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No matter what happens the rest of this series, this Twins team was REALLY FUN TO WATCH THIS YEAR. My 12 year old got me into baseball again this year, and I haven't had this much fun watching basebal

Hopefully these losses send a clear message to the FO that they need to provide Rocco with better pitching next season.

I agree but they have to take my phone calls and listen. 

 

Lying down in the playoffs embarrasses the team by proving they dont belong there and us as fans for ever thinking they did. Either the team is average at best or they quit. There is no third option. We all know the Yankees are not as good as the Twins have made them appear to be.

 

If the Yankees aren't as good as the Twins have made them appear to be than what does that make the Twins? 

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What still shocks me, is that they didn't play Kepler before the playoffs, they rolled the dice on Arraez ankle, they completely out-smarted themselves by saving their second best starter and 2 of 3 best relievers for elimination game. They also have had opportunities to pull pitchers before the 'wheels flew off', and waited one batter too long (Gibson, Duffey, Stashak). We should be disappointed with our hitters swinging at **** pitches on 3rd strike from Pax and Tanaka - Pax's bounced in front of the plate, but plate discipline has never been a strength (we should have scouted better and given all our K-victims take signals). Our ridiculous number of walks is mind-boggling against a team of free-swingers (which the Yankees are), and shows a gutless approach to challenging hitters. That is the game in a nutshell.

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Dobnak and the rest of the guys can say that they didn't have nerves these last 2 games, but I don't believe them in the slightest. Especially the guys that haven't been in a postseason atmosphere before. I 100% believe this is psychological, and the Twins just don't have enough guys on their roster that are mentally tough enough to deal with the pressure right now in order to win. Twins NEED to bring in at least 1 starter and a couple more relievers in the offseason that have had big time postseason pressure put on them before. 

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The Yankees had very good advanced scouting and executed a plan accordingly for game 1. Twins coaching staff/hitters made no adjustments for game 2 and made it easy on their pitchers. Yankees approach seemed simple.. fastball up or off the plate, breaking ball over for strikes, and of course the slider/splitter in the dirt, which somehow the Twins are thinking is a hittable pitch this post season.

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Fire the manager until we get a playoff manager who actually reads scouting reports.  Baldelli, thus far, is as incompetent as Gardenhire was.  Solid in the regular season, then his brains turn into water for the playoffs.  How do you not play healthy guys, fail to scout the other team's pitching, fail to scout the other team's hitting, and fail to show up prepared to play?  In the civilian world Baldelli would be fired.

 

At least when Molitor and Kelly were around the teams showed up to play, regardless of the talent level.

 

12 in a row - why didn't we just forfeit as soon as we saw it was the Yankees?  

I guess you would rather have seen Lamonte Wade than Kepler. Sometimes the decisions you have to make aren't good ones.

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Okay, let's start talking about 2020. Dobnak, Littell, Duffey and the boys should burn this drubbing into their memories. Don't forget the bitterness, the embarrassment, the humiliation, etc. Instead, use those awful feelings to bolster your resolve to become far tougher next year. It is time to murder, dismember and bury all the emotional vulnerabilities you brought to this humiliating mismatch. Time to get tougher than rawhide. Time to chew nails and spit out carpet tacks. 

 

I don't care if next year's team sets a record for home runs. What I don't want to see is a Twins squad that can't field their positions. I don't want to see Twins pitchers throwing meatballs down the middle, or issuing free passes to hitters. I also don't want to see enemy hitters leaning out over the plate without getting a 95 mph reminder why you don't do that to Twins pitchers. 

 

Enough Minnesota Nice. Time for the baseball world to find out what Minnesota Mean looks like. 

 

This is what we all said the last time the Twins got crushed by the Yankees in the playoffs. And the time before that also. If you haven't seen the movie before, here's what happens next: we miss the playoffs for 7-8 straight years and the nightmare repeats a generation later.

 

It's not about being nice or mean. None of these players are from Minnesota, it's not a cultural war between the Midwest and the East Coast.  It's simply one team having resources and spending money vs. another team that doesn't have as much resources and doesn't spend as much money. It's the Waldorf Astoria vs. Extended Stay America.

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Serious question: have we all given up on this team already?

 

There's still hope the Twins can nab a game at home on Monday, you know.

 

Oh yeah, these first two games have been a gut punch. Couldn't have gone worse, really. Frustrating. But they just need to win 3 straight. One game at a time. If they can take a game on Monday, this series becomes interesting again.

 

But remember that double-header sweep in Cleveland? We need that mojo back. Is it too late?

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Serious question: have we all given up on this team already?

 

There's still hope the Twins can nab a game at home on Monday, you know.

 

Oh yeah, these first two games have been a gut punch. Couldn't have gone worse, really. Frustrating. But they just need to win 3 straight. One game at a time. If they can take a game on Monday, this series becomes interesting again.

 

But remember that double-header sweep in Cleveland? We need that mojo back. Is it too late?

From a logical standpoint, this 5 game series is where it should be after 2 games. The Yankees held serve at home for 2 games, as they should. Now, the Twins have to return the favor and answer with 2 victories at Target Field. Then, it's a winner take all anything goes crapshoot for game 5. That's my belief in this team right now, that they will force a game 5. The Bomba Squad has been special all season and I won't back down from the claim they have some magic left in them. I still have the delusion they can pull off the remarkable comeback against the Yankees and storm off with a head of steam against the Astros in the ALCS.
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ATTENTION downtrodden Twins Daily regulars!

 

I’m leaving the country.

 

I didn’t think it would have to come to this, but it has. For Monday’s game, I will literally be on an airplane leaving the United States. I won’t get back into the country until the series is over. It’s a work trip. You are welcome. You are welcome in advance for the change in the Twin’s fortunes, and you are welcome for the thrilling come-from-behind/oblivion series win. It’s a sacrifice of great proportion on my part, and frankly one that I am not that happy to make, this being the Twins first division title in ten years, but what has to be done, has to done.

 

Baseball history is full of long-suffering fandoms, unbreakable curses, and seemingly insurmountable odds. The long suffering ends, the curses get broken, and the odds are overcome. There is no clock in baseball. Games don’t end until the 27th out is recorded. Series aren’t over until one team closes out the final victory.

 

I refer you to the long history between the Red Sox and Yankees leading up to the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, when unanimously elected Hall of Famer Mariano Rivera had the lead. For a more recent example, I note the Chicago Cubs’ franchise history and century of being the (real) lovable losers. We don’t even need to go back further than Tuesday night, when the Nats, who hadn’t won a post-season series of any kind since moving to DC from Montreal, trailed the Brewers with Josh Hader on the mound.

 

Remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? It’s always darkest before the dawn.

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I agree that to be down to games without getting your best pitcher off the bench is troubling. Was there a more important time in the series than bases loaded in the third? Why not use Rogers then? To save him for a potential save station makes no sense. That inning cost them the game and probably the series. Rogers was their best chance of getting out of that jam.

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The Yankees live in that environment all year long. There seems far more pressure there than occurs in other places, such as Target Tield. Yankees fans expect to get to the playoffs every year. Twins fans hope to. There is a difference.

 

I assume fly ball v ground ball rate was at the heart of the Twins inexplicable decision to start a Dobnak in that high pressure venue. But the single biggest difference overall was plate discipline. Berrios lives off that little breaking ball sliding off the outside corner. I think it was Garver who said they like to start that pitch as a strike and let them chase, but they didn't. Nor did they chase Dobnaks low stuff. And when a sinker ball pitcher has to bring it up, it never ends up well.

 

The Twins somewhat faced the same situation. But they did not lay off the stuff off the plate. While they notoriously feasted on FB all year, they never forced the Yankees to throw them any. Just kept swinging. Sano was the most visible of the bunch, but not at all alone in that regard.

 

The strike zone didn't cost the Twins either game. There were pitches missed for both teams. When fans call for Robo umps, and still complain when a pitch is obviously out of the box, it tells me Robo umps won't stop the whining at all.

 

If you have questionable pitching, and surround it with questionable glove work nothing good will come of it. Every play is magnified, and every out is precious.

 

Remarkably I can see a way for the Twins to get back to NY. It's slim, Ordorizzi would have to become Big Jake. (Google it) Berrios would have to throw at least seven innings on short rest. And Severino would have to misplace his talent. While I wont take bets it's doable.

 

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From a logical standpoint, this 5 game series is where it should be after 2 games. The Yankees held serve at home for 2 games, as they should. Now, the Twins have to return the favor and answer with 2 victories at Target Field. Then, it's a winner take all anything goes crapshoot for game 5. That's my belief in this team right now, that they will force a game 5. The Bomba Squad has been special all season and I won't back down from the claim they have some magic left in them. I still have the delusion they can pull off the remarkable comeback against the Yankees and storm off with a head of steam against the Astros in the ALCS.

The Twins are significantly better on the road than at home.

They needed to split the first 2 to have any shot.

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The Yankees live in that environment all year long. There seems far more pressure there than occurs in other places, such as Target Tield. Yankees fans expect to get to the playoffs every year. Twins fans hope to. There is a difference. I assume fly ball v ground ball rate was at the heart of the Twins inexplicable decision to start a Dobnak in that high pressure venue. But the single biggest difference overall was plate discipline. Berrios lives off that little breaking ball sliding off the outside corner. I think it was Garver who said they like to start that pitch as a strike and let them chase, but they didn't. Nor did they chase Dobnaks low stuff. And when a sinker ball pitcher has to bring it up, it never ends up well. The Twins somewhat faced the same situation. But they did not lay off the stuff off the plate. While they notoriously feasted on FB all year, they never forced the Yankees to throw them any. Just kept swinging. Sano was the most visible of the bunch, but not at all alone in that regard.The strike zone didn't cost the Twins either game. There were pitches missed for both teams. When fans call for Robo umps, and still complain when a pitch is obviously out of the box, it tells me Robo umps won't stop the whining at all. If you have questionable pitching, and surround it with questionable glove work nothing good will come of it. Every play is magnified, and every out is precious. Remarkably I can see a way for the Twins to get back to NY. It's slim, Ordorizzi would have to become Big Jake. (Google it) Berrios would have to throw at least seven innings on short rest. And Severino would have to misplace his talent. While I wont take bets it's doable.

It blows my mind that Garver and the pitchers seem surprised that the strategy of trying to get them to chase those isn't working.

How are they this unprepared for their opponent? Laying off those pitches has been the Yankees MO for as long as Cashman has been in charge. It's why Yankees games take 4 hours, they don't swing at junk. How are they just now realizing that?

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The Yankees live in that environment all year long. There seems far more pressure there than occurs in other places, such as Target Tield. Yankees fans expect to get to the playoffs every year. Twins fans hope to. There is a difference.

 

I assume fly ball v ground ball rate was at the heart of the Twins inexplicable decision to start a Dobnak in that high pressure venue. But the single biggest difference overall was plate discipline. Berrios lives off that little breaking ball sliding off the outside corner. I think it was Garver who said they like to start that pitch as a strike and let them chase, but they didn't. Nor did they chase Dobnaks low stuff. And when a sinker ball pitcher has to bring it up, it never ends up well.

 

The Twins somewhat faced the same situation. But they did not lay off the stuff off the plate. While they notoriously feasted on FB all year, they never forced the Yankees to throw them any. Just kept swinging. Sano was the most visible of the bunch, but not at all alone in that regard.

 

The strike zone didn't cost the Twins either game. There were pitches missed for both teams. When fans call for Robo umps, and still complain when a pitch is obviously out of the box, it tells me Robo umps won't stop the whining at all.

 

If you have questionable pitching, and surround it with questionable glove work nothing good will come of it. Every play is magnified, and every out is precious.

 

Remarkably I can see a way for the Twins to get back to NY. It's slim, Ordorizzi would have to become Big Jake. (Google it) Berrios would have to throw at least seven innings on short rest. And Severino would have to misplace his talent. While I wont take bets it's doable.

And then when the Twins get back to NY for game five, we turn to... Dobnak? :)

 

It unfortunately looks like the Twins out-thought themselves this series, or were way too overconfident behind the scenes. Or something. They were certainly “out-analyticed” up in the front office.

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It blows my mind that Garver and the pitchers seem surprised that the strategy of trying to get them to chase those isn't working.
How are they this unprepared for their opponent? Laying off those pitches has been the Yankees MO for as long as Cashman has been in charge. It's why Yankees games take 4 hours, they don't swing at junk. How are they just now realizing that?

I'd say that it's more about the pitcher's inability to get guys out without relying on hitters chasing than it is surprise.

 

They Yankees, and other legitimate contenders, have lineups full of guys that simply don't chase and don't get themselves out very often. They wear out opposing pitching staffs. That's how they have to win in the regular season and that's the recipe for success in the postseason. That's also not a thing the Twins have done a good job of all year on either side of the ball. They can be free swingers in the AL Central and get away with it. They can throw stuff in the opposite batters box and get away with it in the AL Central. 

 

In my opinion, level of season-long competition plays a huge role in preparing a team for the playoffs. The AL Central has been bad for most if not all of its existence. That's not the end all since there have been WS winners that have come out of the Central, but they're more of the exception in my opinion. This team was built to beat up on the AL Central, not to be a true contender. There are plenty of people on these boards that have been saying that all year. It sucks, but that's the unfortunate reality.

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OK. This series isn’t over. The Twins played and pitched two bad games in a row. They have on occasion put together three “A” games and if they do, they have a chance.

 

I think the 10% number quoted above is about right. I also think that it is far more likely to see a Yankee sweep than anything else, but a win on Monday just might change everything.

 

This has been the most resilient team I’ve ever seen. I won’t give up on them until the final out.

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Here's the difference between the Twins and the Yankees. To the Yankees and their fans, anything less than the world series is considered a failure, whereas most Twins players and fans appear content with a participation certificate. I'm sorry but it's true.

 

It's not about talent. Position for position the Twins have just as much talent as the Yankees. Yes the Twins have some issues with their pitching, but so do the Yankees. This Yankees team was not on par with the the dynasty in the late 90's.

 

Look no further than Saturdays game. After Berrios got pulled after a less than stellar outing everyone was hugging and smiling and patting him on the back as if he had pitched a 2 hit complete game shutout. Until the attitude and expectations of this organization change from the top down we will continue to witness playoff futility.

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And then when the Twins get back to NY for game five, we turn to... Dobnak? :)

It unfortunately looks like the Twins out-thought themselves this series, or were way too overconfident behind the scenes. Or something. They were certainly “out-analyticed” up in the front office.

Speaking of out analyzed? This WAPO piece is semi snarky, but addresses that issue.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/a-former-uber-driver-drew-an-alds-start-in-yankee-stadium-and-the-twins-got-lost/2019/10/05/4556b8e8-e632-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

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I'd say that it's more about the pitcher's inability to get guys out without relying on hitters chasing than it is surprise.

 

 

Garver and the pitchers have been quoted after both games saying that this was their strategy but that the Yankees haven't cooperated.

 

Cody Stashak: “These guys, they weren’t biting at anything. They weren’t chasing, they’re just sitting on strikes.”

 

Mitch Garver: “We were trying to get his breaking ball to start [as] a strike, and early on they weren’t swinging too much,” said catcher Mitch Garver. “Credit to them for taking good at-bats.”

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Judging from the reactions of Frank Thomas and John Smoltz, I get the real sense that a lot of the TV broadcasters are a bit frustrated, maybe disappointed, in the Twins for getting destroyed by the Yankees. I think the expectation for TV was that this would be a very exciting series. It has been, by far, the most dull series in the post-season. 

 

Bingo. Every baseball fan outside of New York City has been pulling for the Twins to be this year's story.

 

This was the equivalent to the dreaded 5 seed vs. 12 seed matchup in the NCAA tournament. Everyone - not just Twins fans - wanted to see Minnesota stick it to the Yankees. This was the upset everyone wanted to see happen. Even New York media outlets were saying this would be a knock-down, drag-out series.

 

The Twins have disappointed their own fans terribly. They've also drawn facepalms and eye rolls from baseball fans all over the country.

 

This has truly been an embarrassment on a national stage. If the Twins get swept, they should be ashamed of themselves and rightfully so.

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