Should Derek Falvey Be Trusted to Make Trade Decisions on Griffin Jax, Jhoan Duran, and Joe Ryan?

[Otaknam]

12 minutes ago, yeahyabetcha said:

I hope you don’t get injured jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon.

Baldelli is an Earl Weaver clone, just waiting for a three run homer. The team doesn’t have great speed, but what they have is not utilized very well IMO. The offense is  not very good, but they seldom try to force some action by stealing bases or hit and run, putting pressure on the defense. 

[1985Fan]

There is no reason for Falvey to trade controllable assets. He has repeatedly stated that he believes that this roster is at least playoff level. He’s backed that up by standing pat at the last two trade deadlines. If he were to go into full rebuild mode now, that would be a 180-degree turn on his opinion. I don’t see Falvey making a 180 turn like that. 
If Correa and Lewis get hot, or even warm, at the plate and get this offense going, this team still has a chance. Both players are showing signs of life, although it may be too late. They can still make a run with Lopez coming back, if the current pitching can hold on until then. 
I believe in what was stated in this OP; new owners should install new FO and manager. Don’t want Falvey making major roster changes that he shouldn’t be around to answer for. 

[John Mickelson]

Absolutely do not trust Falvey on trade decisions. Hoping perspective new owner puts kibosh on trading our value players then looks at complete overhaul meaning adios Falver and Rocco.

[GNess]

The first issue to consider is how long before new ownership. emerges and takes control? If it's imminent then sure put a hold on things for now and let new owners decide the direction.

But if this process takes us well into next season and beyond it would be irresponsible for the Twins to forego participating in a key opportunity to improve their roster and future. (Trades at deadline.) Falvey is presently in-charge so while my confidence is not super high Falvey has to be a MLB FO executive and make executive decisions. 

[hitterscount]

31 minutes ago, yeahyabetcha said:

I hope you don’t get injured jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon.

Trust me I will be fine and uninjured. I've been loving Twin BB since I could walk. The 87 & 91 WS exemplify what a team approach, fundamental baseball can do. Granted it doesn't guarantee WS or even playoff series wins, but it is clean and fun to watch. 

I've been consistent in my displeasure with Baldelli for 18 months... It was time for a break for me and the other posters and fans on this site in my takes on the shortfalls with Baldelli and the apparent lack of team chemistry and simple fundamental baseball seen at the 6th grade level. 

II don't have the same connection to the Brewers that I do the Twins as I still follow daily, w/o watching sloppy games. Instead I did what I said I would do after the Baldelli extension and stopped financially supporting a team with zero direction that plays uninspired and brutal ball more times than not. 

[Craig Arko]

Pretty sure what any of us thinks about this is irrelevant. 

[twinstalker]

2 hours ago, Maybebaby said:

DO NOT TRADE RYAN UNDER ANY  CIRCUMSTANCES!

There are the right circumstances, but they're unrealistic, probably.  They would need to get an injured (but only for 2025) very good starter plus great prospect capital.  It just doesn't happen outside of fantasy leagues.

[Twodogs]

2 hours ago, thelanges5 said:

Short answer is no.

Slightly longer answer is that that the new owner should decide on the FO. Once that decision is made that FO can make decisions on the controllable players. 

Im not sure the team control on the relievers makes them more valuable to another team. We could still trade them in the off season or next year’s trade deadline. 
 

 

It's not the team control that necessarily makes them more valuable now.  It's that certain teams like the Dodgers (Scott) and Phillies (Romero and the guy who got suspended for PED's) leave the back end of their bullpens a little bit in flux right now.  Imagine Duran going to the Dodgers what that would do for their WS run this year?  He's worth more because of that right now I believe.  Once the off-season comes around those teams won't have big holes in their bullpens as they will have addressed them with free agency, injuries healing, etc....  

 

But I never thought about Flavey being a lame duck administrator, which he could be if the Twins get new owners.  That really does change things a little bit when you are talking about trading guys who could be around for the next 2 to 3 seasons.  The guys who have contracts that are expiring well might as well trade those guys for something?  I was all in on trading Duran and Jax, but now I'm leaning towards keeping them because of the possible Lame Duck status of Falvey?

[weitz41]

Sometimes I wonder if there is ever a right answer to the wild swings of fandom of a team. There will be complaints either way....Endlessly...

IMO. This team have been stuck in this rut for way too long. Shake things up.  Trading expiring contracts doesn't do that and rolling it all back again...Also doesn't. I personally think trading 1 or the 3, if an overwhelming offer, is the right thing to do. I believe they will receive more than 1 of those types of offers.

Falvey and company have made some really good trades on the sell side of the deadline. 2 of the three mentioned came from deadline trades.

Sure, fire Falvey maybe we can get another Bill Smith run or a 3rd try at Terry Ryan. Careful what you wish for.

[NYCTK]

54 minutes ago, yeahyabetcha said:

I hope you don’t get injured jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon.

It's a product man. You're under no obligation to scarf down **** just because you liked that same brand at the age of 12. 

Loyalty to a billionaire's investment vehicle doesn't make you noble. Just like your employer, it's important to remember the Twins don't care about you. 

[KBJ1]

No & no.

[AKTwinsFan]

I think with 2 years left each then we should get 2 prospects (each). Both are some of the best in baseball, and some of the biggest reasons why we've been relavent the past few years. So if we dont plan on being in the mix the next few years then we give them up. I think Coulumbe is the odd man out and can net at least a decent prospect in return.

[dxpavelka]

DON'T TRADE THEM.  Problem solved.  Why trade pitching when the end result of doing so will be the fact that you will end up looking for pitching.

[yeahyabetcha]

15 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

It's a product man. You're under no obligation to scarf down **** just because you liked that same brand at the age of 12. 

Loyalty to a billionaire's investment vehicle doesn't make you noble. Just like your employer, it's important to remember the Twins don't care about you. 

Any owner that doesn’t “care” about his customers will not be long in the business.  Enjoy the season!!

[jmlease1]

1 hour ago, Otaknam said:

Baldelli is an Earl Weaver clone, just waiting for a three run homer. The team doesn’t have great speed, but what they have is not utilized very well IMO. The offense is  not very good, but they seldom try to force some action by stealing bases or hit and run, putting pressure on the defense. 

You realize that Earl Weaver is one of the great managers in baseball history, right?

[Mrs. Baseball]

For years pitching (lack thereof) has been the Twins lament. So let's deal 3 of them, none of whom are on expiring contracts. What?

Unmentioned in the Falvey trade bio is the Mahle deal. How did that work out?

[jmlease1]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

Are these among the many FV50s in the top 100 that will also span towards 200? These would be players like SWR when he was a prospect. Is it real top prospects like Anthony, Campbell and Mayer?

The Twins would be fools to take a deal of what amounts to five FV50 prospects. They might be fools.

This is why I'm unexcited about significant sell-offs; most of what I see proposed aren't guys in the top 1/3 of the Top 100 prospects, it's guys that are in the bottom 1/3 at best. Guys that are more like Winokur or Houston than a Walker Jenkins. Offers that protect the other organization's top 2-3 guys and the expectation that the Twins should be ok with that.

Screw that. You want a Jax or Duran, come big or GTFO. And frankly, I don't know there's an offer big enough to get Ryan right now, which means that the offers that are coming in are woefully inadequate.

[Mrs. Baseball]

5 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

You realize that Earl Weaver is one of the great managers in baseball history, right?

"I managed good but boy did they play bad." Ball Four..Mr. Bouton RIP

[yeahyabetcha]

38 minutes ago, hitterscount said:

Trust me I will be fine and uninjured. I've been loving Twin BB since I could walk. The 87 & 91 WS exemplify what a team approach, fundamental baseball can do. Granted it doesn't guarantee WS or even playoff series wins, but it is clean and fun to watch. 

I've been consistent in my displeasure with Baldelli for 18 months... It was time for a break for me and the other posters and fans on this site in my takes on the shortfalls with Baldelli and the apparent lack of team chemistry and simple fundamental baseball seen at the 6th grade level. 

II don't have the same connection to the Brewers that I do the Twins as I still follow daily, w/o watching sloppy games. Instead I did what I said I would do after the Baldelli extension and stopped financially supporting a team with zero direction that plays uninspired and brutal ball more times than not. 

Sorry to hear of your hard feelings towards the team.  I have been a fan since the Calvin owned days.  It has been hard to be a fan many of those years, but I try not to hold it personally against any of their employees.  I also don’t agree with much of Falvey and Rocco’s approach to the game, but also remember they were hired as a reaction to Terry Ryan’s approach.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

Are these among the many FV50s in the top 100 that will also span towards 200? These would be players like SWR when he was a prospect. Is it real top prospects like Anthony, Campbell and Mayer?

The Twins would be fools to take a deal of what amounts to five FV50 prospects. They might be fools.

I agree. Ryan is an All Star why wouldn't he bring back an All Star in return?  If a team isn't offering that then where is the impetus for the Twins to trade Ryan at all?  It is really, really hard to develop a top of the rotation arm let alone an All Star caliber one.  Trading Ryan for a bunch of magic beans doesn't make much sense and as others have mentioned sets our team back probably two years at least.

I don't know that I love the idea of trading Jax or Duran, but if the return nets them things they need I am OK with it. That feels far less crippling than trading Ryan.

[NYCTK]

16 minutes ago, yeahyabetcha said:

Any owner that doesn’t “care” about his customers will not be long in the business.  Enjoy the season!!

Penny pinching, home foreclosure Carl told every single Twins fan to go **** themselves 25 years ago, and yet the Pohlads still own the team. So that's just obviously not true. 

If you don't like the ****** product they're producing, and I don't, you can stop consuming it and that doesn't make you a worse person. 

The new owner is going to get an opportunity to win people like me back. Until then, I view the Twins as a fun, ongoing case study that gets absolutely none of my money (outside of the shared revenue from other teams or MLB.TV). 

[TheLeviathan]

3 hours ago, In My La Z boy said:

Amen! No prospect and no amount of prospects can equal a stud #1 starter under team control for years. Prospects may or may not pan out. Joe has panned out spectacularly and he's on his way. Get Pablo and Ober back, w/Zebby looking awesome last night, I'm saying we have a chance. I am also not in favor of blowing up the bullpen for prospects. 

I would prefer to resign Joe Ryan.  However, ownership leaves me with serious doubts that will happen.  So let's put it in real life terms:

Do you think Nat fans are sad they dealt two years of Juan Soto for CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, and James Wood?

Now, trades can flop too, but sometimes they are worth doing.  Especially if you know the future of keeping them is bleak.

[Fatbat]

If I was buying the twins, I would make sure no front line players are traded as a condition of purchase. Who would want to buy a rebuilding team. 

[Doctor Gast]

Absolutely not. Social media wants to take the heat off Falvey by trying to persuade the public that the team's problem is the core. The Twins have floundered since Lopez went down almost 2 months ago. Falvey have done nothing to shore up the rotation. Finally, shore up the rotation we can still compete. The core isn't the problem, it's Falvey & Co. Social media is giving us lotto tickets (prospects) for these players. No way! Our window is open now! We need young MLB-ready impact players now, not wait for the lotto tickets to see if they can develop these lotto tickets years from now. I don't trust Falvey to know what this team needs, 

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

Are these among the many FV50s in the top 100 that will also span towards 200? These would be players like SWR when he was a prospect. Is it real top prospects like Anthony, Campbell and Mayer?

The Twins would be fools to take a deal of what amounts to five FV50 prospects. They might be fools.

I read that article and just chuckled. We see Yankee, Mets, Dodgers, and Red Sox fans come up with this stuff all the time. 

Maybe a Twins fans should put together a similar list for Bobby Witt Jr. or Elly De La Cruz.

[Parfigliano]

57 minutes ago, weitz41 said:

Sometimes I wonder if there is ever a right answer to the wild swings of fandom of a team. There will be complaints either way....Endlessly...

IMO. This team have been stuck in this rut for way too long. Shake things up.  Trading expiring contracts doesn't do that and rolling it all back again...Also doesn't. I personally think trading 1 or the 3, if an overwhelming offer, is the right thing to do. I believe they will receive more than 1 of those types of offers.

Falvey and company have made some really good trades on the sell side of the deadline. 2 of the three mentioned came from deadline trades.

Sure, fire Falvey maybe we can get another Bill Smith run or a 3rd try at Terry Ryan. Careful what you wish for.

In considering trades of Ryan, Duran, or Jax trading Jax is my choice.  It seems the guy is one pitch away from a blowup inning 7 out of every 10 innings he pitches.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

2 hours ago, JDubs said:

I don't think it's really fair to judge a front office when ownership refuses to spend. You really can't include the at least last two years in evaluating this FO because no one would have been able to cut salary and put out a better team. The reason people always point to the Rays' success is because it's such an outlier -- any other team with penny-pinching ownership pretty much always has a terrible record unless they luck into something. Just imagine where this team could be if they simply kept stable at the 2023 payroll.

The Twins have the highest payroll in the AL Central and are currently 4th.

i can absolutely point blame at a front office that doesn’t cash flow plan the full term of their payroll contracts.

i don’t know how the decisions get made, but with the Pohlads it can’t be “Dad, can I have more money”

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Otaknam said:

Baldelli is an Earl Weaver clone,

FYI, Baltimore had a year where they had four 20 game winners. They also routinely put a team on the field that included as many as 6 top (GG) fielders. Belanger, Blair, and B. Robinson were as good as it gets at their positions. They also hit and ran. The Weaver quote about all he does was wait for a 3 run HR was a poke at critics. Weaver was about as smart as it gets in baseball.

[Twins GFP]

This article is 100% clickbait. Nothing substantiative in any form. Putting everything on Falvey with no context. Very sad.

[D.C Twins]

Evan as the Sell Baby Sell guy... You do NOT trade Ryan at the deadline unless it is a HISTORICALLY good offer. 

There is no world where a mid-market team can replace him