Twins make offer for Chris Archer

[nytwinsfan]

http://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/

 

  

FORT MYERS, FLA. – After failing to land Yu Darvish with a five-year contract offer, the Twins are looking at several other free-agent pitchers, as well as exploring trades with multiple teams, according to several sources with know­ledge of the club’s search.

One pitcher the Twins have targeted is Rays righthander Chris Archer, and the club made a trade offer as recently as two weeks ago, a source confirmed.

[AZTwin]

As recent as two weeks ago.  Wonder if it heats up now that Darvish is off the market

http://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/

[jimmer]

 

As recent as two weeks ago.  Wonder if it heats up now that Darvish is off the market

http://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/

Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish!

[Squirrel]

Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish!

I’m not sure it would be better, but it’s certainly a good 2nd move, depending on the cost.

[AZTwin]

I would do:

Max Kepler
Fernando Romero
Nick Gordon
Felix Jorge

That would be more than fair.

[jimmer]

 

I’m not sure it would be better, but it’s certainly a good 2nd move, depending on the cost.

Let me rephrase.  We'd be getting a better pitcher.  But yeah, what it would cost in prospects probably doesn't make it the better than just spending the money.

[Squirrel]

Let me rephrase.  We'd be getting a better pitcher.  But yeah, what it would cost in prospects probably doesn't make it the better than just spending the money.

Yeah, I knew what you meant, and I’m not convinced he’s a better pitcher, at least for right now, but it’s definitely a good 2nd move, imho.

[jimmer]

 

Yeah, I knew what you meant, and I’m not convinced he’s a better pitcher, at least for right now, but it’s definitely a good 2nd move, imho.

I definitely believe Archer is the better pitcher. For me, there's no doubt. And he is younger too.

Edited February 12, 2018 by jimmer

[Squirrel]

I definitely believe Archer is the better pitcher.  For me, there's no doubt. And he's  younger too.

Younger and team control are good. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an excellent piece to add to our young core and hope a deal can be worked out. But it will cost us and until I see what ... but this is what we have to do to get front-end pitching.

[Squirrel]

But ... while I hope for it, I will still manage my expectations by remaining cynical.

 

Brian, where’s your pitchfork now?

[jimmer]

 

Younger and team control are good. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an excellent piece to add to our young core and hope a deal can be worked out. But it will cost us and until I see what ... but this is what we have to do to get front-end pitching.

A 1-2 of him and Berrios with Santana at number three when he comes back. THAT starts to make this rotation look promising.

Edited February 12, 2018 by jimmer

[KirbyDome89]

Lets hope this "priority," works out better than the last one...

[Mike Sixel]

I hope they sign Gomez if they deal Kepler. That takes the sting off,I think.

[Squirrel]

I hope they sign Gomez if they deal Kepler. That takes the sting off,I think.

Gomez ... I’m not sure what I think of that ... I hate the idea of losing Kepler, but if it doesn’t hurt a little, something is wrong with the trade.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco.

 

But if they can pull it off at this late date without dealing Kepler or Lewis, by all means.

[Squirrel]

Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco.

That’s terribly cynical of you!

[Riverbrian]

 

But ... while I hope for it, I will still manage my expectations by remaining cynical.

Brian, where’s your pitchfork now?

 

Make it a good one Strap

[TheLeviathan]

 

Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco.

But if they can pull it off at this late date without dealing Kepler or Lewis, by all means.

 

This.  I expect us to get Garcia and Tillman and we'll get sold on how much their veteran presence and leadership will help a young team.

Edited February 12, 2018 by TheLeviathan

[Halsey Hall]

I'd rather not if it costs Kepler. 

[Mike Sixel]

You have to trade value to get value.

[Nine of twelve]

Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish!

I'd rather have Archer than Darvish, but I'd rather have paid money than players to make the acquisition.

[jimmer]

 

I'd rather not if it costs Kepler. 

you'd balk at getting a bonafide ace if it meant losing Kepler?  I'm a Kepler fan, but that's an easy yes.

Edited February 12, 2018 by jimmer

[Mike Sixel]

This. I expect us to get Garcia and Tillman and we'll get sold on how much their veteran presence and leadership will help a young team.

Even though that means there aren't any young players on the roster.... How long do these guys need to be MLB players not to be young?

[jimmer]

 

I'd rather have Archer than Darvish, but I'd rather have paid money than players to make the acquisition.

yeah, that's why I rephrased a couple posts after I wrote that.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

That’s terribly cynical of you!

It was Max Kepler's birthday recently. The reason I know this is because the Twins promoted it on Facebook. At this point let's keep him a while

[old nurse]

 

You have to trade value to get value.

The return teams got for Miggy, Anibal Sanchez, Price, Cueto?  The Royals got a great return for Greinke. Archer does not have near the track record at this point. 

[Mike Sixel]

The return teams got for Miggy, Anibal Sanchez, Price, Cueto? The Royals got a great return for Greinke. Archer does not have near the track record at this point.

I think you are under estimating what it will take to get him.

 

But if you want great players, that are cheap, you have to give up real value.

[notoriousgod71]

If the Twins don't get Archer or overpay for him are we allowed to get the pitch forks out?

[jimmer]

Archer has pitched over 200 innings in the last three years and just under 200 IP 4 seasons ago.

 

2013 fWAR: 3.2

2014 fWAR: 5.2

2016 fWAR: 3.2

2017 fWAR: 4.6

 

And he's done that facing the toughest offenses in baseball consistently.

 

We have anybody close to that?

Edited February 12, 2018 by jimmer

[gunnarthor]

Kepler is cheaper, younger and has more years of control. Archer strikes guys out and is durable but that's about it. By bWAR, Kepler is better. fWAR, which relies on fip, likes Archer a lot more. Archer has been pitching in a very good pitchers park in front of a very good defense.

 

I think bWAR is probably a bit closer to the truth but our FO better have a pretty good understanding of them.