Lewis, Miranda Among Six Players Added to the Twins 40-Man Roster

[Seth Stohs]

35 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

I agree with the priority of the prospects selected but I'm worried about the next bunch of prospect that are unprotected. I believe that there's more dead weight to be cut and be more active in trades that can create more space on the 40 man.

There are LOTS of other players on the 40-man roster currently that can come off the roster when free agents are added, or they need them. 

[tony&rodney]

On a loosely related note, I have wondered if the MLBPA might look to reduce the size of the protected roster from 40-35 in the next CBA. This doesn't seem very important to the MLBPA though and is more a matter of gaining choice for minor league players and thus unlikely.

[Seth Stohs]

2 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

On a loosely related note, I have wondered if the MLBPA might look to reduce the size of the protected roster from 40-35 in the next CBA. This doesn't seem very important to the MLBPA though and is more a matter of gaining choice for minor league players and thus unlikely.

Interesting thought, but I just don't see that as possible. just 9 players beyond the 26-man roster... With the Twins injury situation in 2021, they would have run out of people. 

[tony&rodney]

5 minutes ago, Seth Stohs said:

With the Twins injury situation in 2021, they would have run out of people. 

Yes, it seems unlikely as a point of little interest to either negotiating party. However, Tampa Bay used 61 players last season. They shuffled their 40 person roster frequently, one would say adroitly . I was just wondering if this would open jobs potentially for some players who get shifted back and forth with slim opportunity to manage their lives.

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

Cave likely signed for a very low contract. With OF like Larnach and Celestino and possibly even Kirilloff needing some time at the beginning of the season, they keep him around. Not sure what it means for Buxton, if anything. As guys prove themselves ready, the contract is low enough to just drop. 

That's a minor note in today's story, by the way... the Six adds are the big thing. 

None of those need time in the minors. 

[bean5302]

I have a hard time why a team wouldn't take Palacios in a Rule 5 selection. He was one of the best hitting shortstops in AA last year and his defense was good after he shook off the rusty glove he was using to start the season. Detroit grabbed Goodrum a couple years ago. Then again, I felt like Levi Michael would have been picked when he was first exposed after a pretty nice 2014 campaign.

When it comes to Vallimont... the stats tell me he doesn't know where the ball is going and that rarely translates to being highly effective in the high minors when batters can lay off borderline pitches at higher and higher degrees.

I probably would have protected Enlow like the Twins did. So much potential upside and the Twins believed enough in him to really go out and get him on his draft day paying him dramatically over-slot to get him to sign.

Jake Cave? I don't see the attraction to putting him on the roster. Guys like him are a dime a dozen and I'm not convinced Nick Gordon can't completely replace him already. Those are the roster filler guys before the season starts and you've got all the starters and plans worked out. No real need to sign them this early when roster crunches are happening.

[DocBauer]

They kept the 6 they needed to keep and I'm glad they didn't play games with Enlow' s status. Someone would have grabbed him and stashed him.

I would have liked to keep Schulfer, Contreras and Gore. Schulfer has the velocity to be interesting but his numbers don't exactly jump out at this point. He might be selected, and from there, who knows. But it's pretty hard to add 7-8-9 guys to the 40 man at this point for almost anyone. I hope be doesn't get selected, or is returned. Contreras and Gore are interesting, but not especially young. And Gore is still new to the mound. I hope both stay with the Twins, but again, you only have so many spots available.

Love the improvement by Palacios and I have some hope for him. But despite solid overall numbers, his bat was inconsistent. Not sure anyone takes a gamble on him right now. I just don't think Severino is ready for a big move yet. Doesn't mean someone not expected to contend couldn't stash either one of these guys, but they also have their own players and own rosters to protect and run through. 

As far as Cave goes, I'll repeat I was 50-50 if the Twins would keep him. He's an experienced and inexpensive 4th OF with 2 quality seasons before a bad 2020. (Not the only one who did). He hurt his back very early in 2021 and basically had a lost year. He has an option  and be can also be cut with no $ repercussion. He's kept for depth.

If someone gets claimed, sticks, and does well elsewhere it would be easy to claim the Twins blew it. But even at that, if Cave had been cut, which other prospect do you keep in his place? How could we be certain that THAT ONE was the RIGHT ONE to protect? 

All I'm saying is, you protect the best 40 you can with the knowledge, belief, and information you have. Some of it is guesswork, unfortunately. I don't know that I would have protected him. But based on his first 2 seasons and healthy again, yeah, I can see why they kept him for depth.

[bean5302]

32 minutes ago, DocBauer said:

...Love the improvement by Palacios and I have some hope for him. But despite solid overall numbers, his bat was inconsistent...

Like over his last several years? Last year Palacios' bat was pretty consistent. May, June and August were all great with OPS' over .800. July wasn't as great, but hardly terrible for a single month at .667. Palacios did slump hard in the final couple weeks after being platooned and having his playing time reduced a bit.

[Doctor Gast]

2 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

There are LOTS of other players on the 40-man roster currently that can come off the roster when free agents are added, or they need them. 

Thanks Seth but I'm not worried about FAs or just cutting dead weight later but protecting our good potential prospects now.

[sthpstm]

I don’t understand all this angst and negativity against the FO for Baddoo. The Tigers just cut him loose and no one else wanted him, right? Shouldn’t that tell you something if you hold him against them?

[Danchat]

3 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

Palacios and Severino still have a real shot at impacting this team... Neither is likely to be Rule 5d. And, there are several others who are still on the 40-man roster that the same thing can be said of. Also, Cave's deal isn't even guaranteed. If he's released before the season starts, he only gets a portion of it. 

I think there is a decent chance we see Palacios as a Twin in 2022, but Severino? He's going to start in A+ this year, and if things go well he should end up in AA near the midpoint. I don't think he's particularly close to impacting the 2022 team. Spencer Steer is clearly ahead of him (as a probable second baseman, like Severino).

[Rosterman]

I'm all for keeping Palacios. A team has to be willing to pay him to keep him in the majors. The Twins losing him? Well, they already traded him to the Rays. They were fortunate to have him come back. They gave him anotehr contract free and easy. Palacios had the chance to sign anywhere, for a lot cheaper than another team paying the Twins for him and then paying him a major league partial salary.

[Monkeypaws]

I'm just happy to see Enlow on the list. I'm a believer.

[Twins33]

2 hours ago, sthpstm said:

I don’t understand all this angst and negativity against the FO for Baddoo. The Tigers just cut him loose and no one else wanted him, right? Shouldn’t that tell you something if you hold him against them?

You’re thinking of Goodrum. Baddoo was not cut. 

[mikelink45]

14 hours ago, Winston Smith said:

He gets after it and battles his tail off.

So did Astudillo, but that does not mean he should be retained. 

[big dog]

12 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Thought as much. they should have held onto him longer

Couldn't they just have made a waiver claim to get him back? This is a signal about his expected value, unfortunately.

I think if anyone is picked and stays for the year it will be Palacios.

[beckmt]

11 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

Jax is a whole 10 months older than Barnes... 

Jax has a good slider and some fastball velocity. I like Barnes too, but he's got to really be pinpoint with his velocity. That's an easy choice. Jax shouldn't be considered for DFA at this point. 

Now, Thorpe vs. Barnes... that's an interesting decision. Thorpe is a few months younger, but the velocity concerns are still there. 

My assumption is Jax will start in AAA and get time in the Twins bullpen. Barnes will likely make a whole bunch of starts in St. Paul. Thorpe will likely make starts for some other organization's AAA squad... 

So does Jax, whose ceiling seems to be multi-inning reliever.  Since I don't know the rules as well, maybe the Twins can put a few of these players together and get a better player from a team not that is not going to be competitive until at least 2024. 

Expect most trades will be held off until after the new CBA, since there is a lot that can affect viewpoints not defined at this time.

[TopGunn#22]

I would have picked up Clint Frazier (DFA'd by the Yankess) and waved bye bye to Cave.  The only possible surprise here is Vallimont.  But I like keeping a guy with "electric stuff" in the hopes he figures out and you catch lightening in a bottle.  He could also be the hedge on letting Colina go (which surprised me at the time).  I agree with tony&rodney, it's time to make some trades.  THEN we will see additional 40 man roster moves.   

[tony&rodney]

35 minutes ago, TopGunn#22 said:

I would have picked up Clint Frazier

LOL. Not to your suggestion, which makes sense. I had to chuckle yesterday when i saw Frazier DFA'd because Yankee fans were always suggesting a Frazier or Anduhar for Buxton or Berrios trade. Yankee fans are funny.

[bighat]

Was reading the MLBTradeRumors article, here's what unbiased baseball writers say about Charlie Barnes.

"Barnes, 26, is a soft-tossing lefty and former fourth-rounder who made his big league debut out of necessity to help soak up some innings in an injury-ruined season for the Twins’ rotation. He was clobbered for a 5.92 ERA while striking out just 20 of the 175 batters he faced."

I realize most here agree he's not much more than organizational depth, but I guess it's worth emphasizing just how awful so many of the Twins' "prospects" are. With Berrios long gone and Buxton soon to be shown the door, I'm not sure how this team doesn't become the Baltimore Orioles for the next 10 years.

[Karbo]

I'm with alot of others. Jake frickin Cave?

[Doctor Gast]

Seth, I was wondering if there's a deadline for these unprotected prospects to get claimed?

[Joey P]

I am bummed about Ian Hamilton tbh. I think he is going to get poached for sure

[Danchat]

4 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

I would have picked up Clint Frazier (DFA'd by the Yankess) and waved bye bye to Cave. 

Agreed, not only is he right-handed and a good compliment to lefties on this team, but he was faaar more competent in 2020 than Cave was, but also had a disastrous 2021. And he's two years younger. Though I would guess his projected arbitration cost (around $3M?) made him untradeable.

 

3 hours ago, bighat said:

With Berrios long gone and Buxton soon to be shown the door, I'm not sure how this team doesn't become the Baltimore Orioles for the next 10 years.

There is still enough talent on this team to be mediocre. Meanwhile, Baltimore doesn't have a single veteran signed for 2022. I mean, Buxton doesn't even play 50% of the games the past 4 years or so, and it's not like we've turned into the Orioles without him. And we actually played better after Berrios was traded...

2021 was a disaster, but I think you're mistaken if you think the Twins are going to become the 2011-2014 versions for the next few years. Then again, they may be stuck wavering around .500 the next few years, which is also a bad outcome.

[Doc Munson]

retaining Cave scares.   LINE We are not going to sign Buxton, so we will be trading him and need as many backup options as possible. LINE

 

Read between the lines to figure out what is going on with keeping Cave.

[ashbury]

18 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

Just added some short quotes from Lewis, Miranda and Enlow... 

 

Thanks.  It means a lot!   

[Seth Stohs]

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Seth, I was wondering if there's a deadline for these unprotected prospects to get claimed?

Just the Rule 5 draft... They can't be claimed. They aren't minor league free agents. They're still with the Twins until they decide they aren't. Only way they're lost is if they get taken in the Rule 5. 

Also, up above, some have said that Goodrum was Rule 5d from the Twins. No, the Twins DFAd him and he became a minor league free agent and signed with the Tigers. 

[DocBauer]

18 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Like over his last several years? Last year Palacios' bat was pretty consistent. May, June and August were all great with OPS' over .800. July wasn't as great, but hardly terrible for a single month at .667. Palacios did slump hard in the final couple weeks after being platooned and having his playing time reduced a bit.

If your monthly numbers are correct, then my memory is shot, lol. 

I guess I should have been more clear that, as best I can recall, the power was there but the hitting was inconsistent. I may be right, or may be mis-remembering. And I guess that was where I was coming from. 

I hope I'm right that the bat isn't proven yet to other teams enough to select and stash him.

[DocBauer]

18 hours ago, Danchat said:

I think there is a decent chance we see Palacios as a Twin in 2022, but Severino? He's going to start in A+ this year, and if things go well he should end up in AA near the midpoint. I don't think he's particularly close to impacting the 2022 team. Spencer Steer is clearly ahead of him (as a probable second baseman, like Severino).

Love your belief in Steer as I share it as well. I just don't know at this time if Steer is going to ever have a full time spot...unless he can surprise us at SS...due to being potentially  locked by Polanco and Miranda. But that's OK! I think he is going to be GOOD and valuable and flexible and a tremendous utility type. He might appear in 2022 but I'm looking more at 2023. 

I am also very excited for Julian on a similar timetable. It may sound silly to some to be excited about utility players...barring injury or trade...but I fully embrace a roster that is deep and flexible. But I have a good feeling that BOTH of these guys have a chance to be integral parts of the Twins roster very soon as great "bench" pieces who play all over and contribute. 

For those few who might not be paying full attention, position player wise, the Twins are trying to build a roster the way the Dogers and Rays have done, and are looking at the best EVERYDAY options as well as versatility and depth. And I have a really good feeling about both these guys. 

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, DocBauer said:

If your monthly numbers are correct, then my memory is shot, lol. 

I guess I should have been more clear that, as best I can recall, the power was there but the hitting was inconsistent. I may be right, or may be mis-remembering. And I guess that was where I was coming from. 

I hope I'm right that the bat isn't proven yet to other teams enough to select and stash him.

As I recall, the way Palacios got to his consistent .800+ OPS months shifted around in regard to batting average or power, etc, but the end of the day was a pretty steady OPS. It's hard to take much away from a single month because a nasty 10 or 20 game run of luck can blow numbers to pieces.