Good-bye Rocco

[JBK]

Please fire Baldelli.  Analytics are not what baseball is about.  You've gotta go with your gut as well.  Yanking starters and never playing a consistent line-up is not how you play baseball on the major league level.

[C-Gangster]

3 minutes ago, JBK said:

Please fire Baldelli.  Analytics are not what baseball is about.  You've gotta go with your gut as well.  Yanking starters and never playing a consistent line-up is not how you play baseball on the major league level.

No ones perfect he has a few flaws but he knows how to win ballgames. Also the twins are just in slump right now. Personally I really like Rocco 

[Gagnerules]

13 minutes ago, C-Gangster said:

No ones perfect he has a few flaws but he knows how to win ballgames. Also the twins are just in slump right now. Personally I really like Rocco 

He only has a few flaws? Now that just made my day!

[SoDakTwinsFan]

Rocco needs to go.  His bullpen/starting pitching management has cost them games too many games

[Craig Arko]

Go, stay. I doubt it will make much difference. Except in having to pay two managers salaries. 

[nicksaviking]

Moderator Note:

Stay on topic and stay away from the personal attacks.

[jctwins]

Firing the manager is likely the best way to do what really needs to be done, which is for ownership to make a statement via actions that they see there is an issue that something needs to change here. Changes in other front office personnel would be another place to start. St. Peter for sure, but Falvine likely need a shakeup, too.

 

 

[insagt1]

Generally in pro sports, when a team falls apart as badly as the Twins have, a change in leadership always follows (except in very rare occasions) Twins really shouldn't have regressed this badly even with the injuries. Right now they are playing like dead men walking. They need a shake-up and I think it will happen probably the day or two after they are eliminated.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't care if they fire Baldelli at this point but he's not the problem. Until the Pohlads fire themselves, the guiltiest parties will go unpunished.

[insagt1]

whoever, whenever, whatever....as the song goes, 'a change is gonna come'.

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Will Rocco be fired - probably not.

Should he be fired - yes, he should.

 

[RpR]

In Calvin's days, he would be history.

[USAFChief]

28 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I don't care if they fire Baldelli at this point but he's not the problem. Until the Pohlads fire themselves, the guiltiest parties will go unpunished.

Not THE problem doesn't equal not A problem.

I don't see the Pohlads firing themselves, so asking for that while ignoring other problems seems foolhardy.

[C-Gangster]

Why is everyone hating on Rocco. Its our Ownership that's the problem and He has nothing to work with.

[howeda7]

There are multiple issues, but this is definitely one of them. This team quit on him. It's time for a change.

[Muppet]

You think you don't like Rocco. Wait until we get a few games in with next year's new manager. 

[exeoud]

1 hour ago, C-Gangster said:

Why is everyone hating on Rocco. Its our Ownership that's the problem and He has nothing to work with.

Then why did the Guardians, Tigers, and Royals make the playoffs with lower payrolls than the Twins?

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Muppet said:

You think you don't like Rocco. Wait until we get a few games in with next year's new manager. 

I mentioned elsewhere that on the Red Sox fan site "Talk Sox," someone launched a "Fire Alex Cora" thread on October 19, 2017, three days BEFORE he was hired.  Early posts:

• How long do we have to wait for a W? no improvement in the kids yet. This DD hire is a disaster.

• Bum. Hasn't won a single game yet. Unbelievable.

• His communication skills are very questionable. In fact, none of the players have heard a thing from him.

• He won't give a news conference. He hasn't named a starter for the next game. And he doesn't even travel with the damn team!

Now THAT'S a fan base worth respecting and a site worth reading.

[lecroy24fan]

1 hour ago, exeoud said:

Then why did the Guardians, Tigers, and Royals make the playoffs with lower payrolls than the Twins?

They didn't do a quick slash like the Pohlads did.

[ziggy]

LOUIE!!!

[Richie the Rally Goat]

5 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Not THE problem doesn't equal not A problem.

I don't see the Pohlads firing themselves, so asking for that while ignoring other problems seems foolhardy.

Agreed that Baldelli’s game tactics are a problem. Is making a change going to be a significantly impactful one?

 

In terms of bang for the buck, does Baldelli turn what was an 87 win team celebrated last year, to an 81-83 win villainous failure this year, to… what?

what’s the impact?

[cmoss84]

I'd say hiring Francona or Bochy would make difference. Other than that who knows.

[Major League Ready]

On 9/25/2024 at 6:52 PM, lecroy24fan said:

They didn't do a quick slash like the Pohlads did.

So, if they had spent another $30M on a couple players the other players would have not fallen apart?  This argument just ignores all forms of reason for the sake of venting frustration in an entire team that underperformed.  If your boss asked you how to compete in an industry where your competitors could spend $100M or even $150M more than you could even if you spent ever dime of profit, would you suggest the solution was spend an additional $30M?   That would be a good way to get removed from a leadership position in a hurry.  Spending a little more would help a little but it would be almost inconsequential to making this team a true contender.   

What if they would have signed Montgomery and Hoskins who were among the most popular choices here.  We would have been worse and been saddled with those contracts.

[TheLeviathan]

3 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

So, if they had spent another $30M on a couple players the other players would have not fallen apart?  This argument just ignores all forms of reason for the sake of venting frustration in an entire team that underperformed.  If your boss asked you how to compete in an industry where your competitors could spend $100M or even $150M more than you could even if you spent ever dime of profit, would you suggest the solution was spend an additional $30M?   That would be a good way to get removed from a leadership position in a hurry.  Spending a little more would help a little but it would be almost inconsequential to making this team a true contender.   

What if they would have signed Montgomery and Hoskins who were among the most popular choices here.  We would have been worse and been saddled with those contracts.

Closer to 40M.  And 40M buys you a competent starter and two good bullpen arms.  Yes, that absolutely could have made a huge difference.

Other factors would've still caused this team a lot of difficulty, but three more competent members of the pitching staff is definitely not something to ignore.

[Hubie29]

Baldelli is wayyy over his head. He would be a good little league coach for fundamental work. His game managing is terrible. 

He might also think of buying the strat o matic baseball game, there he can manage all 30 teams and make all the blunders he wants to.  Only bad thing is they only give you so many players cards, so he would have to cut down on his platooning in the 3rd inning.

[Major League Ready]

52 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

Closer to 40M.  And 40M buys you a competent starter and two good bullpen arms.  Yes, that absolutely could have made a huge difference.

Other factors would've still caused this team a lot of difficulty, but three more competent members of the pitching staff is definitely not something to ignore.

According to Spotrac (links below) the 2023 end of year payroll was $156,104,540.  It currently stands at $130,721,902.  We could use opening day numbers but the difference is very small.  So, that’s $25,382,638. 

2023 Minnesota Twins Payroll Table (spotrac.com)

2024 Minnesota Twins Payroll Table (spotrac.com)

The difference between the Twins, Milwaukee, Cleveland, KC, Detroit, and Tampa/Oakland in years past has not been spending.  Looking there for the answers ignores a mountain of history that explains the difference and how those teams have been successful.  

[DJL44]

On 9/25/2024 at 3:22 PM, C-Gangster said:

Why is everyone hating on Rocco. Its our Ownership that's the problem and He has nothing to work with.

He's not helping.

[TheLeviathan]

31 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

According to Spotrac (links below) the 2023 end of year payroll was $156,104,540.  It currently stands at $130,721,902.  We could use opening day numbers but the difference is very small.  So, that’s $25,382,638. 

2023 Minnesota Twins Payroll Table (spotrac.com)

2024 Minnesota Twins Payroll Table (spotrac.com)

The difference between the Twins, Milwaukee, Cleveland, KC, Detroit, and Tampa/Oakland in years past has not been spending.  Looking there for the answers ignores a mountain of history that explains the difference and how those teams have been successful.  

Their justified reason for the cut was 40M in TV revenue.  That money could've been spent on players and one of the reasons for this collapse was a lack of depth on the roster.  It may not have been spent wisely, there are no guarantees.....but it quite likely would've made a difference.  Kneecapping your roster's depth is a good way to have bad things happen.

[LambchoP]

There HAS to be some kind of accountability for this horrible collapse, starting with the manager. He seems to have no baseball IQ or common sense. Guy strikes out four times, ok we'll have you leadoff tomorrow. Margot goes 0-30 pinch hitting? No biggie, we'll just keep trying. That's not managing, that's just being idiotic. Twins need a new manager and hitting coach at the very least.

[Major League Ready]

17 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

Their justified reason for the cut was 40M in TV revenue.  That money could've been spent on players and one of the reasons for this collapse was a lack of depth on the roster.  It may not have been spent wisely, there are no guarantees.....but it quite likely would've made a difference.  Kneecapping your roster's depth is a good way to have bad things happen.

So what?  They cited the TV revenue.  They also had an additional $30M decrease in BAM money.  Does that not count because the media (especially TD writers) ignored that loss.  None of this is a direct comparison of spending so why are you using this number?  We know exactly how much spending was cut.

You are suggesting there was another $40M that could have been spent when they cut spending $25M.  Of course, suggesting spending didn't need to be cut ignores the loss of BAM and whatever they lost in TV revenue.  You are only acknowledging information that you want to recognize.