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You might be right that Wallner would not have caught that ball and, yes, you are taught to keep that ball in front of you. But it's not like Miguel Sano was playing RF. As soon as that ball landed it was very obvious that it wasn't going anywhere. As an experienced big league right fielder you gotta read that and have a sense about it. This is the same guy that earlier in the year we saw not only misplay a ball but actually KICK one. It might well be true that Wallner would not have caught that ball. BUT, there is a very distinct possibility that someone else might or would have and maybe it's time for someone else to get that shot.

I'm not comparing Wallner to any of those guys. I'm saying they are right handed hitting corner outfielders who could be on the trading block at some point in the next four months. And that we should be doing every thing we can to acquire at least one right handed hitting corner outfielder so that at some point, when (ok, IF) Rodriguez and Jenkins get here we don't have to use both of them against some of the tougher left handed pitching.

As far as Martin goes, if it ain't broke, don't break it. As far as Larnach / Wallner go, every plate appearance they get is one that Rodgriguez / Jenkins / Gonzalez don't get. Which set of guys is going to lead you back to contention, the one that hasn't or the one that hasn't, YET?

I think either one would fetch a RH hitting OF capable of making a couple of starts a week. Not expecting a closer or even a high leverage reliever. Just need to find the right team that needs left handing corner outfield help. Astros (Jake Meyers); Phillies (Adolis Garcia); Pirates (Bryan Reynolds if they wanna open the checkbook) all fit the profile.

We've already got a handful of DHs. What's a few more?

Hope is not a strategy that successful teams are built on. Depth is. Half dozen middle infield types among the Twins top 30 prospects is comforting in that regard. No more than one of them likely to be ready in the next year gives him time to work things out. Here's "hoping" he does.

get him here. trade Wallner or Larnach for a right handed compliment for when we don't want to have both Rodriguez and Jenkins face a tough lefty.

Easy to SAY that choosing an aggressive payroll strategy adds to franchise value. More difficult to PROVE that. The Padres are an interesting story. They are the closest of any team in MLB to break even. Not making money, not losing money. As fans is selling the team for the most money what we REALLY want? I thought we wanted entertaining and contending baseball. A funny thing happens when someone overpays for an asset. I worked for company once that got sold for more money than it was worth. As the seller told me (and keep in mind this was 30 years ago): If your house is worth a hundred thousand dollars and someone offers you a hundred fifty thousand dollars you sell and go buy a very nice house for a hundred twenty five thousand. I lasted four months working for the new owner that overpaid. He cut every corner he could because the underlying asset was only capable of generating revenue to make payments to the bank at a level that the property simply was not capable of generating. He overpaid because he saw a well run entity that was generating a return equal to its value. He thought he could return more by cutting at the edges. He couldn't. I left as soon as this became clear. Let's see what happens in the next half decade in San Diego. Do you think the new owner will come in with bottomless pockets and spend at the same level as the Dodgers and Yankees? Do you think that if the Pohlads had or ever sell that would happen? I'm old enough to remember when this conversation locally centered around the seller being Calvin Griffith and the buyer being Pohlhad. Fans were ecstatic that that penny pinching bastard was gone. We were rewarded with two parades in fairly short order. Do you know who the first team to sign a player to a contract paying $3 million per year was? Do you know who the first team to sign a player to a contract paying $6 million per year was? Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. The first contract ushered in an era that included the second Series win. The second contract ushered in an era of Twins baseball nearly unmatched in terms of futility. Yes, there are teams that spend like drunken sailors. Some win, some not so much. The Dodgers have been winning lately. (Doesn't hurt that they get away with gaming the system.) The Yankees SEEM to win but in reality they don't have a ring since before Barack Obama didn't have gray hair. The Mets? Clown show. Phillies? Closer to the Mets and Yankees than Dodgers. Sure the Twins might get sold someday to someone who spends more. Might not bring the results everyone wants.

With so many guys waiting in the wings (Jenkins, Rodriguez, Gonzalez, Culpepper, Mendez) some decisions are going to have to be made about guys currently part of the LH hitting log jam at the big league level. Hopefully some of the answers will involve trades. Hopefully some of said trades will net players who can hit left handed pitching. These may end up being prospects but so be it. The other way, if the team wants to change the way it historically does business, might involve taking on short term contracts that might cost some money. Names to consider: Christian Walker, Randy Arozerana, Bryan Reynolds, Yandy Diaz, Jazz Chisholm, Alec Bohm, Jarren Duran, Adley Rutschman, Ryan Mountcastle, Jo Adell, Jake Burger, Brenton Doyle, Ozzie Albies, Josh Jung. These are all guys who could be moved by teams looking to get MORE left handed while we are looking for the opposite, The other unconventional solution might be trading our some of our prospects for other teams right handed hitting prospects. Would the Phillies part with Aiden Miller? Maybe, but the cost would probably be Culpepper or Jenkins so probably a non starter. Ryan Waldschmidt of Arizona is a possibility. Angel Genao of the Indians but again probably at a cost of Culpepper so no gain there. Joshua Baez of the Cardinals would probably cost you Emma. These are all unconventional and potentially painful sounding types of moves but let's be honest, conventional is how we got into this situation and is probably not how we're going to get out of it.

Nobody really ever accurately predicts trades unless the horse is already out of the barn and EVERYBODY is getting it right.

Been saying this for about two years.

AND Connor Prielipp is waiting in St. Paul and Andrew Morris is waiting in the bullpen. Hopefully Zebby gets right, Kendry Rojas gets stretched out and Festa gets healthy.

To Matt Strahm's point, the system as ALREADY redefined what counts as a strike. Look at the box (both the ABS box AND the box that's been on your television screen for years). Then pull out the rule book and look at what the rule is about the strike zone. The top of the strike zone is supposed to be the mid point between the top of the batter's shoulders and his belt or waist line. The top of that box is seldom above the belt. I hate to come down on the side of the batters OR the pitchers but pitchers have been getting squeezed out of the top six inches of the strike zone for a long time.

So the "problem" might not actually be a problem. Seems like that happens a lot around these parts.

seems like the two go hand in hand

We've got all these kids in the minors that we want to see and see get playing time but we're fine with getting rid of a guy but don't want him replaced with a guy that we want to get playing time? Weird. I get it but we gotta see the kids play at the big league level. Unless we think that that Martins, Larnachs and Wallners of the world are not only the present but also the future we need to see the kids.

Let's put Sano in the grass..........

I understand the skepticism of what happened at the deadline. But, realistically, how many of the guys they moved would have been back this year and would have been part of any future contending version of this team? Jax? His current implosion was foreshadowed by his off field implosion just prior to moving him. Timing appears right on that one. He had to go. The only two that are probably regrettable are Duran and Varland. And the return for them may well prove to make those worthwhile moves. Yes, I know, nothing is set in stone when it comes to young players. You know, there's a lot of talent on this club, Charlie. The veterans are starting to play back to form, and the rookies are developing faster than I thought; there's two or three potential All-Stars in there. I think we're a contender, right now.

Understand. But that's not really the point. The point is one potential way these things can go. A cautionary tale. If it's the right move I hope we do it in some of these situations. Just that one nagging question.

Jon Singleton, Houston Astros, 2014: 5 years $10 million before his MLB debut. 12 years later: 160 career hits.

Just a thought: Let's not "wish" him into wanting to leave. Even if it might bring something in return. Some things are best left where they are.

I will agree. That Larnach's value is quite evident. At this point. As mentioned in 16 (now 20) PA. As mentioned, a very very small sample size. If his production remains anywhere near it's current level by the time there is a zero behind his 20 PA I MIGHT be somewhat sold. If that bump is resulting in any or all of Walker, Rodriguez or Gonzalez continuing to wear the word Saints across their chest, probably not so much.

I wouldn't say the the TWINS have maximized anything. I would saythat Larnach has performed. What would be more "Twins" than moving him now and having him perform up to career long expectations at his next destination. Worth noting, in 60% of the career plate appearances of the guy he replaced (Rosario) he has roughly 27% of the WAR Rosario had as a Twin. We've never adequately replace Rosario. Hope like hell the next round of attempts does so. Looking at you Rodriguez and / or Gonzalez.

Not sure how Emma / Roden replaces Larnach / Clemens unless one of them has learned to play the infield in the last week. Someone over the weekend floated Culpepper at SS ,slide Lee to the corner and move Lewis across to 1B. Been calling for that for about a year and a half. That would decrease the need to have a Clemens on the roster. I want to see all of Jenkins, Culpepper, Rodriguez (and probably Gonzalez & Prielipp) get major playing time this year as well and as much sense as it makes the corresponding blood letting, while fans SHOULD cheer for it, many will jeer it as an extension of last year's trade deadline moves.

Pretty sure I do. The only question is where do YOU fall on the spectrum?