Twins Acquire Reliever Trevor Richards from Toronto Blue Jays for Minor Leaguer Jay Harry

[KirbyDome89]

1 minute ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

Meanwhile, Cleveland goes out and gets Alex Cobb for a prospect ranked #28 in their organization.....(akin to like Dylan Questad in the Twins).....

SMH at this squads ownership......

Cobb hasn't thrown a single pitch this season. I wouldn't get too excited about acquiring him if I was a Guardians fan.

[clone52]

17 minutes ago, twins_89 said:

Go back a little further and he's given up 15 ER in his last 8 IP.

 

Not saying this is a great move, but everyone is negative so I'll try to look towards the positive.

15 ER in 8 IP is awful and frankly its amazing he has a 4.64 ERA.  Hopefully its just a blip.

I'm not going to lose sleep over who they gave up.

[DJL44]

13 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I've been following closely.  Give me a name.

Puk

[LewFordLives]

If this trade had happened in January it would have been buried in the TD forums and explained as bringing in some competition for a roster spot.

[clone52]

9 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

No. I don't care what your splits are when you're an overall bad reliever.

 

Depends on how they use him.  If they use him in the rights spots, he can be passible.  Its not like the Twins bullpen has been lighting it up.

If payroll weren't an issue, what bullpen trade would you have made?

[Jeff K]

8 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Available yes, but not at "reasonable prices". So far KIkuchi cost the Astros their #2 prospect who may go right into the Blue Jays rotation, and their #9 prospect. That's like us trading Walter Jenkins or Emma AND Charlee Soto or CJ Culpepper. Two guys who haven't even pitched this year due to injury - Paul Blackburn and Alex Cobb - went for  top 30 guys in the Mets and Guardians systems. Trevor Rogers fetched a top 100 prospect in AAA and another AAA guy who is in the Orioles top 25. I'd like to get a quality starter too, but the prices have been high.  

Kikuchi was a terrible deal and I wouldn't have touched that one.

[SaberNerd]

4 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

Staumont DFA'd

Right time to cut bait.  We got some decent value out of him, but his 3.5 ERA was with 0 HR allowed which won't continue.  18 K%/ 14 BB% is not a guy who will work out.

Richards isn't exciting, but he seems much more fixable than Staumont.  Small adjustments and more LHH-focused usage could be a decent arm in the pen.

[Jeff K]

16 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I've been following closely.  Give me a name.

Micheal Lorenzen.  4th/5th starter depth

Andrew Chafin.  Lefty reliever; something we could use.

Lucas Erceg.  Righty reliever that could have added some value.

[Road trip]

13 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Available yes, but not at "reasonable prices". So far KIkuchi cost the Astros their #2 prospect who may go right into the Blue Jays rotation, and their #9 prospect. That's like us trading Walter Jenkins or Emma AND Charlee Soto or CJ Culpepper. Two guys who haven't even pitched this year due to injury - Paul Blackburn and Alex Cobb - went for  top 30 guys in the Mets and Guardians systems. Trevor Rogers fetched a top 100 prospect in AAA and another AAA guy who is in the Orioles top 25. I'd like to get a quality starter too, but the prices have been high.  

Agree on most, but the cost on Blackburn wasn't excessive (and he has pitched several games this year, just beat the Angels last weekend).  He's been a sort of average MLB pitcher for a long time now.  If the cost was only the 28th best prospect in the Twins system, well I think I'd make that trade just to solidify the #5 starter slot.  Could be Festa or Dobnak will work out... but I don't really like wagering on that.

[LA Vikes Fan]

4 minutes ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

Meanwhile, Cleveland goes out and gets Alex Cobb for a prospect ranked #28 in their organization.....(akin to like Dylan Questad in the Twins).....

SMH at this squads ownership......

You know Alex Cobb hasn't pitched an MLB inning yet this season, right? And that he suffered a "setback" in rehab as well. Also the Giants got a PTBNL in addition to the 19 year old who has 66 SOs in 50 Low A innings. This guy is closer to Carlee Soto than Questad. That doesn't count whoever the later named player is an Cobb is strictly a rental, free agent at years end will pick somewhere else next year.

Look, I'm as disappointed as the next guy that the Twins didn't pick up a decent starter.  Let's not pretend that we could have gotten the quality starting pitcher for prospect at the back and of our top 30. Based on what we've seen, a quality starting pitcher would have cost us at least one prospect in the top 10 if not in the top five or six, plus another prospect in the top 20. I'm happy to discuss whether that was a price that was worth being paid for rental starter like Kikuchi or Cobb but let's be the real on what the price was.

 

 

[jud6312]

20 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

When’s the parade? 🤡 

I figure I'll be heading down to the capital area with my work laptop and a slop bucket early next week. I can save you a spot if you like.

[DJL44]

Twins acquire a bad reliever who should be left off the postseason roster in exchange for a non-prospect more likely to be released than to play in AAA.

I guess we'll see if Pete Maki can make chicken salad out of Trevor Richards. He couldn't out of Staumont.

[Jocko87]

2 minutes ago, Jeff K said:

Micheal Lorenzen.  4th/5th starter depth

Andrew Chafin.  Lefty reliever; something we could use.

Lucas Erceg.  Righty reliever that could have added some value.

You said starter. Depth starter is a waste of time.

[nicksaviking]

14 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

Staumont DFA'd

I never liked the Staumont signing. I liked the strikeout potential, but his sketchy command never seemed like a good fit. 

At least Trevor Richards BB% is .......... hmmmmmmmm.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

12 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Cobb hasn't thrown a single pitch this season. I wouldn't get too excited about acquiring him if I was a Guardians fan.

It appears he's due to make one more rehab start and then was joining the Giants.....I'd take a swing at it.

[AceWrigley]

MLB last hour trade frenzy in progress.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

3 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

You know Alex Cobb hasn't pitched an MLB inning yet this season, right? And that he suffered a "setback" in rehab as well. Also the Giants got a PTBNL in addition to the 19 year old who has 66 SOs in 50 Low A innings. This guy is closer to Carlee Soto than Questad. That doesn't count whoever the later named player is an Cobb is strictly a rental, free agent at years end will pick somewhere else next year.

Look, I'm as disappointed as the next guy that the Twins didn't pick up a decent starter.  Let's not pretend that we could have gotten the quality starting pitcher for prospect at the back and of our top 30. Based on what we've seen, a quality starting pitcher would have cost us at least one prospect in the top 10 if not in the top five or six, plus another prospect in the top 20. I'm happy to discuss whether that was a price that was worth being paid for rental starter like Kikuchi or Cobb but let's be the real on what the price was.

 

 

I hadn't heard about the "set-back"....only that he was due to make one more rehab start before joining the Giants.  You saying that Soto would be the #28 prospect in the Guardian's system?  I doubt that.....

[cmoss84]

15 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Cobb hasn't thrown a single pitch this season. I wouldn't get too excited about acquiring him if I was a Guardians fan.

I'm sure they will be grooming him for the playoffs the next 2 months.

 

[LA Vikes Fan]

2 minutes ago, Road trip said:

Agree on most, but the cost on Blackburn wasn't excessive (and he has pitched several games this year, just beat the Angels last weekend).  He's been a sort of average MLB pitcher for a long time now.  If the cost was only the 28th best prospect in the Twins system, well I think I'd make that trade just to solidify the #5 starter slot.  Could be Festa or Dobnak will work out... but I don't really like wagering on that.

Fair point. Blackburn actually looked like a decent deal for both sides. Big risk there though in that he just came back from a stress fracture in his foot, something that could go again at any time. His overall record with the As is 21 – 26 with a 4.78 ERA in eight seasons during which he started a grand total of 77 games in 81 appearances. That's less than 10 appearances a season. Guy has talent but is always hurt. His upside is he gives you 10 starts this year and pitches like a #3 or #4 starter. Certainly nothing to sneeze at, but might be hard to pull the trigger on sending a top 30 prospect just for that. I think the return reflected the risk. Having said that, there probably are a couple of guys in the Twins 20 – 30 prospect range I would have given up to get him.

Sorry, I just get frustrated because when the Twins don't get someone people start posting that we could have traded for him for a bag of balls and 3 half off coupons to Arby's. At least it's better than the Athletic where any article about the Twins results in pages of posts about how the Pohlads are cheap and we should take the stadium back. At least here there is some intelligent commentary. I will say though, the constant drone of negativity gets pretty old especially when were talking about a team that is definitely in the playoff hunt and appears to be on the way up as the schedule gets easier and the hitter start coming back from injury.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[DocBauer]

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[Doctor Gast]

He's costing us a valuable 40-man spot but the worst part is Baldell will have to trot him out there every chance he can to prove how bad he is and how smart this FO is. When they are pressed it's usually not someone they can fix but just pick up anyone they spin some hype on. I'd prefer they did nothing. I'm sorry Falvey.

[strumdatjag]

1 hour ago, cmoss84 said:

Ridiculous. 

Can't believe we gave up Jay Harry.

I never knew there was anyone other than Debbie with that last name - Harry.  This was a mini salary dump by the Jays.   Otherwise, it’s pretty dull 

[nicksaviking]

1 minute ago, strumdatjag said:

I never knew there was anyone other than Debbie with that last name - Harry.  This was a mini salary dump by the Jays.   Otherwise, it’s pretty dull 

Jay Harry is definitely a better fit up north in Toronto. He sounds like a character out of Strange Brew.

[TopGunn#22]

We gave up nothing to get very little.  Richards could surprise and pitch decently for a couple weeks but I agree with others who think he could get DFA'd by the end of August and we'll go with some young arms come September 1st.

[Mike Sixel]

Awful. Truly awful. But at least two posters will continue to kiss the owner's butts. 

[chpettit19]

29 minutes ago, clone52 said:

 

Depends on how they use him.  If they use him in the rights spots, he can be passible.  Its not like the Twins bullpen has been lighting it up.

If payroll weren't an issue, what bullpen trade would you have made?

What are the right spots? The new rules have made it really hard to use lefty specialists. It's why there aren't many left. If you can't get both side hitters out you're not useful on a modern day pitching staff. They haven't been lighting it up, but adding a guy who's given up 15 runs in his last 8 innings isn't helping that.

If I were bringing in a reliever this deadline it would've been Tanner Scott.

[jkcarew]

How does a guy with a 1.14 WHIP and an average HR-allowed rate have such a poor ERA and negative WAR??

Well...this year his OPS allowed with RiSP is 1.047.

The Twins plan, obviously, is to never use this reliever in situations where......um, you really, REALLY need a reliever. Innovative! For all other situations, we got our guy!

[Jocko87]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Awful. Truly awful. But at least two posters will continue to kiss the owner's butts. 

No kidding? Who?

[USAFChief]

45 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Available yes, but not at "reasonable prices". So far KIkuchi cost the Astros their #2 prospect who may go right into the Blue Jays rotation, and their #9 prospect. That's like us trading Walter Jenkins or Emma AND Charlee Soto or CJ Culpepper. 

This isn't even close to accurate. 

Sheesh.

Sorry to rain on the apologist parade, but c'mon.

 

[DJL44]

Now would be a good time for the Twins to get something out of the Polanco trade. Hopefully Topa can pitch effectively down the stretch.