Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 Five words Twins fans did not want to hear to start this offseason. Jon Heyman has reported that while Trea Turner is obviously open to returning to the premiere Los Angeles team, the Dodgers themselves may be targeting Correa as their number one shortstop free agent. This is terrible news for the Twins, especially coupled with rumors that the Yankees may be sore after their ALCS loss and may also enter the fray for Correa. It's safe to say that if those teams are involved, the Twins' chance of retaining Correa approaches zero. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/dodgers-interested-in-carlos-correa.html View full rumor glunn 1
Doctor Gast Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 I believe that story was leaked by Heyman's buddy Boras. Majority of Dodgers hate Correa, especially the club house. They will keep Trea Turner before they turn to Correa. I believe more than the Dodgers will focus on Judge as priority. NYY also dislike Correa plus they have 2 MLB ready SSs, so why will they sign Correa to a long term deal. And signing Judge has to be high priority. gman, cHawk, Cris E and 6 others 9
Nine of twelve Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 No matter which other teams make offers, it's highly unlikely that the Twins' offer will be the one Correa accepts. D.C Twins, glunn, LA Vikes Fan and 4 others 7
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said: No matter which other teams make offers, it's highly unlikely that the Twins' offer will be the one Correa accepts. I completely agree but if the teams bidding include the Dodgers and/or Yankees, I think the Twins chances drop from “low” to “zero”. The Dodgers in particular can add $20m to an eight year deal without blinking an eye and should the Twins go nuts and match it, the Dodgers could simply add another $20m and not even notice. GKuehl, cHawk, Richie the Rally Goat and 3 others 6
cHawk Community Moderator Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said: I completely agree but if the teams bidding include the Dodgers and/or Yankees, I think the Twins chances drop from “low” to “zero”. The Dodgers in particular can add $20m to an eight year deal without blinking an eye and should the Twins go nuts and match it, the Dodgers could simply add another $20m and not even notice. How I wish MLB had a salary cap... GKuehl, mac098, Rigby and 9 others 12
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, cHawk said: How I wish MLB had a salary cap... How I wish MLB had better revenue sharing... Jerr, Nine of twelve, gil4 and 14 others 17
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 If that’s how things turn out, then Trea Turner is a nice prize to go after as well. 4 quality free agent short stops, and there is no reason the Twins can’t sign one of them. Richie the Rally Goat and TopGunn#22 2
mnfireman Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 The Dodgers have enough money coming off the books to chase quite a few top FA's; Price $16M (Red Sox paid the $16M), Kimbrel $16M, T. Anderson $8M, T. Turner $21M, and Kershaw $17M. J. Turner and Muncy will probably be bought out, saving $25.5M. I don't think it will happen, but they could also not offer Bellinger arbitration, saving at least $17M. Looks like room to re-sign Kershaw and T. Turner, and sign Correa, Judge and Rodon. Not fair!! Nine of twelve, Cris E and Squirrel 3
Parfigliano Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said: If that’s how things turn out, then Trea Turner is a nice prize to go after as well. 4 quality free agent short stops, and there is no reason the Twins can’t sign one of them. I can think of one reason...ownership's unwillingness to spend what another team will to get one. Cris E 1
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said: NYY also dislike Correa plus they have 2 MLB ready SSs, so why will they sign Correa to a long term deal. And signing Judge has to be high priority. You mean... besides "...because he's Carlos Correa", right? chpettit19, Richie the Rally Goat and lukeduke1980 3
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said: I believe that story was leaked by Heyman's buddy Boras. Majority of Dodgers hate Correa, especially the club house. They will keep Trea Turner before they turn to Correa. I believe more than the Dodgers will focus on Judge as priority. NYY also dislike Correa plus they have 2 MLB ready SSs, so why will they sign Correa to a long term deal. And signing Judge has to be high priority. I thought WE had two MLB ready SSs. (Lewis & Martin) Or was it 4? (Lee & Miller) TwinsDr2021 and solomon1930 1 1
CRF Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 This has the makings of a smoke-screen move by Boras. It's probably nothing. I don't think I'd put a whole lot of stock in it for now...it's way too early for that. If I was LA, I'd much rather find a way to keep Turner, than sign CC. Don't get me wrong...I do think that CC is a goner, but not to LA. LA Vikes Fan, dex8425 and Nine of twelve 3
RpR Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 11 hours ago, dxpavelka said: I thought WE had two MLB ready SSs. (Lewis & Martin) Or was it 4? (Lee & Miller) We have wishful thinking players who can play SS; about as far from ready as the Twins are from the World Series. Vanimal46 1
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 It is interesting to me to see the Dodgers win all those regular season games, sign all those high priced free agents, and still they have been there twice in the last five years. and they have won once since the Twins last championship in 1991. Will Correa make the difference - he led us to a 481 pct. Not his fault, but baseball is complex. I do wonder what they do need. They have been there 3 times since 1991, but only won once. The wish lists and desires of fans aside, trying to make the right decisions are really difficult. Richie the Rally Goat, jun and RpR 3
Twins GFP Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 HOT TAKE! [Insert team here] is showing interest in signing Carlos Correa! Updates to follow! Nine of twelve, Riverbrian, D.C Twins and 2 others 3 2
WilliesWorld24 Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) We have 0 MLB-ready SS in the system. Lee won’t stay on SS. Even Royce coming back at 100% - he will not stay at SS (3B, 2B or OF). Martin is not a SS. The FO likely has come to this conclusion. We will need to sign or trade for a premium SS - or we are not serious about contending in the foreseeable future. Edited October 30, 2022 by WilliesWorld24 Was not finished RpR 1
gman Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 If we sign a shortstop, I'd prefer Turner over Correa. Let the Twins and Dodgers swap free agent shortstops. unfortunately it is more likely that the Dodgers wind up with both.
weitz41 Verified Member Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 What I'm curious about is...Was Scott Boras wearing a Dodgers jersey or baseball cap when he was leaking that to Heyman?
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, weitz41 said: What I'm curious about is...Was Scott Boras wearing a Dodgers jersey or baseball cap when he was leaking that to Heyman? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Boras represents Correa, Turner and Bogaerts. So if Boras is playing the Dodgers card with Correa... What Card does he play with Turner? Brandon 1
mnfireman Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, Riverbrian said: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Boras represents Correa, Turner and Bogaerts. So if Boras is playing the Dodgers card with Correa... What Card does he play with Turner? Bogaerts and Correa. Turner is represented by CAA. Riverbrian 1
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 11 hours ago, RpR said: We have wishful thinking players who can play SS; about as far from ready as the Twins are from the World Series. Sarcasm. 101. Learn it dude. Actually, though, if they had 4 MLB ready SS they wouldn't be that far from the World Series. solomon1930 1
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 9:57 PM, Parfigliano said: I can think of one reason...ownership's unwillingness to spend what another team will to get one. Is it an "unwillingness" to spend when another team has literally twice the revenue? If you don't have it, wouldn't that be an inability rather than an unwillingness. Are you unwilling to spend the money for a $5M home (assuming you don't live in one) or are you unable to buy a $5M home. I am surprised this type of statement is repeated so often when we know several other teams have far greater financial means which translate to an ABILITY. IndianaTwin and terrydactyls 2
Squirrel Community Moderator Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Major League Ready said: Is it an "unwillingness" to spend when another team has literally twice the revenue? If you don't have it, wouldn't that be an inability rather than an unwillingness. Are you unwilling to spend the money for a $5M home (assuming you don't live in one) or are you unable to buy a $5M home. I am surprised this type of statement is repeated so often when we know several other teams have far greater financial means which translate to an ABILITY. When your owner is one of the wealthiest of baseball owners (I think he's 8th?) and has a couple billion dollars, there is no reason he can't 'go for it' once in a while. I do agree that our revenue streams aren't the same as the Dodgers or Yankees, not even close, and we do have to operate with more caution, but we aren't the worst, either. So, I get why we can't have a team full of stars and 'ace' pitching, and why development is so important (development that has yet to show itself in its pitching, btw), but there IS money and flexibility to make a single, splash signing or two (I'm looking at Correa and Rodon). And now is the time to do that while we have quite a few 'youngsters' under team control for a bit. On top of that, our TV deal is done after next season and it will be time to renegotiate. Not sure what the Twins will get but I'm sure it will put them in a bit better position. So, there is some room to outbid the Dodgers on ONE player, especially at al position of high need, and it won't be detrimental to the whole team or in the long run, imo. chinmusic, TwinsDr2021, solomon1930 and 5 others 7 1
RJA Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 The one saving grace if the Dodgers land Correa and/or Judge is that they probably still won't win the Series :).
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 52 minutes ago, Squirrel said: When your owner is one of the wealthiest of baseball owners (I think he's 8th?) and has a couple billion dollars, there is no reason he can't 'go for it' once in a while. I do agree that our revenue streams aren't the same as the Dodgers or Yankees, not even close, and we do have to operate with more caution, but we aren't the worst, either. So, I get why we can't have a team full of stars and 'ace' pitching, and why development is so important (development that has yet to show itself in its pitching, btw), but there IS money and flexibility to make a single, splash signing or two (I'm looking at Correa and Rodon). And now is the time to do that while we have quite a few 'youngsters' under team control for a bit. On top of that, our TV deal is done after next season and it will be time to renegotiate. Not sure what the Twins will get but I'm sure it will put them in a bit better position. So, there is some room to outbid the Dodgers on ONE player, especially at al position of high need, and it won't be detrimental to the whole team or in the long run, imo. I have been saying the same thing because the current roster is full of low-cost players. The distinction is that we have not been in this position in as long as I can remember. We are positioned right now. This argument is made every year. The fact is that there are many teams with far more money. They can afford to pay twice as much per WAR. I use WAR to just to illustrate a measure. A small or mid market team spending that much is simply not an efficient use of payroll and very likely diminishes the chances of putting together and/or sustaining a dominant roster. That's why it's so rare for ANY team to spend in this way. The whole it's a Twin's cheapness thing ignores the fact that none of the other teams with equal or less revenue acquires the highest regarded FAs. Just to reiterate. I happen to agree with you that this is the time. However, that opinion is based on the fact that we have not been nearly so well positioned in terms of inexpensive talent in a long time. Most of the time, spending on a big name free agent pitcher would have a high probability of sinking the team for multiple years and history is quite clear on this point.
mac098 Verified Member Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 I mean c'mon. We all had to see this coming. Teams who don't care about the CBT will go over to win anything. They don't care how many draft picks they give up to win. They have shown time and time again that winning is the only thing matters (look at the Padres for example). AND they are willing to sign the BEST to win. The thing hurting the Twins is our market size, the owner's/FO unwillingness to go out and spend, and that their fan base is dying due to poor broadcast rights. MN sports teams are in a complicated place because of BNS. Also, with at least 5 states that could "potentially" get the game, whose fans are subject to blackouts, the Twins are constantly at a disadvantage compared to others. So if anything is rumored about Correa, you gotta take it with a grain of salt because its headlines and headlines sell media.
nicksaviking Community Moderator Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 I believe in the Yankees interest, despite the prospects they have coming up; that team is in desperation mode. I don't believe LA as much. They seem to really like 'their guys' and I'd guess they'd rather retain Turner. I do want Correa back, but of the four free agent shortstops, he does seem like the one who'd be most resistant to moving off of SS when that inevitable time comes. And that time is probably coming sooner rather than later for all of them. If you could get one of the others at 2/3rd the price with the understanding that SS isn't their forever home, that might work out pretty well in the long run. TiberTwins and Richie the Rally Goat 2
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted October 31, 2022 Author Posted October 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, nicksaviking said: I believe in the Yankees interest, despite the prospects they have coming up; that team is in desperation mode. I don't believe LA as much. They seem to really like 'their guys' and I'd guess they'd rather retain Turner. Remember just a year ago they had Corey Seager and appeared to make little to no effort to retain him, if I'm recalling correctly. Danchat 1
nicksaviking Community Moderator Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said: Remember just a year ago they had Corey Seager and appeared to make little to no effort to retain him, if I'm recalling correctly. They did, but I think that's because they already had Turner and didn't plan on giving two big contracts to two shortstops. In any case, I'd have to think that if there's any indecision on whom to pursue, they'd prefer the shortstop(s) that their fanbase doesn't constantly boo and berate.
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