Whom Should Brooks Lee Replace on Twins Roster?

[T.O.]

4 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

The bottom line is that what we're doing now is not working and there isn't much evidence to suggest that's going to change much.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.  That's what we're doing.

In my fantasies Correa agrees to be sent to St Paul, another team picks him up on waivers, along with his salary. Lee takes his place and is allowed plenty of time to make it or break it.
Can't be worse than what we have now. Maybe on defense but it would be nice to try.

I can dream.

[rv78]

  5 hours ago, miller761 said:

Lee better show he can hit first,

 

Why? No else has.

[Bodie]

5 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

They just need the glove. Plenty of others around to not hit either.

And Gasper is the answer. Did we get any comments that they preferred him over Julien at second? Could also be a little bit of a continued try out for him or a lineup anomaly.

I see no reason to think he's better at second than Julien. Julien is just below average, Gasper is actively bad.

I'll invite you over for a beer this evening.  I have the twins.tv deal, so you can actually see Julien play.  "Actively bad" is what I've seen out of him since he was first called up.  He has no positive defensive traits whatsoever.

And waiting for him to prove himself as a DH is a luxury this team cannot afford.

I'll take Gasper 100 % of the time over Julien. Not a pretty choice, but bordering on a no-brainer if you see any future for Julien. He is lost, and even worse, has shown no sign he gives a fiddler's fuc...

[Dawgzilla]

Gasper and Julien need to go down, Miranda a little more time, then make a move if no improvement!

 

Brooks Lee should be rostered when healthy and Royce too, obviously.

 

 

[Jocko87]

25 minutes ago, Bodie said:

I'll invite you over for a beer this evening.  I have the twins.tv deal, so you can actually see Julien play.  "Actively bad" is what I've seen out of him since he was first called up.  He has no positive defensive traits whatsoever.

And waiting for him to prove himself as a DH is a luxury this team cannot afford.

I'll take Gasper 100 % of the time over Julien. Not a pretty choice, but bordering on a no-brainer if you see any future for Julien. He is lost, and even worse, has shown no sign he gives a fiddler's fuc...

I actually live in Wichita and have watched a bunch of these guys in person, also have Twins Tv.  I was leading the trade Julien train two years ago.  

Don’t create a boogie man to argue with, I never said Julien was good.  

He’s just light years better than Gasper. 

I will let you buy me the beer though.

[Rufus]

When you have a team that has a starting line up with a starting line up with 7 hitters below the Mendoza line the choice is rather easy

[Bodie]

Just now, Jocko87 said:

I actually live in Wichita and have watched a bunch of these guys in person, also have Twins Tv.  I was leading the trade Julien train two years ago.  

Don’t create a boogie man to argue with, I never said Julien was good.  

He’s just light years better than Gasper. 

I will let you buy me the beer though.

Fair enough.  This whole tread (if this was about a competently run team) is basically about arranging nos. 22, 23 and 24 guys on your team.  Nobody is going to do much more than "hold the fort", and that'd better be for the very short term.  But it is the 2020's Twins, so everyone will play regularly so no one gets butthurt.

 

Hmmm, I might be getting a little too salty about this...

[Doc Lenz]

Gasper to Fargo Moorhead

send Julien down Martin up 

[Doctor Gast]

51 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.... I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly:

You are saying that the main, possibly only thing stopping DaShawn Kiersey from being a 5.6+WAR player is Rocco Baldelli and his unwillingness to play him more?

I understand the current hate for Rocco, but this?  Really?

I don't hate anyone. Rooker came around in his age 30. All I'm saying that players like Keirsey & Rooker's potential is easily overlooked by Baldelli & others. Keirsey is a better fielder & runner than Rooker. Keirsey's MLB slugging potential hasn't been given a chance to develop yet. WAR is a poor way to evaluate a player, some are worse than others. 5.6+ WAR for a DH is ridiculous.

[KirbyDome89]

2 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

I don't think you're right about Keaschall. He's playing every day in St. Paul, about half the time at 2B and about half at DH. I understand but disagree with the argument that it's too early but I don't think health is a legitimate reason to hold off a promotion. 

I'd be thrilled if Lee went .650, then .800, then .900 in OPS at AAA. But isn't that an argument to wait at least 2-3 weeks so he can adjust? I'm talking about what we should do now, not May 1.  

I think we can all agree that Gaspar doesn't bring enough to the table to be on an MLB roster. I think Keaschall is ready enough now to get an opportunity. That doesn't stop Lee from coming up even as soon as a week or two from now. He can replace Keaschall if he hasn't performed, Keirsey if we've decided not to play him (Castro becomes the 5th OF) or whichever of Julien or Miranda is still in the dumps. This isn't an either/or choice. We have a guy in Gaspar that is 1-30 career and a poor IF. His primary value appears to be as a 3rd catcher which would have value if we had 2 good hitting catchers that we might want to occasionally get in the lineup together or regularly pinch hit on their days off. We don't. Vasquez hasn't hit much in now in 2 plus years. I feel bad saying this but Gaspar provides no real value to this team. Let's get someone up who might.  

This. I guess people assume Lee's first go round last season and/or his ST are just an aberration? Castro can be your everyday 2B if defense is that much of a concern. That's why he's on the roster. Everybody wants Gasper out because a scuffling offense can't afford to carry all these struggling hitters. I don't understand the rush to plug in somebody who has also struggled. 

[Doctor Gast]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I endorse this post. You putting Castro or Keaschell at 2B, until Lewis returns (I assume Lee is your 3B?)?

Yes, I prefer Lee at 3B. I'd prefer Keaschall to be 100% before being called up at 2B & I don't know how great Castro is at 2B, he's more valuable at being utility & how available he'd be at 2B with Lee's availability & Correa needing a break once in a while.

[David HK]

Does it matter?  Pretty much anybody at this point.

[DocBauer]

I am reminded of offseason disicussions/debates about the Twins tossing Emmanuel Rodriguez in to the everyday lineup and just trust in talent and development over time.

Examples included the recent success of Chourio of the Brewers, amongst others. And it's debatable to some degree about too early vs "give it time". I think prudence is justifiable in many/most cases. But I'm starting to see the viability in some cases.

Lee is a good glove man wherever you place him. He has good baseball instincts. He's proven himself at ever MILB level. He's got the ability to be a good hitter. Just PLAY him and let him figure it out. 

Gasper goes down. 

Julien stays for now because of talent and previous production. It's up to him now to figure it out.

Miranda also has the ability to be very good. It's also up to him to figure it out.

They're both safe for NOW. But in a few weeks, Lewis should be back. And someone else will be sent down.

There's a really strong chance that Keaschall will be ready by June. He needs and deserves a little more time to get his game together. 

It might feel a little unfair to look at past results and potential of Julien and Miranda as part of the roster with previous production and potential production, but if they DON'T take another step, they might be passed by relatively soon.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

9 hours ago, IndianaTwin said:

Crud -- I shouldn't have gone to the break room to heat my lunch. You beat me to saying essentially this statement. 

Based on usage to date, it would point to Gasper or Kiersey, but sending Kiersey down would be demoting someone who has a specific talent (speed and defense) and would likely require some outfield time for Castro. Thus, I think it's Gasper.

What I think you're saying, and what I agree with, is that if Lee doesn't hit, it's still better to have his defense in the lineup than have Miranda or Julien not hitting and not helping the defense. And even on days when you want to start Miranda or Julien, Lee provides an opportunity for a late-inning defensive replacement that Gasper doesn't. 

I’d send Miranda to AAA for a reset, and have Gasper rot on the bench.

[mikelink45]

Wait a minute. Is this really a question?  

[Mike Sixel]

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

I don't hate anyone. Rooker came around in his age 30. All I'm saying that players like Keirsey & Rooker's potential is easily overlooked by Baldelli & others. Keirsey is a better fielder & runner than Rooker. Keirsey's MLB slugging potential hasn't been given a chance to develop yet. WAR is a poor way to evaluate a player, some are worse than others. 5.6+ WAR for a DH is ridiculous.

Ya. Baldelli let Rooker go. He also convinced all the other teams to pass on him. Then Oakland only calling him up when others were hurt. All Baldelli....

[ddubbl1]

Julien first, then if Gasper has no hits in next 8 games, he goes as well. Miranda has at least driven in some runs and has possible future homers. Bring in next couple guys and maybe another catcher? Start looking around for a couple trades. Bring in bats for prospects!!!

[dxpavelka]

20 hours ago, miller761 said:

Lee better show he can hit first,

 

Not gonna do that at st paul

 

[dxpavelka]

We're 4-8.  The answer is pretty much ANYBODY

[dxpavelka]

20 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Nobody. He can't hit and he was weak defensively due to the lack of athleticism last year. He needs a solid 200 PA in AAA showing he's able to produce at the plate. Unless the Twins are ready to write him off entirely as a backup who gets sporadic playing time.

You are saying a top 10 draft choice can't hit based on 185 big league plate appearances.  I see a bright future.  For YOU.  In a big league front office.

[dxpavelka]

18 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Keirsey's 3 PAs or a bunch of PAs from Julien & Gasper is a player evaluation problem not a player problem. How can you hit with so few PAs? But as long as Baldelli is around, he'd be better off with a different club, that'll give him a chance. He could be a better player than Rooker.

[dxpavelka]

18 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Keirsey's 3 PAs or a bunch of PAs from Julien & Gasper is a player evaluation problem not a player problem. How can you hit with so few PAs? But as long as Baldelli is around, he'd be better off with a different club, that'll give him a chance. He could be a better player than Rooker.

Kiersey is a 4A ball player.  He's got 4 OF in front of him.  2 of them are even hitting.  The only good thing that comes if Kiersey has to play is that it's almost football season.

[LambchoP]

Julien and Gasper are black holes at second base. Lee should replace one of them, probably Gasper. Then when Lewis comes back, Julien can get sent down. I think Miranda could benefit from a AAA trip, but there's really nobody to replace him other than Castro. Hopefully Lewis is back soon. Also hopefully Keaschal starts to play the field more often, as his bat could really help this miserable lineup as well 

[stringer bell]

I confess to not having seen too much Twins baseball this season (and maybe that's a good thing), so I'm probably more swayed by what little I've seen. Gasper's brutal error on Tuesday is fresh in my mind and I saw all of his PAs and they were poor as well. I like the idea of having a guy on the bench that can get a pinch single and fill in at both second and first base as well as finish a blowout at catcher, but he has to be able to hit and so far Gasper has looked pretty clueless at the plate, with most of his PAs coming from his weak side. I'd rather see Austin Martin or a host of other minor leaguers fill the role Gasper has been assigned. 

I think Lee would provide satisfactory defense at second or third and provide a decent backup for Correa. Again, he's got to hit to be a real asset. We've seen this movie the last three years early in the season. The tea is on the bottom of almost every offensive stat. They're slow and ungifted most places in the field and it is tough to watch and cheer for them. The offense will improve, but the team might still be fatally flawed. Yesterday's win was nice, but unless they start playing much better immediately, I can see things going pretty bad.

To the OP, yeah, call up Lee whenever he can play nine innings three days in a row and Gasper is the best bet to be sent down. Fixing the whole team is a lot tougher call and several guys need to get it going.

[bean5302]

17 hours ago, T.O. said:

In my fantasies Correa agrees to be sent to St Paul, another team picks him up on waivers, along with his salary. Lee takes his place and is allowed plenty of time to make it or break it.
Can't be worse than what we have now. Maybe on defense but it would be nice to try.

I can dream.

If that actually happened, @DJL44 would be be correct on the Twins going full rebuild mode.

[Jeff K]

If only one Player then It's easily Gasper as most have said.  I think several moves should be made:

Lee UP and either Martin or Keachel as well.

Gasper released and Julien sent down.  I've been quite negative about Julien; however, he is showing some signs of life.  He needs to be at AAA to truly get it together with his hitting and finding a position.

[RpR]

After the last game against Kansas City, GASPER is NOT the problem.

Miranda , and Wallner are.

[Rosterman]

I would consider swapping out Kiersey and Gasper for Martin and Lee.

[DJL44]

5 hours ago, RpR said:

After the last game against Kansas City, GASPER is NOT the problem.

Miranda , and Wallner are.

Wallner's been playing great. His OBP is like 80-100 points higher than everyone else on the team and he has the most extra base hits. What the hell do you want from him?

[RpR]

2 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Wallner's been playing great. His OBP is like 80-100 points higher than everyone else on the team and he has the most extra base hits. What the hell do you want from him?

Yep 37 percent K rate just what the Twins really need. LOL.