Would you sign Andrelton Simmons to a one-year, $5m contract?

[Brock Beauchamp]

44 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I think a moderator bringing up their stance on vaccines, should open up the conservation the opposite way. (I am in no way making that case)

Anyone in this topic is free to state they believe Simmons should be retained due to his stance on vaccinations, which is the opposite of what has been said.

I honestly don't understand what you're getting at here, as people are stating their opinions for ditching/retaining Simmons' services for a variety of reasons.

If the conversation becomes a debate about the politicization of vaccinations and an argument about whether they're good or bad, then yes, the conversation will be closed.

Because then the conversation is about vaccines, not Andrelton Simmons.

I'm not sure why this is unclear. No one has even said anything that bad about Simmons other than they don't like his opinion on something. I mean, this is a discussion forum. That's well within the bounds of a topic about a player to politely state one's opinion about things that player has said and done publicly.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

Would I want to sign Simmons again, you ask? I'd sooner drive from North Carolina to New York backwards. 

[RpR]

I would give him an extra 2 million, Donaldson, Buxton and He give the Twins at least a partial excellent defense.

[Mark G]

I have been saying for some time that he keeps continuity in a solid defensive infield (assuming it consists of Donaldson, him, Polanco, and Kirilloff) with him covering Donaldson's limited range and leaving Polanco at 2nd where he clearly belongs.  When the day comes that someone from within beats him out of the job, or if Miranda beats out Donaldson, then a new continuity can begin for an even longer amount of time.  But musical chairs up the middle is never a good thing.  Bucks injuries, Polanco going back and forth, and trying out young SS's would destroy the most important part of a teams defense.  Keep Buck healthy and keep the infield intact; Simmons is too good a defensive SS to pass up on the chance a rookie works out.  Give Simmons a 1 year contract with a team option for a 2nd year with a reasonable buy out and groom his replacement in whatever time that takes.  

[tarheeltwinsfan]

7 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

 

There's a big demand for Simmons and I don't doubt a team like the Yankees will gobble him up 

I hope the Yankees do gobble him up. I hate the Yankees. 

[chpettit19]

Would I bring him back if they sign a couple veteran starters (Rodon and Pineda at the least)? I guess.

Would I bring him back if they don't sign any veteran pitchers and improve the staff? No.

Early on the caveat to everything this offseason was "depends what they do with Buxton," and now it's "depends what they do with the pitching." If they don't improve the staff I don't get the point of signing Simmons. If they're going with a young staff and 2022 is the start of the next wave and seeing what you have I say go all in on it. Start Palacios, Lewis, or Martin at SS.

Not sure the Twins see Palacios as a great option since I don't believe they protected him in the Rule 5. Unless they knew the Rule 5 was going to get canceled (in which case why protect anyone?) I think not protecting him spoke volumes on their plans on starting him at SS next year.

I don't see Simmons as a great bounce back candidate. I think he's toast with the stick. Unless he changes basically his entire approach to hitting I just don't think he can hit at all anymore. If they bring in some veteran arms and are giving it a shot at the start of the year then a veteran SS makes sense and there's nobody head and shoulders ahead of him once you get beyond Correa and Story (as far as FA go) so why not him? But if they're going young everywhere else I'd prefer they just go young at SS. Especially if the service time manipulation is figured out over the next couple months.

[USAFChief]

I don't know, he's a decent bounce back candidate and still provides above average D at SS.  The thing is, even if he does bounce back, you're still getting a weak hitter.

 

Here's what I don't like: the front office has put themselves in a position where this is even in the realm of possibilities. 

 

Yet another data point in my ever growing list of negative data points on their tenure.

 

 

[Tibs]

If the option is Simmons or nothing then yeah absolutely

[Old fox]

Yes, if you lack faith in Lewis & Martin to the bigs in 22.

[theBOMisthebomb]

1. Nah

2. Nope

3. No way

4. Sorry

5. Not now

6. Certainly not

7. By no means

8. I shall not.

9. Not likely

10. No thanks!

11. I think not.

12. Unfortunately not

13. I’m slammed

14. Not possible

15. Not this time

16. Not for me, thanks

17. It’s not my thing

18. I think I’ll pass.

19. Not today, thanks

20. I wish I could but…

21. I’m taking sometime

22. Maybe another time

23. I’m not interested

24. If only I could!

25. If only it worked

26. I’ll need to bow out

27. I’m afraid I can’t

28. I have something else

29. I don’t think I want to

30. Thanks, but no thanks

31. Rats! Would’ve loved to

32. Not now, but another time

33. I’m honored, but I can’t

34. I wish I were able to

35. Darn! Not able to fit it in

36. I won’t be able to help

37. I’d love to – but can’t

38. I’d rather not, thanks

39. I wish I could make it work

40. I wish there were two of me

41. I find the idea undesirable

42. Apologies, but I can’t make it.

43. I’m not able to make that time

44. I’m booked into something else

45. Sadly I have something else

46. Sounds great, but I can’t commit.

47. No thank you, but it sounds lovely

48. We appreciate the offer, however…

49. Unfortunately, it’s not a good time

50. No thanks, I won’t be able to make it

51. Thanks for thinking of me but I can’t

52. No thanks, I have another commitment

53. I appreciate your time, but no thank you

54. I’m not really into it, but thanks for asking!

55. I’m not taking on anything else right now.

[Wax Kepler]

Yes! He can back up the new SS we just signed... Byron Buxton

[TheLeviathan]

At this point 2022 is a non-competitive roster.  That being the case at-bats need to be treated as upside investments.  Simmons upside is "not horrible aging defender".  No thanks.

[stringer bell]

Simmons is still a good defender, but I think his range is diminishing. He really doesn't have much leg speed but gets by with good reactions and good positioning. I really wonder if he will continue to be significantly better than average in the future.  I thought his approach at the plate was borderline awful last year and it was really seldom that he hit the ball hard.  I don't know if there will be a huge bounceback for him.

That said, I don't think there is any in-house candidate that can be trusted to capably fill the shortstop position to start the '22 season. Bringing in Simmons for a season, if he is, in fact, a positive factor in the clubhouse isn't a terrible idea. I have my eye on a couple of displaced shortstops (Kiner-Falefa & Segura) and second-tier options (Villar & Iglesias) who could move in and then perhaps be supplanted by a Martin or Lewis or maybe Palacios. 

[Thegrin]

Sure. Nothing is sillier than watching Simmons at bat.  Like Benny Hill playing baseball.

[wsnydes]

For me, the best argument for signing Simmons is that he's easily expendable once an in house option is ready.  If that is the plan, I can accept that for $5M.

And if he's a solid player in the process, perhaps even to the point where he's not expendable, then that is just gravy.  And I'd definitely take that for $5M.

However, I'd prefer other options.  But bringing him back for $5M isn't the worst thing that could happen.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

2 hours ago, Old fox said:

Yes, if you lack faith in Lewis & Martin to the bigs in 22.

Wouldn’t signing a stop gap signify MORE confidence in Lewis and/or Martin? After all if you had less, you’d have ponied up for a long term contract

[DocBauer]

8 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Story

Villar

Iglesis

Palacios

 

 

 

Simmons

I have no confidence in him. And if the other players actually think he's a good teammate, I want him and his antivaccine stance far, far away from the rest of the young impressionable guys.

I like your thought process and kind of  agree. If the Twins bring in Story...which I don't think will happen...I'd be excited. I just don't know that I trust his offense going forward.

I like Villar or Iglesias on a short deal quite a bit. I'm actually intrigued by Goodrum but not entirely sold.

Personally, I don't like Simmons anti-vaccination stance, or his openess in sharing his thoughts, but I don't hold his opinion against him. I like his defense, instincts and leadership in the field, even if his defense slipped a bit. If he's good in the clubhouse, then he's good with me. While I have no great expectations for him offensively, he was pretty decent for about 4-5yrs before 2021. I think he's a real bounceback candidate to be at least decent again.

So I am not dismissing him as our 2022 SS for $5M.

 

[wavedog]

At the start of the offseason Simmons was my 3rd or 4th fallback choice and it looks like we have reached that fallback position level because we are not going to spend the $ to get Correa and not too wild about Story - so I would be OK on a 1-year deal - hopefully for between $3M-$5M.   Let him start the season and see if any of our other options develop well in the minors to get a call-up.   

[KirbyDome89]

1 hour ago, wsnydes said:

For me, the best argument for signing Simmons is that he's easily expendable once an in house option is ready.  If that is the plan, I can accept that for $5M.

And if he's a solid player in the process, perhaps even to the point where he's not expendable, then that is just gravy.  And I'd definitely take that for $5M.

However, I'd prefer other options.  But bringing him back for $5M isn't the worst thing that could happen.

In theory I agree, but I probably have a little less faith than you do that the Twins would be quick to move on from Simmons if he's signed. The Twins were still jerking Nick Gordon around in August because a "logjam," prevented him from getting regular playing time. This is a team that publicly stated that the second half of '21 was about the development of young players, then optioned a young SS/CF that they needed to make a roster decision on after playing him sparingly, in favor of a journeyman 30 year old platoon OFer, and all the while Simmons, still abysmal at the plate,  continued to be entrenched at SS. 

I'm with Chief, the fact this is a consideration pisses me off. That good will from the Buxton extension wore off relatively fast. 

[jorgenswest]

No. I am not looking for a stop gap. Before Simmons or similar one year fix…

I would go with Polanco at SS and Arraez at 2B.
I would give Gordon at shot at SS. 
I would be aggressive with Lewis and Martin and give the winner in spring the job.

I don’t care if they have the money to be able to sign a one year stop gap. I am looking beyond whatever portion of the 2022 season happens after the lockout.

 

[bean5302]

7 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

For those of you suggesting Jermaine Palacios as the Twins starting SS, what is the back up plan if starts out not good or gets hurt?

IMO they have to sign a vet, and it should be the cheapest one (unless it is the best one available) , because if Palacios, Lewis or Martin start out on fire and should be brought up, I don't want them sitting in the minors because of vet SS.

Simmons is a bad player. Like, worse than AAA replacement level so you know he's terrible from the get-go. If the Twins don't care if their shortstop is better than AAA replacement level, then there's no reason to worry about Palacios or Gordon because I can't imagine either one being significantly worse than Simmons.

[USAFChief]

5 hours ago, theBOMisthebomb said:

1. Nah

2. Nope

3. No way

4. Sorry

5. Not now

6. Certainly not

7. By no means

8. I shall not.

9. Not likely

10. No thanks!

11. I think not.

12. Unfortunately not

13. I’m slammed

14. Not possible

15. Not this time

16. Not for me, thanks

17. It’s not my thing

18. I think I’ll pass.

19. Not today, thanks

20. I wish I could but…

21. I’m taking sometime

22. Maybe another time

23. I’m not interested

24. If only I could!

25. If only it worked

26. I’ll need to bow out

27. I’m afraid I can’t

28. I have something else

29. I don’t think I want to

30. Thanks, but no thanks

31. Rats! Would’ve loved to

32. Not now, but another time

33. I’m honored, but I can’t

34. I wish I were able to

35. Darn! Not able to fit it in

36. I won’t be able to help

37. I’d love to – but can’t

38. I’d rather not, thanks

39. I wish I could make it work

40. I wish there were two of me

41. I find the idea undesirable

42. Apologies, but I can’t make it.

43. I’m not able to make that time

44. I’m booked into something else

45. Sadly I have something else

46. Sounds great, but I can’t commit.

47. No thank you, but it sounds lovely

48. We appreciate the offer, however…

49. Unfortunately, it’s not a good time

50. No thanks, I won’t be able to make it

51. Thanks for thinking of me but I can’t

52. No thanks, I have another commitment

53. I appreciate your time, but no thank you

54. I’m not really into it, but thanks for asking!

55. I’m not taking on anything else right now.

I've seen some posts in my day, but that. Was. AWEsome.

[Monkeypaws]

7 hours ago, Old fox said:

Yes, if you lack faith in Lewis & Martin to the bigs in 22.

Lewis hasn't played a single game since 2019 due to covid/knee surgery. Thrusting him into MLB service after that time, and his 33 games at AA, doesn't seem like putting him into a position to succeed.

[Brandon]

Why not sign both Simmons and Goodrum so we can have 2 choices.  Simmons at 5 million can be traded or moved to a bench role if someone can out perform him.  Goodrum wont cost much either, maybe 2 million.  Palacious will be in AA or AAA and waiting so we have options.  lots of options.

[ashbury]

I did not witness Simmons's swing in 2021 and think to myself, "dang, that .256 BABIP is just bad luck."  I don't see a bounce back coming.  The benchmark .300 BABIP assumes a major league swing, not whatever that was.

[wsnydes]

9 hours ago, KirbyDome89 said:

In theory I agree, but I probably have a little less faith than you do that the Twins would be quick to move on from Simmons if he's signed. The Twins were still jerking Nick Gordon around in August because a "logjam," prevented him from getting regular playing time. This is a team that publicly stated that the second half of '21 was about the development of young players, then optioned a young SS/CF that they needed to make a roster decision on after playing him sparingly, in favor of a journeyman 30 year old platoon OFer, and all the while Simmons, still abysmal at the plate,  continued to be entrenched at SS. 

I'm with Chief, the fact this is a consideration pisses me off. That good will from the Buxton extension wore off relatively fast. 

Note that I said IF that is the plan.  I'm not crazy about the consideration either, but there are worse things that could happen.

[TwinsDr2021]

9 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Simmons is a bad player. Like, worse than AAA replacement level so you know he's terrible from the get-go. If the Twins don't care if their shortstop is better than AAA replacement level, then there's no reason to worry about Palacios or Gordon because I can't imagine either one being significantly worse than Simmons.

I wasn't asking if Simmons is a bad player, or if the twins should sign him, I asked what the back up plan to Palacios starting the season as opening day.

But if the Twins think either Palacios or Gordon can put up a 1.5 WAR next year as the starting short stop, then they should be the starting short stop and they should sign Maggi or somebody like him and put him in AAA as the back up plan.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

23 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I wasn't asking if Simmons is a bad player, or if the twins should sign him, I asked what the back up plan to Palacios starting the season as opening day.

But if the Twins think either Palacios or Gordon can put up a 1.5 WAR next year as the starting short stop, then they should be the starting short stop and they should sign Maggi or somebody like him and put him in AAA as the back up plan.

It’s the same question for Simmons. He’s a bounce back candidate that might not bounce back. I would imagine Gordon and Palacios would be your fallback and there’s a high likelihood they get extended service time (or we wish they would)

AAA fodder is required with or without Simmons

[TopGunn#22]

They have the money to sign Story now that they dithered on FA pitchers,  but as has been written, signing Story is unlikely.  I'm in the "NO" camp for Simmons.  I'd rather trade for Mondesi or DeJong or someone similar and see how Palacios as well as Lewis and Martin develop.  But going to the "Simmons" well is not an option for me.  Let the Yankees give him $15 (just because they can) !!    

[TwinsDr2021]

23 minutes ago, Sconnie said:

It’s the same question for Simmons. He’s a bounce back candidate that might not bounce back. I would imagine Gordon and Palacios would be your fallback and there’s a high likelihood they get extended service time (or we wish they would)

AAA fodder is required with or without Simmons

I get this thread is about Simmons, and I don't want them to sign him, but if it is him or Palacios, I go with if Simmons even if he doesn't bounce back he is still a 1.5 WAR player, and force the rookies to prove they belong. Maybe not the best plan, but at least it is a plan.