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    Cody Christie

    For most of the season, fans have wondered if Carlos Correa would opt out of his unique Twins contract. His message on Thursday points to a clear decision already in his mind.

     

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    There were many reasons why the Twins were able to sign Carlos Correa. Minnesota freed up salary space by dumping Josh Donaldson's contract on the Yankees. The front office also hadn't made any major free agent signings, so there was still payroll flexibility. And that was just the beginning of the Correa free agent puzzle. 

    Correa's new agent, Scott Boras, didn't want to split his major contract with his previous representatives. His free agent market didn't develop exactly as planned, and he was young to reach free agency, so pushing his major contract one year shouldn't hurt his long-term value. The perfect storm allowed Correa to wear a Twins' uniform for the year.

    Correa started slowly in 2022, but some of that may have been expected after an abbreviated spring training. His OPS was under .700 in the season's first month, and the rest of the campaign became a roller coaster ride. He posted an OPS above 1.000 in July and saw it dip to under .620 in August. While the Twins have faded in September, Correa has been playing his best. In 25 games, he has hit .347/.405/.594 (1.000) with seven doubles and six home runs. His 5.1 WAR leads the Twins, and he's also made defensive improvements after a slow start on that side of the ball.

    Through the 2022 season, Correa has made it clear that he'd love to stay with the Twins. He has two years remaining on the $105.3 million deal he signed this winter. However, he told reporters what it would take for him to stay with the Twins for 2023 and beyond.

    Correa said, "When I go to the mall and I go to the Dior store and I want something, I get it. I ask how much it costs and I buy it. So if you really want something, you just go get it. I'm the product here, so if they want my product, they just gotta come get it."

    It seems clear from this message that Correa will opt out of his contract in the days following the World Series. He's also making it clear that the club won't be receiving any type of discount even after paying him the highest annual contract for any infielder in baseball history. The Twins would have to pay up to sign Correa long-term, which seems unlikely to happen. 

    If he opts out, Correa will join a free agent class that is expected to include Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts, and Dansby Swanson. Last winter, Corey Seager received $325 million from the Texas Rangers, so it seems likely for Correa to want to be around that contract amount. Minnesota can give him a contract near that total, but this front office enjoys payroll flexibility. 

    As the Twins finish the season, it's even more apparent now than before that Correa's on his way out the door. Did Correa's comments surprise you? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    9 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    Tell us how you really feel, Carlos. Sheesh. I’m still unsure he’ll get the long term deal he’s looking for. 

    Probably not the one he's looking for, but still likely more than the club would be willing to pay him...or for longer than he's willing to pay him?

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    Correa has been the best player in a Twins uniform since Mauer. There was never any question of how the decision would play unless there was a serious injury. The contract of three years was strictly insurance and the Twins had insurance if he was unable to play. It works both ways. The clip above just tells everyone what was already known. The Twins have an opportunity to sign Correa. They just have to decide what they want for their team. It's actually pretty straight forward. Correa is a classy player.

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    1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

    Correa has been the best player in a Twins uniform since Mauer. There was never any question of how the decision would play unless there was a serious injury. The contract of three years was strictly insurance and the Twins had insurance if he was unable to play. It works both ways. The clip above just tells everyone what was already known. The Twins have an opportunity to sign Correa. They just have to decide what they want for their team. It's actually pretty straight forward. Correa is a classy player.

    You nailed it!

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    Why the vitriol? He isn't doing or saying anything that wasn't expected. 

    He was always going to opt-out. That was clear from Day 1. 

    I thought he phrased it very well. It's actually a really good analogy, very true. 

    Also, why would he get any less than Seager got? 

    He's still young for a free agent, so he should get 10 years (like Seager), but certainly would get at least 8 years. And he'll get $30-35 million per year. At the lowest, he's looking at 8 years and $240 million, and at the highest, it could be 10 years and $325 million. All of that is more than 1 year, $35.1 million. Pretty sure none of us would do any different. 

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    He was going to opt out unless he had a terrible year or a major injury, he is a Boras client that was basically typed in bold on the contract. 

    I think I would be ok with him at 35-36 a year for 3 or 4 years (no opt outs), but anything past that years wise is paying for decline at a premium position.  It's frustrating to watch the New York and California teams sign all the stars because they can eat the decline years, but it is what it is.  This team is only signing big contracts that are short years or older/ riskier players with limited options, they will never buy a contending squad.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but I really wonder what they could have got for him at the deadline, incredibly hard move to make but that's how a team like the Rays competes consistently in that powerhouse division. 

    /Deadhorsebeaten

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    I wonder about the context of that clip; what was said before and after would be helpful to know.  

    It is in contrast to the article I read in Wednesday's paper about him wanting very much to stay long term.  He used the analogy about being married vs. dating, saying he wanted to marry an organization and was waiting for the Twins to, in his words, "pop the question".  It was a very positive article with more quotes suggesting he would like to stay here, but he did imply it would take a long term contract.  The ball is in JP's court; he has to decide relatively soon.  I have to believe the team wants him back, and Rocco would love to pencil his name in the lineup 140 times a year.  But if it comes down to nothing but money, wish him well next week, because it will be the last we see of him.  :(  

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    This is all on The Fantastic Falvines. If I am Correa and I love Minnesota as much as i say, I am open to a multi year deal of say 5 years $200 mil. I dont see any shortstop on our horizon in less than 5 years. Lewis will end up being a super sub. Martin will never be a shortstop. Palacios cant hit at all, and Lee is at least 5 years away. Anyone who saw them play live when the games mattered saw what Correa brings to the game. Seager IMHO is no way the player Correa is. For the nerds, look at the spread sheet. I am sure Correa was a top 3 shortstop in 2022. i already know an ace pitcher isnt coming, why not lock up our next Captain?

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    People are really going to clutch their pearls over this?  Unreal.  It’s truly bizarro world around here. 

    It was always delusional to think he was staying here.  I basically got called a lunatic and idiot for saying that.  If this is a surprise….it’s on you.

    Why should he be “tactful?”  To lead a random group of fans to think their favorite organization isn’t a dumpster fire?  To praise an organization that just did everything in their power to drain his value by surrounding him with hot garbage?

    He’s probably pretty pissed about how things went.  Heck, I’d be more harsh and I’m just a fan.  He was likely promised a number of things.  Instead, he got caught up in one of the biggest displays of trade deadline and overall administrative failures ever seen (and for the 100th time, it’s not bad luck).

    Maybe if Twins media and fans also had a little belly fire instead of making excuses and lauding mediocrity, ownership would get the message.  

    Its a hard pill to swallow for some.  But, I think we’re entering some dark days here.  Like late 90s level stuff.  Where our All-Star rep and best player has a season line of .270, 16 HR, 54 RBI.   Lifeless, soul-sucking baseball.

    Carlos isn’t an idiot.  If he was in any way optimistic about what was going on here, he’d answer that question differently.  He can’t get out of here fast enough.  I’ve been saying that for months and have been repeatedly been told I don’t know what I’m talking about.  Not much else to say to the “experts,” on that.

    Lastly, why the hell wouldn’t you want someone to be honest?  What kind of world do we live in where people demand false tact and pomp over honesty and brass tacks.  Good for you, Carlos.  Go win, have fun AND get paid. Tell anyone outraged and offended where to go.

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    No vitriol - just business.  His signing with us was actually a shrewd roll of the dice by the FO - maybe we catch fire and wind up competing (which, btw, we did until the other not so shrewd FO’s pitching moves, Rocco’s management, bad fundamentals and injuries caught up with us).  The FO deserves a lot of applause on the CC signing for sure.

    The question (certainly inevitable now given CC’s strong post contention performance) is what does the FO do? I see five possibilities:

    1. Sign CC to a minimum 8 year deal @ at least $30MM per year.

    2. Sign CC to a 5 year deal at closer to $40MM per year.

    3. Sign a different SS to a more “reasonable” short-mid term deal.

    4. Use the cash to sign FA pitching and try to compete next year with an in-house SS strategy while waiting for a home grown SS in 2024.

    5. Save a lot of cash and basically “rebuild” in 2023 developing Lee or Lewis as your SS of the future.

    The first three choices are possible if the FO doesn’t see a long term SS in the organization who will be ready by 2024 and a one-year in-house stop gap solution isn’t viable. However, #1 isn’t likely - not the Twins way; #2 is what I’d hope for, but not sure CC goes for it with longer term deals on the table; and #3, to really move the dial, would take another unique situation, but we’ve now seen this film a couple of times and it’s not really worked.

    The last two make more sense if Lewis or Lee or someone else (Polacios or Miller perhaps) is viewed as the long-term SS. #4 is way more likely than #5 as this FO with the Pohlads support will never be in a publicly announced rebuilding mode (see our attendance numbers) and there will be a lot of cash available with CC and others moving on. And #4 could work with the right FA starter/relief pitching signings, a healthy Buxton, and another veteran FA signing like Cruz was.

    So we hope for #2, but in reality #3 or #4 are more likely and could be better options anyway. Please note, however, none of these work if the FO and Rocco don’t up their games in a big way, the new young core don’t develop, the team doesn’t somehow play better fundamental baseball, and we can’t significantly cut down on the injuries. 

     

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    Good bye, thanks for coming to visit and bringing some quality to the table.  

    I applaud the Twins for getting him, I wish him good luck, but I think there will be a lot of buyer remorse in the SS long term high dollar contracts.  Remember how most felt about Donaldson and his contract after the first year?  We were glad to dump it.  

    SS do not age well at their positions. And neither do pitchers.  I am sure that Dodgers are tired of paying David Price, the Red Sox have gotten nothing but injuries from Sales and below expectation production plus injuries from Story who played second - not SS.   Look at the expectations and then production the Tigers got out of Javy Baez~!  Marcus Semien moved to 2B - is his value as great there?  Fernando Tatis looks like he is just as injured by the burden of so much money as he is physically.  

    I just think BB has to adjust their thinking.  I did like Correa's contract, but wish it could have been 2 years then opt out instead of one, but that might be the model the Twins have to follow.

    Meanwhile SS is waiting for Lewis and Lee, and our current fill ins are not good enough.  But can we wait or do we make another move for someone to fill in and if so how does that work with the young guys are ready?

    Can we over pay a good SP like we did Correa?   That might be our new strategy, lots of money, but not a long term commitment.

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    When he signed the contract... his opting out was a foregone conclusion. Nothing surprising here. 

    Yet... a reporter (who should have already known the answer to the question he was asking) stuck a microphone in his face and asked him what the Twins could do to keep him. 

    Carlos answered the question honestly with a very apt analogy of how free agency works. 

    The responses in this thread are once again another example of honesty being punished by us. 

    If you ever find yourself wondering why you are being lied to, please understand that you are the reason.

    Please understand that if you keep punching the truth when it shows up... it will stop showing up for the beating and it has.

    Please understand that the manipulation of skilled public relations professionals, battle hardened political operatives and the researched marketing of Madison avenue is what we consistently ask for instead of the truth. 

    If you can't handle the truth... you are just asking to be handled.  

     

     

     

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    When Correa was signed I was just as excited as anyone.  I thought this signalled the Twins were all in.  But when they didn't add much around him it instead signalled only another wish and hope season.  Carlos since day one has been concerned only about  himself.  It's obvious he was always going to opt out after year one.  After watching this debacle of a team and organization it becomes understandable.  His September salary drive is almost comical.  Where was he the previous 3 months?  Under different, more promising circumstances I would have been elated for him to stay here long term.  He is not a long term fit for the twins.  The twins are not a long term fit for him.  I say let him go!  We can't be much worse without him.  I mean come on he was only here one year.  The Twins as an organization will be better off without him.  

     

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    If he was really honest he would say he is not staying with an organization that does not have WINNING as a priority. They have PROFITS as their priority!! They made money so Pohlad is happy!! Correa was the best 2 way SS in Twins history!

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    3 hours ago, FrankQuilicy said:

    This is all on The Fantastic Falvines. If I am Correa and I love Minnesota as much as i say, I am open to a multi year deal of say 5 years $200 mil.

    If you were him, then he'd be you, and he'd use your body to make silly comments about taking less money.

    Be honest with yourself for a second and you know you'd take the best financial option, which is more money over more years.

     

     

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    Wow. See where Mr. Buxton would prefer to go on his contract list of teams and unload the guy. Keep Correa. The best SS we have had in decades. Unload Sano, Kepler, a few on the pitching staff, our catchers (maybe Sanchez gets on more year), the coaching staff. Celestino plays center pretty well. He will improve his hitting. Wallner needs to improve his fielding, but he is a massive talent and young. Miranda, Arraez, Gordon are solid and with Royce Lewis ready later next year, the infield with Urshela would be untouchable. Cave could be a good reserve fielder as he has good skills, speed, attitude and can hit when given a chance. That leaves Garlick, Larnach and Kiriloff to go for the remaining outfield spots. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching.........focus on that.

    Twins Geezer............out!

     

     

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    1 minute ago, AlGoreRythm said:

    If you were him, then he'd be you, and he'd use your body to make silly comments about taking less money.

    Be honest with yourself for a second and you know you'd take the best financial option, which is more money over more years.

     

     

    you dont think 40 million a year isnt more money? ummm...ok

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    Did anyone really expect he would opt in?  Baring an injury that was going to carry into next year, no way was he going to opt in.  The question will be, what will others offer.  We were able to sign him because he was not getting offers he expected, for whatever reason.  Maybe, he was getting good offers but he was seeking better.  

    Will he continue to hold out hoping for record deal, that may not be there?  My biggest concern for him long term is I do not know how well he will age.  Right now, and for the next 3 to 5 seasons he will be one of the best SS, maybe not the best, but up there.  However, as he ages and most likely needs to move off SS, will his bat transition to 3b, the normal transition, or will he be a below value player then?  

    Could the Twins spend to sign him to a deal he wants, sure.  However, they need to assess the risk of those end of contract years, and are you willing to risk having an overpaid player that will need to play because of his pay, but may not be helping us win. If you think you can win a ship over that time of peak years, or you think he will age well, then do it.  If not, then move on to plan B. 

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    I think he was being honest, and if I want to speculate, I suspect the FO has not approached Boras about an extension, or indicated that they would like to keep him.  I sensed a little frustration in his words so I suspect there was something behind the scenes that upset him.  What he said is true, and he gave the Twins every indication that he liked it here during the year, so it is in the Twins court to do something.  Everyone in the world knew this was going to happen, so why should we be upset that he announced it.  

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    I have been consistent with my satisfaction that we signed Carlos to the contract we did and in maintaining my hope we could work something out to have him stay here.  I've got no problem with his response to the question.  He was honest and straightforward.  Honesty is always the best policy.  

    We have Royce Lewis and Brooks Lee on the way and another young SS (Miller?) moving up the ladder.  Alas, Palacios and Wander Javier are never gonna make it.  It will NOT take Brooks Lee 5 years to get to the big club.  I give it 3 years.  Lewis may or may not be ready next year, but as a fan, I'd just like to see him have ONE healthy season. I wouldn't be opposed to a 5-year $200 million dollar contract.  It allows for Lewis and Lee to grow and at any time during the contract Carlos could be traded and one of Lewis or Lee becomes the regular SS.

    I think it's a slam dunk, no doubter that Correa is the best player on the current Twins team.  In fact, it's not even close.  Teams seldom get better when they don't retain their best player, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the Mariners winning 115 games after saying goodbye to Griffey, Randy Johnson and A-Rod in the span of a couple years.  But I certainly feel the Mariners were the exception.  Unless you're looking at a one-year Jose Iglesias type of bridge at SS there really aren't many better options than paying Correa.  We're not going to out-bid the Braves for Swanson.  We're not signing Bogaerts.  Turner is staying with the Dodgers (he's not going anywhere).  

    I think the best course of action is to retain Correa and FINALLY get something sustained and significant from our pitching pool of young flame throwers.  Mahle, Gray, Maeda, Ryan, Ober, Winder, is a decent starting point for a rotation next year.  Rather than throwing big money at a SP I'd rather retain that Gold Glove winning, clutch bat swinging SS for another 3-4 years.

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    I would give him what he wants. Someone will, why not us? Oh … wait … we won’t. I agree with Seth and RiverB … it was a really good analogy with a lot of honesty. And him opting out is no surprise. From the beginning it was always ever going to be a 1-year deal. Some of us, okay some of me, were hoping beyond hope there’d be a way he would stay, but reality was always there waiting. I’ll be sad when he goes.

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    8 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

    Why the vitriol? He isn't doing or saying anything that wasn't expected. 

    It's actually a really good analogy, very true. 

    I think the analogy is probably what draws the vitriol. 

    I've never been into a Dior store, and neither have most people reading this story. A lot of Twins fans sitting at their breakfast tables in Brainerd or Roseau or Minneapolis may not even know what Dior is. Correa reciting a metaphor that involves paying thousands for a t-shirt or hundreds of thousands for a bracelet or whatever just comes across in poor taste. 

    So I disagree with you and think - for Correa's image - it was a terrible analogy. When a player who is walking away from your team talks about going shopping at the Dior store, it doesn't do him any favors. 

    Personally I like Correa and hope the Twins find a way to bring him back. Don't think they will, and it's a big loss for the organization. Big hole to fill. 

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    8 minutes ago, Jeff D. said:

    Keep Correa. The best SS we have had in decades.

    This is true. Carlos Correa just had the best season by a Twins SS since Roy Smalley in the late 1970s. He was worth every penny of his contract.

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