Twins/Padres Finalize Deal: Rogers, Rooker to San Diego for Chris Paddack, Emilio Pagan

[nicksaviking]

2 minutes ago, Sconnie said:

Or go with a 6 man rotation until May 1 and release one of Archer/Bundy depending on who looks least bad 

Yeah, they'll have some time to sort it out especially since none of the starters seem anywhere near to being stretched out yet.

[scottsilvi]

14 minutes ago, CharlieDee said:

Giving up Taylor Rogers for Paddock seems like a bad deal for this 2022 team.  We lose our best reliever and gain a starter who is obviously in decline.  

obviously in decline

lol

[mikelink45]

5 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

As long as they don’t give Pagan any high leverage situations they should be fine. He has performed very poorly in high leverage situations over his career with an OPS against of .841

Who is going to get high leverage?  The BP was coming together, now we have confusion in both SP and RP - what did this solve?  Did Rocco go to the FO and tell them that the pitchers that they signed stunk?  This just pushed Winder further from the rotation and I would take him over any of these others. Fourth OF should be Larnach!

[Chachi]

Pre-emptive trade deadline deal?  Will be interesting to see how the value in return compares to comparable moves in late July.

[2wins87]

3 minutes ago, KFEY93 said:

Its the Minnesota sports team way after all. 

This move seems perfectly calibrated to maybe allow them to get to the playoffs but definitely ensure that they don't win any playoff games.

[Dave Overlund]

18 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Manaea is a free agent next year and this team was not built to win a WS in 2022. Manaea wouldn't have changed that.

I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate, why sign Correa if the goal isn't to win the WS this year? That's why I am so confused about this offseason. 95% of their moves signal an intent to compete in the future, then they sign Correa. It's so odd. 

[jorgenswest]

3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Pagan has been mostly mediocre except the season he spent with the Rays. I'm convinced the Rays were using grip enhancers to cheat, I can't explain their assembly line success with mediocre relievers any other way.

In his one season with the Rays he was a closer for a portion. He doesn’t pitch well with runners on base so coming into a clean inning probably helped. However has trouble with left handed batters so closing isn’t a good fit. I don’t think he is a helpful reliever and one year of control would be better than 2.

[stringer bell]

22 minutes ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

Stringer, are you going to ask for a spellcheck on Paddack?

I might if people are misspelling his name four years from now. 

[Karbo]

Are they thinking 6 man rotation at least to start the season? Obviously, at least to begin with it will be bullpen by committee. There are teams that make it work, and Rocco comes from that environment, so maybe?

[Bradfoot]

17 minutes ago, CharlieDee said:

Giving up Taylor Rogers for Paddock seems like a bad deal for this 2022 team.  We lose our best reliever and gain a starter who is obviously in decline.  

I wouldn't say a 26-year-old pitcher with 300 major league innings is obviously in decline.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I dont like losing Rogers, but you have to give value to get value. The bullpen got worse, but the rotation got better and the floor for the rotation raised, and held onto near ready prospects

overall kinda “meh”

[JDubs]

2 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

This just pushed Winder further from the rotation and I would take him over any of these others.

The Twins used something like 17 starting pitchers last year. This has basically zero impact on Winder's chance of joining the rotation this season.

[2wins87]

26 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Letting the kids pitch this year I guess. Which I guess is what I wanted after they decided not to go after any free agent starters.

How does adding a 6th starter give Balazovic or Winder a shot at more innings though?

[ToddlerHarmon]

Maybe Stashak to the 60-day IL to make room for Garlick?

Also, did anyone notice that we might have 8 starterish pitchers on the MLB roster? Gray, Bundy, Archer, Ryan, Ober, Paddack, Winder, and Duran. They could piggyback as four pairs, and that's the rotation. AFAICT, they are all good candidates to limit workload

[DJL44]

Just now, Dave Overlund said:

I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate, why sign Correa if the goal isn't to win the WS this year? That's why I am so confused about this offseason. 95% of their moves signal an intent to compete in the future, then they sign Correa. It's so odd. 

Why sign the best player in free agency at a position of need to a below market contract? I can't imagine what they were thinking.

Even if the goal is rebuilding they just added the best deadline trade chip in the whole league.

[jorgenswest]

Should Duran be the closer?

[mikelink45]

2 minutes ago, Bradfoot said:

I wouldn't say a 26-year-old pitcher with 300 major league innings is obviously in decline.

Check out his BR page

[Mike Sixel]

32 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

They may as well start looking for teams interested in Correa now. They can’t win with this pen. Why would they want two years of control of Pagan?

Based on what? I think the pen is better than people think...

[AKTwins]

I’m happy Rooker may have more of a chance.  I am mixed about including Rogers on the deal.  Paddock is a worthwhile risk, but not sure about trading Rogers for him.  The PTBN may change my mind.

[mikelink45]

3 minutes ago, JDubs said:

The Twins used something like 17 starting pitchers last year. This has basically zero impact on Winder's chance of joining the rotation this season.

We had that many starters because they weren't any good so I guess we might need that many again.

[clone52]

35 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

They may as well start looking for teams interested in Correa now. They can’t win with this pen. Why would they want two years of control of Pagan?

If they can't win with this Pen, then Taylor Rogers wasn't going to be the savior that allowed them to win with this Pen.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

5 minutes ago, 2wins87 said:

How does adding a 6th starter give Balazovic or Winder a shot at more innings though?

It signals to me that they aren’t satisfied with Archer and Bundy who might have a shorter leash than Happ/Shoemaker 

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Should Duran be the closer?

I think they go committee early and if/when someone grabs hold of it they lock them in more permanently. Guessing it's a bunch of matchup based bullpen usage early on.

[mk]

If this helps the Twins can use less than 16 starting pitchers this year, this will be a success. I'd rather run Paddack out there than the likes of Beau Burrows, Luke Farrell, John Gant, et al.

I hope the options they continue to bring in makes it so the Twins don't need to stick with a Bundy/Archer if they are ineffective for too long as they did with Shoemaker and Happ.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

28 minutes ago, CharlieDee said:

Giving up Taylor Rogers for Paddock seems like a bad deal for this 2022 team.  We lose our best reliever and gain a starter who is obviously in decline.  

He's just a few years into his career... How can you say that he's "obviously in decline"?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

I think they go committee early and if/when someone grabs hold of it they lock them in more permanently. Guessing it's a bunch of matchup based bullpen usage early on.

Agreed, my guess is Alcala and Duffy would be heavy in the mix, but Duran will get some opportunities too

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Dave Overlund said:

I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate, why sign Correa if the goal isn't to win the WS this year? That's why I am so confused about this offseason. 95% of their moves signal an intent to compete in the future, then they sign Correa. It's so odd. 

They knew they had to increase the payroll but they didn't want to make any long term commitments. None of their free agents were long term signings and they never at any point had the starting pitching to do anything more than compete for a wild card spot.

They did way better filling holes than they have in most years, but I never saw any of these moves as an indication that 2022 was THE year.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

(L-R): The Twins bullpen, the Twins front office

 

[ScottyB]

I think initially Alcala, eventually Duran.

[RJA]

Unlike many, I don't mind this deal.  Rooker has not shown anything at the major league level, and certainly was not a highly sought after prospect.  They were going to DFA him anyway, so he is a throw in.  Taylor is a huge loss but for one year as it is doubtful they would have resigned him at the price he will rightfully command.  Paddack is not washed up--his peripherals are not bad, and he is still young and has 3 years of control.  Other teams were also chasing him so more than the Twins saw something in him.  Plus, the Twins have his former manager on staff now who should have some insight.  He will be find as a 5th starter, or maybe a 4th if they can tweak a few things.   It may be the Twins have noticed something in his pitch mix, or think they can coax a little more out of his heater.  Pagan is a good bullpen piece.  Plus, there might be more coming, at least at the deadline if not before.