BREAKING: Twins Trade Jhoan Duran to Philadelphia Phillies

[Doctor Gast]

I have to find something better to do. Following this team with Falvey at the helm is torture. Why couldn't we have Milwaukee's GM instead?

[arby58]

1 minute ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

When we see people that never have a positive thing to say, I always tell my kids to be thankful they don't wake up in the morning looking at the world like those people do.

Amen, brother.

[purplesoldier4u]

Might as well trade the rest of the bullpen because we won't need them for the next couple of years. I bet Buxton and the gang feel super psyched about the future, especially with Falvey and Rocco in control of this Pohlad production of this summertime disaster!

[arby58]

Just now, tony&rodney said:

I appreciate your optimism.

Fangraphs has neither in their Top 200 at the moment. The write-ups of each are damning as to their chances. Keth Law also didn't think much of either as of last March. He does not have either among his ranked prospects. Yes, there are differences between the rankings. I find MLB to be the least useful based on years of following the minor leagues.

Fangraphs - the site that picked the Twins to win the division each of the last two years. 

[purplesoldier4u]

2 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

When we see people that never have a positive thing to say, I always tell my kids to be thankful they don't wake up in the morning looking at the world like those people do.

Says the guy with the "Fire Dan Gladden" moniker.

[Vanimal46]

3 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Thanks.  It's nice to get an unbiased view.

For the record, Sports Illustrated is now an AI article generated hub. This is the picture of the “author” from that article. He looks like he gets carded at any bar he goes to. 

[Doctor Gast]

6 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

When we see people that never have a positive thing to say, I always tell my kids to be thankful they don't wake up in the morning looking at the world like those people do.

Thank you Fire Dan Gladden. Dan Gladden has nothing to do with the condition of this club.

[Mike Sixel]

8 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I expected him up, but maybe they just want to work with him a bit and line his rest up with the rotation slot he's going into.  

I'd hope they want to work on stuff with him. I was merely responding to someone who said he was on the Twins now. 

I think Abel has a shot to be a 3.....but he isn't one, not close (or Philly trades him for more or uses him in Philly). 

[tony&rodney]

1 minute ago, arby58 said:

Sometimes you snooze, you lose. We are not privvy to the discussions with other teams, I assume this was the best offer they had. Teams can move on to other targets. We are seeing that this trade season. 

Yes, true except for the Twins held the cards. The option was no deal. 

If Duran had to go, so does Jax, Stewart, and many others. The failure to make transactions each of the last two years is coming back to haunt the team. No lineup help is arriving but we expect two current starters to depart (Castro and Bader). The team can't hit, so trade for pitching and A ball players? 

[arby58]

22 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

5th place next season is not an unreasonable expectation. The sad part is a regime that has failed at player development is presently in charge of what fully appears to be a rebuild.

I don't get this 'failed at player development' mantra. Starting pitching was seen as a strength until injuries took its toll. They traded for Lopez (for a player they developed), but Ryan, Ober, SWR, Matthews, Festa, etc. are theirs, in terms of development.

They developed Duran, Jax, Varland among the power arms in the bullpen.

In the field, they developed Buxton, Jeffers, Lewis (sorry about injuries, that is not on development), Wallner. That's not 'failed at player development' when that is most of the core of the team.

[Woof Bronzer]

4 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

When we see people that never have a positive thing to say, I always tell my kids to be thankful they don't wake up in the morning looking at the world like those people do.

Every morning I wake up happily thinking "Dan Gladden must be fired"

[TheLeviathan]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'd hope they want to work on stuff with him. I was merely responding to someone who said he was on the Twins now. 

I think Abel has a shot to be a 3.....but he isn't one, not close (or Philly trades him for more or uses him in Philly). 

I really hope they have a plan to unlock some tweeks with him.  The organization has proven a knack for that with pitchers to at least some small degree.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, arby58 said:

Fangraphs - the site that picked the Twins to win the division each of the last two years. 

Are we also going to look at MLB.com and all their predictions?

Look, this trade MIGHT work....but not in the next year or two. And, the TWins are taking all the risk here on it being fair. One player isn't good enough right now to start for Philly, and one is in A ball (A+ as of a week or two ago). 

[tony&rodney]

5 minutes ago, arby58 said:

Fangraphs - the site that picked the Twins to win the division each of the last two years. 

You could just say you do not think Fangraphs has good information. 

FWIW, I picked the Twins for 83 wins while an overwhelming number of Twins Daily people picked the Twins to win the AL Central.

 

[Riverbrian]

11 minutes ago, glunn said:

Maybe Mauer could help develop the young catchers?

Something... Anything other than what has been developing our catchers to this point. 

I'm ready to turn catcher development over to AI. 

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, arby58 said:

I don't get this 'failed at player development' mantra. Starting pitching was seen as a strength until injuries took its toll. They traded for Lopez (for a player they developed), but Ryan, Ober, SWR, Matthews, Festa, etc. are theirs, in terms of development.

They developed Duran, Jax, Varland among the power arms in the bullpen.

In the field, they developed Buxton, Jeffers, Lewis (sorry about injuries, that is not on development), Wallner. That's not 'failed at player development' when that is most of the core of the team.

They've had modest success developing pitchers. 

Developing an everyday lineup has been an abject failure. 

Before you object to point 2 above, tell me what thread you're in.

[SwainZag]

I think Abel is being slept on.  While he is no Painter, if he has fixed his control problems which plagued him most of his minor league career, he has some pretty high upside and is only 23.

[USAFChief]

11 minutes ago, arby58 said:

Fangraphs - the site that picked the Twins to win the division each of the last two years. 

Where did you pick the Twins to finish?

[Beast]

I could’ve used a higher upside prospect.  But, hey, they did something.

I don’t know how people can be upset about a sell off.  This roster was/is going nowhere.  It’s the only path, since we all know they couldn’t add anymore payroll.  I have no interest in their typical risk averse half-measures.  I’ll be upset if they stop here.

[NYCTK]

6 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

You could just say you do not think Fangraphs has good information. 

FWIW, I picked the Twins for 83 wins while an overwhelming number of Twins Daily people picked the Twins to win the AL Central.

 

I had them at 76. Now where's my cookie. 

[arby58]

2 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

I think Abel is being slept on.  While he is no Painter, if he has fixed his control problems which plagued him most of his minor league career, he has some pretty high upside and is only 23.

SI gave the Phillies an A- and the Twins a B+. Their write up on the Twins side:

"The Twins were certainly hoping to get their hands on Painter, but Abel is an excellent consolation prize. Though he had a 5.04 ERA in his first six starts, he was sensational in his debut, striking out nine batters while surrendering five hits and no runs against the Padres. His upside his high, and he won't be as under as much pressure to perform right away with the Twins not contending just yet.

Minnesota's farm system was lacking a top right-handed pitching prospect, and they received just that in Abel, as well as a developmental piece in Tait who could potentially be an everyday catcher in the majors down the line."

[Fatbat]

This trade sucks.

[cHawk]

That's unfortunate. Duran is great, sad to see him no longer on the Twins. I will root for him with the Phillies, and in this coming postseason.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

13 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

For the record, Sports Illustrated is now an AI article generated hub. This is the picture of the “author” from that article. He looks like he gets carded at any bar he goes to. 

His fake ID is McLovin’

[arby58]

6 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Something... Anything other than what has been developing our catchers to this point. 

I'm ready to turn catcher development over to AI. 

Jeffers wasn't a developed catcher?

[olerud]

They should've waited they could've got more! I'm not a fan of this at all!!!!!

[jorgenswest]

1 hour ago, PseudoSABR said:

You don't know that.  Value goes down with less control and without the pressure of pennate race. 

Don’t disagree. I think the two year value went down to what they received today. It wasn’t enough. Players with three years control don’t get moved at the deadline because they are too expensive. They get moved when teams take less than they are worth.

If the Twins are looking for relief help next year and they aren’t getting significant help from these two they won’t get a Duran back in trade. It is easy to trade a Duran. It is very hard to acquire one. 

[USAFChief]

20 minutes ago, glunn said:

Maybe Mauer could help develop the young catchers?

I have a hard time thinking Mauer is going to leave his family and go ride busses in Florida for months coaching A ball catchers.

For one thing I doubt he needs the money.

Maybe a week at spring training.

[Doctor Gast]

16 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

You could just say you do not think Fangraphs has good information. 

FWIW, I picked the Twins for 83 wins while an overwhelming number of Twins Daily people picked the Twins to win the AL Central.

 

You were generous. I picked them if they were lucky 80 wins (& that's not hindsight). Not because the core was bad but because Falvey & Co is that bad. And they'll continue to be bad until Falvey is gone. They do practically nothing to help this club in the offseason & the deadline. They normally do more harm than good. & then the team has to suffer through the season. When will the Pohlads wake up?

[GNess]

I think it is an unfair characterization to label Abel a "4th" starter at this point.