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If you found that research... I would love to see it. It has to be out there somewhere. I've been tracking game by game this year for other purposes... but still tracking. These of course are entire game run totals per starter. So bullpen will obviously be of influences but we scored some runs on the solid names and been shut down by some not so famous names. I have no conclusions drawn. KYLE BRADISH R 4 SHANE BAZ R 6 JOE BOYLE R 10 NICK MARTINEZ R 1 CASEY MIZE R 7 RYAN FLAHERTY R 3 MAX SCHERZER R 8 SONNY GRAY R 6 BRADY SINGER R 4 NOLAN MCLEAN R 5 CLAY HOLMES R 2 CHRISTIAN SCOTT R 8 DREW RASMUSSEN R 2 JAX/SCHULTENS R 2 LUIS CASTILLO R 11 LOGAN GILBERT R 1 GEORGE KIRBY R 3 KEVIN GAUSMAN R 7 DYLAN CEASE R 4 TREY YESAVAGE R 4 CADE CAVALLI R 11 MILES MIKOLAS R 2 JAKE IRVIN R 5 TANNER BIBEE R 2 GAVIN WILLIAMS R 5 EURY PEREZ R 3 MAX MAYER R 5 COLEMAN CROW R 2 LOGAN HENDERSON R 1 TATSUYI IMAI R 6 JASON ALEXANDER R 1 MIKE BURROWS R 4 TREVOR ROGERS L 1 KRIS BUBIC L 1 NOE CAMERON L 9 COLE RAGANS L 5 STEVEN MATZ L 1 TARIK SKUBAL L 4 FRAMBER VALDEZ L 8 PATRICK CORBIN L 4 ERIC LAUER L 7 GARRETT CROCHET L 13 CONNELLY EARLY L 5 BEN WILLIAMSON L 1 ANDREW ABBOTT L 4 SHANE MCLANAHAN L 1 PATRICK CORBIN L 3 PARKER MESSICK L 4 BRAXTON GARRETT L 9 ROBERT GASSER L 5 PAYTON TOLLE L 8

The Dodgers have had the same issues. Even for those with money falling out of their pockets... the process is still hard. James Outman for example. The Dodgers believed in him. The Dodgers didn't have to go with a young Outman.. they could have traded for a CF... signed a CF... they are the Dodgers... they have resources to go almost anywhere and they chose Outman. They chose him on purpose to be the Opening day 2024 CF. They forsake all of the others and chose Outman. and they missed... missed on Lux as well. You are correct. The Dodgers can buy Kyle Tucker. The Twins can't. The Dodgers have the money to pave over Outman and Lux mistakes. The Twins don't have the money and because they don't... a Royce Lewis sized missed calculation leads to the utilization of guys that most folks refer to as bench or role players. The Dodgers sign Tucker, The Twins sign at the other end of the spectrum. They can't win the free agent game... they can't. They shouldn't even try. They need to win the mitigation of mistakes game and there is only one way to mitigate these mistakes because they are too hard to avoid.

Last Game Left Handed Starter May 22 - Payton Tolle - Won - 8 Runs Scored Lineup Composition: 6 RH - 2 Switch - 1 Left Season Record vs LH Starters: 8-11 Season Average Runs Scored: 4.89 ------------------------------------------------------------- Season Accumulated Stats vs Right Handed Starters Season Record vs RH Starters 16-16 Season Average Runs Scored vs RH starters: 4.50

The hard part is reaching 155 PA's.

I agree... I am also a little down on the organization. However... something that needs to be factored in. A guy like Kreidler. Typically doesn't get a chance to turn the corner at this point in their career and if you don't get the chance... that will be a major factor in "not very often". Guys like Kriedler typically get a handful of AB's out of necessity and regardless if they go for 3 for 10 or 0 for 10 they are back out when the injured guy gets back. Kriedler just might be in the right place at the right time where opportunity lands at his feet. I'll join you and cheer him on. I think he should play as long as he's hitting.

Agreed... There are many options. One thing though... I think it was String who mentioned it in a different post and I know String watches this type of stuff. The 40 man roster is 20 Hitters - 20 Pitchers. Most teams will be a little higher on the pitching side. The majority of the low hanging fruit is on the pitching side and they will need those roster spots for the experimentation that the bullpen is going to need. On the hitting side... It's Gray, Arcia, Kriedler and Outman as the leading candidates for a DFA. In my opinion... our infield depth looks a little like our bullpen depth so a DFA of Gray, Arcia or Kriedler is... well... Scary despite our expectations of them. If Culpepper is called up... that's it... Lewis and Culpepper our infield options. Cut Gray add Culpepper. Man... you really starting getting down into... scary land. So we are back to Outman. And... this discussion is just different if we are talking about a paternity leave or DFA'ing Outman or someone else. I look forward to seeing Ggon play. I really hope he plays tonight.

You are right. Coaching can't make me hit .300 at the MLB level. I don't have the tools. Players need tools. Right now... We got a player that basically hasn't hit previously that is all of a sudden going through a small sample stretch of some real nice hitting. He's done it for 113 PA's in AAA and 32 PA's in MLB. Can he keep going? I know that the Twinsdaily community doubts that he will. I wouldn't bet on Juan Soto to maintain a 1.000 plus OPS pace so I'm sure the numbers will come down. But the question that I ask. Why is out of the question that maybe he closed a hole in his swing. Found something that was holding him back and fixed it. Right now... I choose to pat him on the back and say way to go instead of dragging his past into the light. If a player is hitting... let him keep hitting.

If players can't improve. If players can't adjust, if players can't fix things during the course of their career. Why have coaches? Coaches would be powerless because players can't improve so what's the point. What good is video analysis? Advanced tracking technology? No sense even trying... we can send the equipment back and save the money because players can't or won't get better so lets put the equipment in a garage sale and lets just rely on past stats. Is there any reason for Kriedler to get up in the morning and show up to work. Kriedler doesn't need coaching because coaching will just bounce of his 2024 numbers and lay shattered on the floor. He has had a nice 145 plate appearances in AAA and the majors this year. Yeah I know... he will revert back to a pumpkin so we should probably greet that success with insults. It's a tough call... We can send him up to the plate again or just keep the sample small and meaningless.

Yes... I don't necessarily believe that trading Joe Ryan takes you out of contention. As much as I complain about predetermination. Predetermination is what front offices are paid to do. It can't be avoided. They have to use predetermination to staff the roster there is really no other way to do it. Once they staff the roster... that's when I'd like the predetermination to take a back seat. Predetermination on a competitiveness. That has multiple things to consider. Talent is the only thing that you use to make that assessment. Budget is another. Maybe you feel you are contention but there is nothing left in the budget so the budget trumps the talent question. Also keep in mind... I don't believe that a commitment to youth means the team is not capable of making the playoffs. I was watching in 87 and 91 and I saw what happened when a team simply made the playoffs. So even if I advocate trading Joe Ryan... doesn't mean I think its over. I'm trading Joe Ryan because I don't think this bullpen will get the job done and I know that money is a problem. So let's bring in cheaper talent and let's see what happens.

This section is interesting. Ultimately it goes back to value and where the team is regards to contention. Joe Ryan has two years left and his value is really really high. I don't believe the team is really in contention so I cash in Ryan and get some serious talent back. In the case of Larnach who has two years left. He could improve that value and his return wouldn't be as high so I hang on to him. Now if the team is in serious contention. You keep Ryan and you don't trade him. You consider trading Larnach if you can find a player that will be better than he has been because you are built... you need those pieces to bring you home. No matter what though... You have to produce value so you have a Joe Ryan pitching for you at 6 million or Joe Ryan to trade for another Walker Jenkins like talent. The Twins and I disagree on where the team is at on the contention front.

As usual. Interesting thoughts. There isn't one size fits all in terms of development that's why the tap needs to keep flowing. As you mentioned... you also have to consider that not every developing player needs to be become Juan Soto to be considered a success. If you develop just an average ol' Ernie Clement type player... that's also a win. Then you have the Keaschall and Juliens of the world. Come out like a house on fire for half a season only to be not so on fire in the 2nd year. Byron Buxton got his clock started at age 21 and besides the health issues we didn't really see what Buxton could do until age 25. The year before that in 2018 in his age 24 season he was ... well... a lot like what we are seeing out of Wallner and Lewis right now. I'm so grateful that Byron was willing to sign a longer term deal so he could remain on a Twin because you start that clock... you burn through options and you eventually run out of time and we are heading toward that Royce Lewis crash at full speed. To me... Development is all about value. I don't want my prospects stripped mined for parts because it puts a cap on their potential value. The goal is to develop their value to the point that if you do trade them that they can return talented players in return or they take that upper level value and simply put it on display in a Twins uniform. Be it a Juan Soto type player or an Ernie Clement type player. When I think about prospects and service time. I always see a chronological pecking order due to that ticking clock. It's ticking pretty loudly when I look at Erod right now. Erod needs to be called up before Jenkins regardless of how Jenkins is performing in comparison. The organization can believe that Jenkins is twice the player that Erod is and bump Jenkins to the front of the line accordingly but that doesn't mean that Erod doesn't have major league value as an average player if that's what he can achieve. This would make Erod the priority in my mind because of you don't have anymore time. You raise excellent thoughts for consideration. It's tough to answer with so much unknown. The only thing that I am reasonably sure of. It is going to drive me crazy when they call up a player and make him watch some player struggling... just wasting that development time... just letting that clock turn and those options burn. I still haven't recovered from making Jair Camargo watch Vazquez produce a .575 OPS. BTW... Pereda. Home Run last night for Seattle.

You are going on ignore. Don't respond to my posts. I will tear you to pieces if you do.

If it was my decision. I'm committing to youth. I'm all for running some AAA options through the filter. I see no purpose in hanging on to an older player who is OPS'ing in the 600's. This team needs to develop... the lack of development is why Gray is here... it's why Kreidler is here... Although Kreidler is looking really good right now. Who knew. This discussion replacing Outman or Gray on the 40 man roster is a much different discussion than a paternity leave fill in. I believe String was asking about who is that temporary fill in but only String can confirm that.

This can tie together with other points but it's really a separate thought from the executive failure rate across baseball. It's the one year deal that I complain about. No matter how the player performs for us... the player won't be back. It was never anything personal against Bader, France, Santana or Margot for that matter. I remember you saying that we are going to like Bader. You were right... I really enjoyed watching Bader play for the Twins. Bader wasn't going to be back the next year and that was my issue with Bader and it's still my issue with Bader. It's my opinion that the Twins have to turn the development faucet on... because we don't have the budget to make free agency work for us. We need to get into the better end of the free agent pool and we won't get there draining our budget year after year with lower value free agents eating the majority of the budget. I thought Santana had a nice year. I was a big fan of Solono. I hated Margot and I didn't like France but none of that matters to me. If they were good of they were bad... they would not be back the following year and we need longer term solutions... we need to develop better than we are developing. My complaint about these players was the need for these players. A need that developed because of the lack of development. The filling of the same hole every year. Over and over again. In the end... Bader might have become an important acquisition despite my objections because he played well enough to bring back Henry Mendez in a trade. If Henry works out... Bader was not a short term fix... he became a longer term fix. I see that... I get that. Things are not black and white with me... they are not either or.

I agree. You start his clock when he is the best option you have. Just not for paternity leave. Weather it's Gray or Outman that is cut so Culpepper can arrive... it's the same concept. You start Culpepper's clock when he is being handed a MLB job and he's going to stay awhile. If Gray and Outman are not going anywhere and this is paternity temporary thing. Mendez and Gonzales are the choices. In my own personal opinion. Fedko is the guy I'd like to see get a legit opportunity right now. Power, Speed multiple positions and growing longer in the tooth and therefore running out of time.

OK... if you believe that. We have common ground and we don't need to insult each other. You don't have to throw "straw men" at me. The Next question. How do you fix this problem that occurs with all 30 teams. If all teams get it wrong from time to time and we agree that they do. How do you fix it? Is it impossible to fix? Should all teams just accept it and take the consequences of these missed assessments? I'm not asking the question in an insulting nature. It's not an easy answer but it's an easy question. How can any organization minimize this problem of players not meeting expectation and in some cases like Wallner and Lewis... not meeting expectation by performing at such a basement level that Tristan Gray is actually the better player.

Probably true But, it will bleed down to the next roster move and the next. I'd love to take a look at Culpepper but that discussion shouldn't be for a temporary paternity leave. That's an option in regards to it's time to cut Gray and roll with Culpepper. Otherwise... Let's not start his clock for paternity leave.

I'm not mad... I'm not even saying that the Twins handled it wrong. I just rather not deal with you. My issue is with you... it's always been with you. I've gone over this way too much with you. You are not worth the effort. Answer the question... it's one question. Did they get it wrong in regards to Wallner and Lewis, Did they get it wrong in regards to Miranda and many others. Did the Mets get it wrong with certain players. Do all 30 teams get it wrong from time to time... not just the Twins... get it wrong from time to time. If you agree that they they do get it wrong... we will find some common ground and maybe move forward from there. We won't find common ground if you are just going to throw elementary stuff at me like They predetermined and they post determined. I'm aware what they predetermined and post determined. If you are going to throw TOPA into the 3B discussion... you are just being an ass and I'd rather not deal with you. If you don't think I don't know where Austin Martin totals are... you are not worth my time. I know the current numbers are... I know where they were in April. If that's all you got. You got nothing. Just answer the question... or shut up.

I actually meant the corner of the dugout. 😉

That would be up to Shelton. I don't have an opinion on his defensive abilities. I really don't have an opinion on his offensive abilities either but if they call him up for the weekend... I'd like to see him get a look at some major league pitching. Some AB's that he can put in his development bank and take back with him to AAA. Mainly... in regards to Stringers excellent question. I'd rather not make a 40 man maneuver for a weekend and based upon the choices of players on the 40 man. Mendez is swinging the best at this moment but the choice is really him or Gonzalez. It's too soon to call Lewis or Wallner back. Just don't... they earn their way back. Erod and Roden are hurt. Now Gonzalez... he has been an extreme home run or nothing guy. 8 Homeruns and Low OPS takes a lot of nothing when he's not homering. Although... the past 7 days... Ggon has been hitting the baseball with a 11% K Rate. If he has turned a corner... got himself to stop chasing... I wouldn't be opposed to Ggon getting the call over Mendez. Either way... if it's Ggon or Hmen... that's fine. I'd rather they get a taste of major league pitching during their visit for their development. Take 8 PA's and let them see what they have to be able to hit and take that back to St. Paul for more development when Tristan returns. If Mendez is the DH. That's easily done. Bell at 1B, Larnach at LF and Caratini at C leaves DH open. Now... if making a 40 man maneuver is an option. Fedko has my interest because of his combination of Speed and Power. I just wouldn't adjust the 40 man for a paternity leave.

Boston this weekend. Tolle, Bello and Gray so left, right , right. The Red Sox also have a left handed closer to consider. Mendez is the hottest player right now out of those on the 40 man. Mendez is the guy and I would start him against Bello and Gray. I wouldn't stuff him in a corner. I wouldn't add to the 40 man for a paternity absence. Congrats to Tristan.

Again... I'm not making declarative statements in regards to Outman and Kreidler. Just pointing out what has transpired in a small sample size. I'm sure everybody believes that Outman and Kriedler will regress back to the land they come from. I won't argue those opinions. I'm just pointing out. James Outman after 36 terrible sporadic AB's over the first 43 games of the year. He has recently been handed every day opportunity with the injury to Byron Buxton and his recovery. The world was expected to come to an end. It hasn't. While batting 9th for 6 straight starts... James Outman hasn't hurt us. His strikeouts are still too high but for 6 games... He's playing decent defense and he has a small sample .318 on base with a .476 slug. He hasn't hurt us. Ryan Kriedler has also not hurt us with his 27 AB's with a small sample OPS over one thousand.

Last Game Right Handed Starter May 20 - Mike Burrows - Won - 4 Runs Scored Lineup composition: 3 RH 2 Switch 4 LH Season Record vs RH Starters: 16-16 Season Average Runs Scored vs RH Starters 4.50 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Accumulated Stats vs LH Starters Season Record vs LH Starters: 7-11 Season Average Runs Scored vs LH Starters: 4.72

"Predetermination is a range of expected player production based on track record and skill set". Nice job with a definition... you feckless 1st grader. Just stop with your elementary points. Step up your game and quit being stupid. In regards to Wallner and Lewis... was the Twins front office correct in it's predetermination? Did the March, April and May performance of Wallner and Lewis match the predetermined expectation? Did they miss by a little or a lot? Just answer this question and this question only. Did the front office get it right? That's it... don't try to figure anything else out. You don't have the ability and those who give you a thumbs up don't have the ability to move beyond that point. So just keep it simple. Did the front office get Wallner and Lewis right. One last thing. Don't look up AB's on May 21 to make your belligerent points. It's incredibly elementary. Anybody who was been paying attention understand that Martin and Larnach were platoon partners while Wallner played every day. Predetermined roles coming out of spring training. WAS THE FRONT OFFICE CORRECT OR WERE THEY WRONG ON LEWIS AND WALLNER! Do you understand that question or do I have to speak 1st grade to you?

Last Game Right Handed Starter May 19 - Jason Alexander - Loss - 1 Run Scored Lineup Composition: 2 RH 3 Switch 4 LH Season Record vs RH Starters: 15-16 Season Average Runs Scored vs RH Starters: 4.52 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Accumulated Stats vs LH Starters Season Record vs LH Starters: 7-11 Season Average Runs Scored vs LH Starters: 4.72