Article: Rosenthal: Twins Agree to Deal With Addison Reed

[RedBull34]

I made much the same signing in OOTP. Makes this extra fun for me.

[PseudoSABR]

 

May not mean much, but clearly there's a working relationship between the agency and the Twins.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I don’t want to rain on this parade, but this has to mean theyre out of the running for Darvish. This team isn’t going to have a $135M payroll.

The Twins have so much payroll coming off the books next year, that I think they can structure a deal with Darvish so that it doesn't balloon payroll to such an extent this season.

[ashbury]

I made much the same signing in OOTP. Makes this extra fun for me.

I got him for Brian Duensing a few years back. Didn't even have to add a sweetener; Duensing WAS the sweetener.

[jorgenswest]

When all are healthy...

 

Rodney, Reed, Duke, Hildenberger, Rogers, Pressly might be the first 6.

 

Busenitz is a good fit for the seventh spot. He has options. Instead of going to 13 pitchers when the pen is exhausted they can send out Busenitz and call up Curtiss or maybe Chargois.

Edited January 13, 2018 by jorgenswest

[prouster]

But I thought the offseason already ended after Thanksgiving...

[Guest]

I don’t want to rain on this parade, but this has to mean theyre out of the running for Darvish. This team isn’t going to have a $135M payroll.

 

I had the exact opposite inkling - signing Reed could make them more attractive to Darvish or other top starters.

 

It seems like a great signing, in terms of talent, years and money. Almost too good to pass up. If I’m the GM, I take this deal and figure out the future when it arrives.

[Dantes929]

Nice signing, I think.  Can we give Rodney back now or maybe trade him for Burdi?

[AlwaysinModeration]

This is a big surprise. It must have just fallen in their lap, with the Midwest thing. Is he married/wife from Midwest?

 

Wade Davis signed for 17mm....per year! To get Addison Reed for two years for less than that total was brilliant.

 

I don’t think the Twins are out on Darvish. This is a huge opportunity to land the top FA pitcher. No other big spenders are playin this year, and the Twins have a window of competitiveness opening up now, with lots of payroll wiggle room, especially starting in 2019. Add in the Levine connection, too.

 

Honestly, I think the Twins are the favorite to sign Darvish, not out. I can’t believe I’m saying that, but I think it’s true.

[Tom Froemming]

 

Wade Davis signed for 17mm....per year! To get Addison Reed for two years for less than that total was brilliant.

Yeah, this looks like a pretty incredible deal. Reed is three years younger than Davis, and here are their numbers the past three years combined:

 

Davis

169.1 IP

4.3 WAR

1.65 ERA

1.00 WHIP

3.19 K:BB

3.05 SIERA

 

Reed

209.2 IP

4.5 WAR

2.66 ERA

1.10 WHIP

4.64 K:BB

3.14 SIERA

 

I think their performance is a lot closer than a lot of people would've guessed, and I love that huge advantage Reed has in K:BB ratio. Straight up, of course you'd take Davis over Reed, but on the deals they signed Reed is the much better value in my eyes.

[Matthew Lenz]

Nico job Twins FO. The Twins bullpen is going to be solid this year, even if Rodney were to fall off a cliff for some reason. Now on to Yu!

[twinsfanstreif]

 

I don’t want to rain on this parade, but this has to mean theyre out of the running for Darvish. This team isn’t going to have a $135M payroll.

 

Why not? the Royals had a $140 million payroll last year which was the 15th highest payroll, smack dab in the middle of the league. Right behind them were the Rockies, Indians, and Astros with the Cardinals one spot ahead. The Twin Cities market is above all of those markets except Houston. I know the Pohlad's are notoriously cheap but windows can be short in the MLB and it looks like we are set to compete for at least the next few years. Also Levine/Falvey have made comments alluding to having a bigger budget this year so who knows

[Guest]

Now, the dream for the GM would be to trade Hughes and someone like Enns for some Class A pitcher.

Edited January 13, 2018 by Deduno Abides

[tvagle]

Pohlad School of Building Success (PS...BS)

 

1) Remind Upper Management of past commitment levels

2) Keep Boss's favorite peeps around while restructuring Baseball Ops

3) Exceed expectations in first season at the helm

4) Bring back former players that boss's kids got to hang around

5) Show the boss a little success while it appears you're cutting back

 

Results in....

 

One-time free pass to raise the payroll to 60% of revenue ($250M x 60%) $150M maximum 2018 payroll

 

Researching success of latest Pohlad films for next post

Edited January 13, 2018 by tvagle

[twinsfanstreif]

 

Yeah, this looks like a pretty incredible deal. Reed is three years younger than Davis, and here are their numbers the past three years combined:

 

Davis

169.1 IP

4.3 WAR

1.65 ERA

1.00 WHIP

3.19 K:BB

3.05 SIERA

 

Reed

209.2 IP

4.5 WAR

2.66 ERA

1.10 WHIP

4.64 K:BB

3.14 SIERA

 

I think their performance is a lot closer than a lot of people would've guessed, and I love that huge advantage Reed has in K:BB ratio. Straight up, of course you'd take Davis over Reed, but on the deals they signed Reed is the much better value in my eyes.

also some of Reed's ERA problem in Boston was due to Fenway (and a little bad luck). His HR to fly ball rate with the Mets was 9.4%, it was 20.8% with Boston. He is a typical FB pitcher and that will play up well at Target Field especially with Buxton around

[Rhino and Compass]

I've never been anywhere near optimistic about the Twins signing Darvish, so with that in mind, I'm quite pleased that the Twins aren't just sitting on their hands, while they wait for him to decide. Every pitcher helps

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Reed and Darvish share that agency - very interesting. This offseason is unfolding like a bad, slow, poorly written novel but with some interesting stuff at the end.

 

MLBTR just quoted Luhnow/Astros as being "very happy" with their current roster: in other words, not interested in Darvish (my interpretation). Angels have not been linked to Darvish at all. Dodgers aren't interested. Good cases have been made why he's not returning to Texas or going to New York. Gotta be down to the Twins or Cubs.

[TheLeviathan]

This team can afford 150M if they are actually serious.

[Comrade Bork]

Gotta find some of that Gleeman optimism!

 

I don’t want to rain on this parade, but this has to mean theyre out of the running for Darvish. This team isn’t going to have a $135M payroll.

[mikecgrimes]

I'm of the belief that bullpen depth increases the value of every member of the bullpen by allowing better situational matchups for everyone. For that reason I was probably more sold on the Duke and Rodney signings then most. This is huge, now if we get one of those starters i almost think we are the division favorites.

[Winston Smith]

Don't forget the Twins are getting a $50 mill check from MLB this spring, so they should be able to bump up the payroll this year with how low it starts going into next year.

[Riverbrian]

This news made my Saturday. I was worried they were done in the bullpen. I’m smiling.

 

I’m guessing that Reed signs for less years to be a closer. Rodney will have a new role and his agent is probably calling to air grievances.

 

No way this takes them out on Darvish. Two Years around 8M per year. Should have no influence on a multi year 100 plus million deal.

[mikecgrimes]

If I'm darvish I probably demand a move like this. It really feels like it might in a sense be a package deal. Prior to this news I might have thought 25-33% chance of darvish now I'm more like 50-75.

[Thrylos]

This will make some interesting situations come Spring Training:

 

The fact that the Twins have offered arbitration to and agreed to contracts with Grossman, Adrianza, Escobar and need a back up catcher, and Vargas is out of options, they cannot go with an 8 man bullpen, unless they make a trade.

 

Under contract and out of options starters:   Santana, Gibson, Hughes

Under contract and starters with options:  Mejia, May, Berrios

Under contract and out of options relievers:  Rodney, Reed, Duke, Pressly, Boshers, Kinley (effectively)

Under contract and starters with options: Duffey, Rogers, Hildy, Chargois, Enns, Slegers, Moya

 

I suspect that Berrios starting is a given.  There are 6 RPs without options in the pen.  Unless they get another starter Hughes/Mejia/May are fighting for 2 spots in the rotation and the loser will get the last spot on the pen or get optioned.  This means that only one of Duffey, Rogers, Chargois, Hildy can start in the majors, unless they make a trade.

 

That's why the Twins should be all over the phone trying to make trades at this point.

[ashbury]

For that reason I was probably more sold on the Duke and Rodney signings then most.

Sir Rodney, Sir Duke and Sir Addison! Veddy veddy British feel to the new bullpen, plus a little bit of swing thrown in.

[bighat]

Reed should be the closer?  What about Rodney?  I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

[Thrylos]

 

Reed should be the closer?  What about Rodney?  I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

 

I'd rather see the Twins use  Reed in the highest leverage situations (Like Andrew Miller) and let Rodney have the ninth.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Reed should be the closer?  What about Rodney?  I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

I don't really care who closes so long as Addison gets the outs that matter more often.  Let Rodney have have the 2 and 3 run saves.  If he blows those he won't have much claim to the spot.  I don't really think it matters if they go back on their word to a 41 year old, but it's also not going to be much of a problem to live up to that word to the point that it creates no issues if things change.

[bighat]

Thanks dudes, I agree with both of the comments above. Good answers.

[ThejacKmp]

Lets get arrieta!