Article: Rosenthal: Twins Agree to Deal With Addison Reed

[Blake]

 

This will make some interesting situations come Spring Training:

 

The fact that the Twins have offered arbitration to and agreed to contracts with Grossman, Adrianza, Escobar and need a back up catcher, and Vargas is out of options, they cannot go with an 8 man bullpen, unless they make a trade.

 

Under contract and out of options starters:   Santana, Gibson, Hughes

Under contract and starters with options:  Mejia, May, Berrios

Under contract and out of options relievers:  Rodney, Reed, Duke, Pressly, Boshers, Kinley (effectively)

Under contract and starters with options: Duffey, Rogers, Hildy, Chargois, Enns, Slegers, Moya

 

I suspect that Berrios starting is a given.  There are 6 RPs without options in the pen.  Unless they get another starter Hughes/Mejia/May are fighting for 2 spots in the rotation and the loser will get the last spot on the pen or get optioned.  This means that only one of Duffey, Rogers, Chargois, Hildy can start in the majors, unless they make a trade.

 

That's why the Twins should be all over the phone trying to make trades at this point.

You think Hughes is going to be a viable option? 

 

I don't see it, but, then again, I was counting Mauer out last year. Of course, we all know how that turned out.

[drjim]

Twins should have no problem pushing to $135mil if a Darvish deal is on acceptable terms (especially years).

 

I'm not much of a fan of multiyear deals for free agent relievers, but it does seem like they got a good deal compared to earlier signings.

[kab21]

 

Twins should have no problem pushing to $135mil if a Darvish deal is on acceptable terms (especially years).

I'm not much of a fan of multiyear deals for free agent relievers, but it does seem like they got a good deal compared to earlier signings.

Yes, I think this is another indication that the Twins aren't just doing business as usual and are willing to make big moves and increase payroll. This doesn't mean that they won't look at a big trade like Cole/Archer but that would also be a very atypical move for the Twins.

[beckmt]

Good move very little downside to this, now let's get another starter.

[Old Twins Cap]

Don't underestimate the strength of signal this sends to Darvish and Arrietta.

 

Twins going all in to win a World Series over the next number of years, offense, defense, bullpen.

 

Hard not to like it.

 

And yes, unless I am mistaken, this is the Twins' first money committed in 2019. 

 

Big rollers don't think in terms of one year.    So payroll shoots up 35% in 2018?

 

Who cares.

 

By 2021, you have a World Series Title and another generation of Twins fans who idolize going to Target Field with their kids. 

 

It's about long term and if Falvey and Levine can present a credible case that there will be a route to growth, profit and overall return by choosing their path.

[drjim]

Don't underestimate the strength of signal this sends to Darvish and Arrietta.

 

Twins going all in to win a World Series over the next number of years, offense, defense, bullpen.

 

Hard not to like it.

 

And yes, unless I am mistaken, this is the Twins' first money committed in 2019.

 

Big rollers don't think in terms of one year. So payroll shoots up 35% in 2018?

 

Who cares.

 

By 2021, you have a World Series Title and another generation of Twins fans who idolize going to Target Field with their kids.

 

It's about long term and if Falvey and Levine can present a credible case that there will be a route to growth, profit and overall return by choosing their path.

Just a small point - Hughes, Castro and Pineda are also guaranteed money in 19, and ESan has a pretty reachable vesting option.

[Brandon]

There's one less Darvish suitor as the Astros aquired Cole. Of course the Yankees may step up their efforts to sign Darvish as a result...

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

Reed and Darvish share that agency - very interesting. This offseason is unfolding like a bad, slow, poorly written novel but with some interesting stuff at the end.

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

 

[Dman]

I was surprised that since he was offered a three year deal that the Twins didn't offer an option for the third year.  Guy must believe in himself and will test the market again after two years.  

[Thrylos]

 

You think Hughes is going to be a viable option? 

 

I don't see it, but, then again, I was counting Mauer out last year. Of course, we all know how that turned out.

 

That's not the point.  Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

[Riverbrian]

 

Yes, I think this is another indication that the Twins aren't just doing business as usual and are willing to make big moves and increase payroll. This doesn't mean that they won't look at a big trade like Cole/Archer but that would also be a very atypical move for the Twins.

 

Only Darvish can decide if he comes here.

 

If he comes or doesn't... I'm already buying into the indicator that the Twins have demonstrated it isn't business as usual by simply being in the mix for him. 

 

They wouldn't be in the mix without a significant dollar amount thrown in that direction. 

 

I'm pretty happy today. 

 

 

[drjim]

Only Darvish can decide if he comes here.

 

If he comes or doesn't... I'm already buying into the indicator that the Twins have demonstrated it isn't business as usual by simply being in the mix for him.

 

They wouldn't be in the mix without a significant dollar amount thrown in that direction.

 

I'm pretty happy today.

I'm skeptical that the front office is all that different in how far they are willing to stretch.

 

They might be wiser with resources and might have some relationships that help them close the deal, but even Terry Ryan would notice they had financial flexibilty (he was instrumental in creating it!) and a need in the rotation. Fangraphs and mlbtraderumors had the Twins pegged for a significant starter addition.

[ashbury]

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

It was the age of trades, it was the age of free-agent signings. It was the epoch of new relievers, it was the epoch of new starters. It was the season of single-A prospects, it was the season of win-now. It was the Spring of hope, it was the Autumn of pennants. We had everything before us --- full stop.

[Winston Smith]

 

That's not the point.  Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

Can't they DFA him? Nobody would take his contract if he went on waivers and he'd need to report to Roch to collect his money wouldn't he? At least he'd get innings and could prove he's worth something or not.

[Blake]

 

That's not the point.  Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

Okay, fair enough. 

[Riverbrian]

 

I'm skeptical that the front office is all that different in how far they are willing to stretch.

They might be wiser with resources and might have some relationships that help them close the deal, but even Terry Ryan would notice they had financial flexibilty (he was instrumental in creating it!) and a need in the rotation. Fangraphs and mlbtraderumors had the Twins pegged for a significant starter addition.

 

I agree... To assume that Ryan wouldn't notice the financial flexibility. You would have to first assume that he was blind and completely inept and that would be a terrible assumption to make.

 

My opinion of Terry Ryan is mostly favorable. Even if I felt it was time for a change. 

 

However... There really isn't any history of Ryan shopping at the top of the FA pile or trading for an established veteran with a significant price tag. Ryan never got a chance to prove that he could or would spend when necessary. 

 

The timing may not have been right or... well... I don't know. 

 

 

[Darius]

Yeah, my first thought when Insaw this was that Yu narrowed his list and let us know we aren't on it.

[tvagle]

 

...And yes, unless I am mistaken, this is the Twins' first money committed in 2019. 

 

Slightly bigger point to 2019

 

Reed $8.5M (Guesstimate on how contract is broken down)

Castro $8M

Santana $14M option (with vesting?)

Rodney $.25M

Pineda $8M

Hughes $13.2M

Park $3M (unless someone can show where it has been voided)

 

Sorry to say but that's $54.95M for those 7...3 of who may not contribute at all

 

Just a little sun shower on an otherwise Bright Sunshiny Day!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

It was the age of trades, it was the age of free-agent signings. It was the epoch of new relievers, it was the epoch of new starters. It was the season of single-A prospects, it was the season of win-now. It was the Spring of hope, it was the Autumn of pennants. We had everything before us --- full stop.

"It was a dark and stormy offseason..." Edited January 14, 2018 by Hosken Bombo Disco

[KirbyDome89]

 

I agree... To assume that Ryan wouldn't notice the financial flexibility. You would have to first assume that he was blind and completely inept and that would be a terrible assumption to make.

 

My opinion of Terry Ryan is mostly favorable. Even if I felt it was time for a change. 

 

However... There really isn't any history of Ryan shopping at the top of the FA pile or trading for an established veteran with a significant price tag. Ryan never got a chance to prove that he could or would spend when necessary. 

 

The timing may not have been right or... well... I don't know. 

I think the fact they're in on Darvish is encouraging, but I also remember the old FO mentioning players they inquired about at trade deadlines. Wherever Darvish ends up, I think the offer MN puts on the table will truly determine how differently we can expect this new FO to operate. 

[Guest]

"It was a dark and stormy offseason..."

Free agency 2017-18: “It’s all I can do, to keep waiting for you. . .”

[Thrylos]

 

Can't they DFA him? Nobody would take his contract if he went on waivers and he'd need to report to Roch to collect his money wouldn't he? At least he'd get innings and could prove he's worth something or not.

 

Nope.  Because of service time he can elect to become a free agent, with the Twins eating the $32M

[TheLeviathan]

 

This will make some interesting situations come Spring Training:

 

The fact that the Twins have offered arbitration to and agreed to contracts with Grossman, Adrianza, Escobar and need a back up catcher, and Vargas is out of options, they cannot go with an 8 man bullpen, unless they make a trade.

 

Under contract and out of options starters:   Santana, Gibson, Hughes

Under contract and starters with options:  Mejia, May, Berrios

Under contract and out of options relievers:  Rodney, Reed, Duke, Pressly, Boshers, Kinley (effectively)

Under contract and starters with options: Duffey, Rogers, Hildy, Chargois, Enns, Slegers, Moya

 

I suspect that Berrios starting is a given.  There are 6 RPs without options in the pen.  Unless they get another starter Hughes/Mejia/May are fighting for 2 spots in the rotation and the loser will get the last spot on the pen or get optioned.  This means that only one of Duffey, Rogers, Chargois, Hildy can start in the majors, unless they make a trade.

 

That's why the Twins should be all over the phone trying to make trades at this point.

 

The bullpen is often a numbers game, it's nice to be on the right side of that, but you're right that there is going to be quite a crunch for roster spots.  I don't see how Rogers and Hildy are left off unless they implode this spring, but I guess we'll see what happens.

[Mr. Brooks]

Great signing.

[Kwak]

 

Nope.  Because of service time he can elect to become a free agent, with the Twins eating the $32M

You make this sound like "a bad thing"--it isn't!

[amjgt]

Slightly bigger point to 2019

 

Castro $8M

Santana $14M option (with vesting?)

Rodney $.25M

Pineda $8M

Hughes $13.2M

Park $3M (unless someone can show where it has been voided)

 

Sorry to say but that's $54.95M for those 6...3 of who may not contribute at all

 

Just a little sun shower on an otherwise Bright Sunshiny Day!

Did you seriously list Rodney’s $250k

[tvagle]

 

Did you seriously list Rodney’s $250k

 

A quarter's still a quarter 

[h2oface]

Time to trade Rodney. He surely will be whining if he was promised to be the closer, and if he closes instead of Reed.......... argh. Reed as an Andrew Miller? I guess I still can't bring myself to accept that Rodney will be the Twins' closer. 

Edited January 14, 2018 by h2oface

[nclahammer]

Good to see the Twins "arming" themselves in preparation for the 2018 season.  Nice pick-up.

 

[AlwaysinModeration]

Slightly bigger point to 2019

 

Castro $8M

Santana $14M option (with vesting?)

Rodney $.25M

Pineda $8M

Hughes $13.2M

Park $3M (unless someone can show where it has been voided)

 

Sorry to say but that's $54.95M for those 6...3 of who may not contribute at all

 

Just a little sun shower on an otherwise Bright Sunshiny Day!

I keep getting a different total than you for those six.