 3-0 lead I was thinking of the three consecutive  shutouts the twins pitched  against Kansas city in 2004 , (  radke  , lohse and Santana  )  , I was getting excited about another possible consecutive shutout  of course with multiple pitchers  , bundy should have been  allowed to pitch further into the game ,,, he bulldogged  ....

What Rocco's spread sheet don't tell him is , the more pitchers you have pitch in the game , the more likely  one or more are going to have a bad night pitching  ...

Tough loss , a really tough loss 

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1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

 not sure I can support this front office. 

If I was the owner , I would be questioning the leadership of this front office and manager , especially with the deadline trades of additions ( which has strengthened the bullpen  ) ...

Coaching has to change  and we know who they are , if no changes,   the front office is in jeopardy of losing their jobs of running operations at the end of 2023 

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