Cody Christie Twins Daily Contributor Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Royce Lewis has been lighting up the Arizona Fall League with a 1.066 OPS which ranks second in the league. He helped the East to win the Fall Stars Game after he cranked a two-run home run in the first inning. He would go on to be named MVP of that game and it looks like he is ending the year strong after some inconsistencies during the regular season. Minnesota drafted Lewis for his athleticism and the potential he had shown as an amateur. Now there are some questions about his defensive future. What position will Lewis play when he gets called up to Target Field?ShortstopLewis was drafted as a shortstop and the Twins have given him every opportunity to stick at one of the most important defensive positions. Through three professional seasons, 94.7% of his defensive innings have been played at short. He has been charged with 48 errors in 1076 chances for a .955 fielding percentage. This might not seem terrible, but Jorge Polanco had a .957 fielding percentage this year and there were plenty of people critical of his defense this year. Even with Minnesota continuing to use Lewis at shortstop, there is no guarantee he stays there long-term. As Matthew Trueblood wrote, there have been some “dubious recent scouting reports” about his shortstop play. Lewis could be entering a critical time for his defensive future and shortstop might not be his position in the years ahead. In fact, he has yet to log a defensive inning at shortstop in the AFL. Third BaseMinnesota currently has Miguel Sano at third base, but there have been questions about his ability to stick at that position long-term. In fact, he might be better suited for first base or even designated hitter. If there was an opening at third, Lewis might be given the opportunity to take over the hot corner. In 11 of his 18 AFL games, he has started at third base and he has yet to be charged with an error. His time at third was almost nonexistent before the AFL started. During his professional career, he had played four innings at third base and he had yet to start a game at that position. It’s also not like there is a better shortstop prospect ahead of him on his AFL roster. Tampa’s Vidal Brujan has played the majority of the time at short and his own organization rarely uses him at that position (377 2/3 innings over five seasons). Outfield Minnesota’s current outfield looks strong if Bryon Buxton, Max Kepler, and Eddie Rosario are all healthy and on the field. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen very often in 2019 and one must wonder what the future holds for the team’s outfield trio. It also seems possible for one of these players to be dealt for starting pitching help before the beginning of next season. Lewis has played four games in center field during his career and three of those contests have been in the AFL. That still hasn’t stopped him from making a highlight reel catch.Outfield seems like a good back-up plan for Lewis if he doesn’t pan out at either one of the infield positions mentioned above. He has the athleticism to shift to the outfield, but it would take a lot of work to get him accustomed to chasing down fly-balls. Where do you think Royce Lewis will play defensively in the future? Leave a COMMENT and join the discussion. MORE FROM TWINS DAILYHandbook Preview: Welcome to the OffseasonHot Corner Consideration: Potential Third Base Alternatives to Miguel SanoTwins AFL Report - Week 4: Lewis Named Fall Stars MVP Click here to view the article Oldgoat_MN and nclahammer 2
M&MFTW Provisional Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 My understanding was that Lewis wasn't playing SS only because the Twins didn't get a preferential SS slot for him. bird, brvama, gagu and 1 other 4
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 My understanding was that Lewis wasn't playing SS only because the Twins didn't get a preferential SS slot for him. Yes, and also the Twins are happy to get him ABs at 3B and CF... No intent to play him at SS, but when he gets to spring training, he'll be at SS. SF Twins Fan, Steve Lein, Steve J and 6 others 9
Darius Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Has a prospect ever generated so many questions regarding ability to play a position from the start of their career, only to go on and be great st that position defensively? I’m still concerned about how his bat will play with that giant leg kick.
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) This reminds of the supposed book on Polanco: he couldn't play SS either. While Polanco struggled in the field, especially late in the season, he was the AL representative at the position. I hope the Twins give the same opportunity for Lewis to stick at short as they did Polanco. Edited October 22, 2019 by PseudoSABR DocBauer, MN_ExPat, Steve Lein and 3 others 6
AZTwin Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Has a prospect ever generated so many questions regarding ability to play a position from the start of their career, only to go on and be great st that position defensively? I’m still concerned about how his bat will play with that giant leg kick.Jeter is one. By the way, just curious, what’s Lewis’ arm strength like?
TL Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I think Royce can stick at SS because of the advances in defensive positioning, but do wonder if he would be better utilized in CF (not better than Buxton, but if we lose Buxton it may be best for the team to have Royce in CF). ...and Jeter is not really a good example to go by to give anyone hope Royce can turn out to be great defensively at SS. Probably the opposite of a good example. Steve Lein, Oldgoat_MN and Mike Sixel 3
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Honestly, given Buxton's inability to stay healthy, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lewis ends up in CF. TL, In My La Z boy and nmcowboy 3
Richard Swerdlick Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Such versatility is an assett for Royce and a number of Twins. Good to see as it gives us much flexibility. Steve Lein, MN_ExPat, Riverbrian and 2 others 5
Dave The Dastardly Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Do the Twins currently have another almost-ready third baseman in their minor league system? My bet is Sano goes to first and Lewis goes to third. He's got the quickness, the arm and the bat to hold down the hot corner. MN_ExPat, David HK, DocBauer and 1 other 4
Elliot Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 If his main SS competition is Polanco, I keep him at short. If the Twins sign or trade for a competent defensive SS, then I move him to third. The only way I see him in CF is if Buxton suffers another injury, admittedly not unlikely. SF Twins Fan 1
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I have no idea what Royce Lewis is like defensively. However... if he can play SS, 3B and CF. By all means let him play all 3 positions. There is extreme value in that ability. Trying to shove him into one spot is a mistake. Once Royce establishes himself as ready and becomes the top call up option. When Royce gets called up, it will be due to an issue on the 25 man (injury or performance related). We don’t know where that injury or performance related issue will spring up. Could be OF, could be 3B, could be SS. His ability to play all of those positions opens up more doors for him to come through. Leave him at one position like SS. He is waiting for one specific door to open and Polanco may not get hurt. It then forces Lewis back to the minors if when Polanco returns. If the injury happens in CF. This forces the club to call up a lesser player because Lewis is a SS only. Let him play all 3 positions and we will see him sooner. Leave him at one position and it will take a specific set of circumstances to get him up to the majors. Richie the Rally Goat, lake_guy, Strato Guy and 13 others 16
twinsfanstreif Provisional Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Has a prospect ever generated so many questions regarding ability to play a position from the start of their career, only to go on and be great st that position defensively? How quickly we forget about Polanco, he was absolutely not supposed to be a SS and he's been excellent there
rdehring Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Great topic, Cody. I agree with those above who favor his playing all three positions next year which will enable him to be called up at where he is needed....short, third, left or center. Speaking of his success in the AFL, have you seen what Raley has done of late? After a horrible start to his AFL season, he has hit homers in each of his last three games with his average up to .250. Riverbrian, MN_ExPat, In My La Z boy and 5 others 8
Steve Lein Twins Daily Contributor Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 "It’s also not like there is a better shortstop prospect ahead of him on his AFL roster. Tampa’s Vidal Brujan has played the majority of the time at short and his own organization rarely uses him at that position (377 2/3 innings over five seasons)." My understanding was that Lewis wasn't playing SS only because the Twins didn't get a preferential SS slot for him. There's not a higher overall rated SS prospect on the roster (Lewis is probably the 2nd highest rated prospect in the league behind Jo Adell), but as for defensive considerations I'll answer these statements with one of my comments from last weeks AFL report: "There's been reports that the Twins actually liked that there were other SS prospects on the team in Arizona, so they would have to put him elsewhere to get at-bats. Those other shortstops are pretty good ones too: Geraldo Perdomo, Jose Devers, and also Vidal Brujan and all three are easily better defenders than Lewis at SS at this point in time. The Twins obviously want him to work at multiple positions so that when he's ready, they have options on where to put him. I think Lewis still has a lot of work to do if he wants to play SS in the majors —and that's not in any way a knock on him. He's incredibly young and you don't develop a major league SS in two years if he wasn't already a fielding wizard at the position. You also have to consider that those fielding wizards usually don't carry a bat like Lewis potentially does. Jorge Polanco was the same way, his bat was way ahead of his fielding and he didn't become even an average-ish guy at the position until last season, essentially his third year in the majors at 24 years of age. I think Lewis has excelled at 3B in the Fall League however, and he can run down fly balls in the outfield too. He's getting more run at 2B the last few weeks too, but I don't see him ending up on that side of the infield." TopGunn#22, Celebrity Weddings!, snap4birds and 6 others 9
Yoke Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I'd keep him at SS for the future, but sprinkle in some games at 3B and in the OF to keep him fresh with it. The more position flexibility a player can have the better. I do think that he makes his MLB debut as a 3B, unless Polanco is injured. MN_ExPat, Strato Guy, Steve Lein and 2 others 5
Steve Lein Twins Daily Contributor Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Jeter is one. By the way, just curious, what’s Lewis’ arm strength like? He's got a good arm, but it's an outfield arm at this point. What I mean by that is he's a bit "long" in his motion to get to that arm strength. Watched quite a few games of his this year and can recall a few plays where he didn't get to a ground ball quick enough, then his release wasn't fast enough to get the ball there on time to beat the runner with his arm. While I wouldn't call the plays I'm recalling 'routine' necessarily, I'd also expect a SS to make them. But again, these are things he's going to improve. I have no doubt he can be better than Polanco there eventually if that's the path they go down. jkcarew, Strato Guy, TL and 5 others 8
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 We have three more years of Buxton and then he'll take over CF. I suspect Lewis will spend all of this season in the minors and the team will reevaluate what they have after next season. Mike Sixel 1
Elliot Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Versatility is great, but an above average SS or catcher doesn’t get moved around. This is especially true if they possess starter quality offensive skills. A well below average offensive player needs defensive versatility to stick in the majors. Unless Lewis shows himself to be below average as a SS without reasonable expectation for improvement, I would give him all the reps possible there. The other exception is the appearance of a better SS option. As of now that is not the case or likely in the foreseeable future. Another possibility for improvement of the infield defense is to greatly upgrade the third base defense to help cover some range and arm concerns with Polanco. If that is the plan I can get behind a Lewis move to third. jkcarew, Steve Lein and Don Walcott 3
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 The better question is his offensive future... He still has a ways to go with the bat before thinking about what position he plays in the majors. Also, positional flexibility is good for anyone. diehardtwinsfan, raindog, Steve Lein and 7 others 10
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Versatility is great, but an above average SS or catcher doesn’t get moved around. This is especially true if they possess starter quality offensive skills. A well below average offensive player needs defensive versatility to stick in the majors. Unless Lewis shows himself to be below average as a SS without reasonable expectation for improvement, I would give him all the reps possible there. The other exception is the appearance of a better SS option. As of now that is not the case or likely in the foreseeable future. Another possibility for improvement of the infield defense is to greatly upgrade the third base defense to help cover some range and arm concerns with Polanco. If that is the plan I can get behind a Lewis move to third.You are describing past “Utility” definitions. Super Utility is alive and well in this day and age. DocBauer and Steve Lein 2
stringer bell Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 In the OP, there was mention of Lewis' fielding percentage compared to Polanco's this year with the Twins. That should be regarded with a grain of salt, if that. Major league stadiums, with their manicured infields and excellent lighting (and kind official scorers) make that comparison near meaningless. That there are scouting reports showing that Lewis has issues as a defensive shortstop would be meaningful, but what are the issues? Does he have the necessary range and arm strength? Can he make a quick release throw? Steve Lein has pointed out that Lewis isn't that quick with his release. I would think that is a problem that can be corrected. I think it is good for Lewis to have work in at third base and the outfield. Year to year conventional wisdom changes on players. Currently, there is discussion about the long-term futures of both Buxton (due to injuries) and Sanó (due to defensive liability). Perhaps both will play their way through those questions, but perhaps these two positions may be where Lewis will get a chance (if he is ready to hit in the majors). Manny Machado was a shortstop who took a third base vacancy to get to the majors and he's played 80% of his innings at third base through eight seasons. Regardless, Royce will need to carry his good hitting from the AFL next season to even be in consideration for a promotion to Minnesota. Riverbrian, diehardtwinsfan, Mike Sixel and 3 others 6
jkcarew Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 He's got a good arm, but it's an outfield arm at this point. What I mean by that is he's a bit "long" in his motion to get to that arm strength. Watched quite a few games of his this year and can recall a few plays where he didn't get to a ground ball quick enough, then his release wasn't fast enough to get the ball there on time to beat the runner with his arm. While I wouldn't call the plays I'm recalling 'routine' necessarily, I'd also expect a SS to make them. But again, these are things he's going to improve. I have no doubt he can be better than Polanco there eventually if that's the path they go down.Then there is absolutely no reason not to go down that path. Yes, expose Lewis to other positions to ensure that things aren't totally foreign depending on how events unfold. But SS is where the highest upside is for any player's value...and it's the most difficult from a technical standpoint. Focus development there until the above sentence is proved false. (Or, I guess...until Buxton is traded or forced to retire.) adorduan 1
Steve Lein Twins Daily Contributor Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Then there is absolutely no reason not to go down that path. Yes, expose Lewis to other positions to ensure that things aren't totally foreign depending on how events unfold. But SS is where the highest upside is for any player's value...and it's the most difficult from a technical standpoint. Focus development there until the above sentence is proved false. (Or, I guess...until Buxton is traded or forced to retire.) I know what you're getting at here, but I look at it a little differently. Lewis isn't going to displace Polanco from shortstop in the next few years outside of coming up to fill in for a long term trip to the injured list or if Polanco forgets how to hit. If Lewis is becoming the player you think he can be, you find or create a place to play him in this scenario with Polanco entrenched. This helps you do so. Riverbrian 1
DocBauer Old-Timey Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Echoing a few other thoughts. 1] Error numbers for a 19yo milb SS are pretty meaningless. It's still about potential at this point, and further development of that potential. 2] Totally agree he should keep playing all over, including some time at 2B, to increase his versatility not only for a future home at some point, but to increase his initial call up value. And maybe he ends up being a daily player at a couple spots. Who knows? 3] Having a problem of how to fit all of your talent on the field at once is a nice problem to have. At this point, where Lewis ultimately ends up really shouldn't matter. TL, Riverbrian, Steve Lein and 2 others 5
adorduan Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 IMO it will be disappointing if he doesn't play a premium defensive position, i.e. SS or CF. Other positions are easier to fill.
rdehring Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Who are the best two prospects we have in the minors? I would say Lewis and Kirilloff, as far as position players are concerned. Kirilloff plays first bast, left field and right field. Lewis played short most of the summer and third, center and a bit of second in the AFL. Continue playing both players at those positions and you have 7 of the 9 defensive positions covered. Either could come up in any of THEIR positions to fill in for an injury. Eventually they could come up to start in one of THEIR positions or to be a rotational starter, much like Gonzalez. After all, I recall wondering how Gonzalez was going to find playing time as we sat here late last March. Haven't looked at the stats, but I am guessing he started most of the days he was healthy. Think I will generate a new baseball term.........Rotational Starter! Edited October 22, 2019 by rdehring Steve Lein, Riverbrian, DocBauer and 1 other 4
jkcarew Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I know what you're getting at here, but I look at it a little differently. Lewis isn't going to displace Polanco from shortstop in the next few years outside of coming up to fill in for a long term trip to the injured list or if Polanco forgets how to hit. If Lewis is becoming the player you think he can be, you find or create a place to play him in this scenario with Polanco entrenched. This helps you do so.Why would Polanco be 'entrenched' at SS, if Lewis is better than Polanco there? Under your original premise that Lewis is a better defensive shortstop than Polanco (with further development), you play Lewis at short...and Polanco moves. You always play the best defender at SS. adorduan 1
Steve Lein Twins Daily Contributor Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Why would Polanco be 'entrenched' at SS, if Lewis is better than Polanco there? Under your original premise that Lewis is a better defensive shortstop than Polanco (with further development), you play Lewis at short...and Polanco moves. You always play the best defender at SS. You misunderstand slightly. I would venture Lewis' bat/other abilities get him to the majors before he's a better shortstop than Polanco, if that does happen. You're not going to leave Lewis in the minors for that reason at that point, you're going to bring him up to play somewhere. DocBauer, Riverbrian and jkcarew 3
jkcarew Verified Member Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) You misunderstand slightly. I would venture Lewis' bat/other abilities get him to the majors before he's a better shortstop than Polanco, if that does happen. You're not going to leave Lewis in the minors for that reason at that point, you're going to bring him up to play somewhere.What does that look like? You play him at all the positions other than SS that he might be asked to play? You've basically eliminated his chances of being able to play short-stop at an every-day major league level...or, you've decided that you will (when the time comes) develop him at short while he's at the major league level. Not worth it. It's relatively easy for an elite athlete to transition from SS to somewhere else,...vs the other way around. I'm arguing that the LOW risk move is to continue to focus his development at SS rather than guess where he might fit in when his bat demands that he move to the major league club. The HIGH risk path is to siphon significant development time away from SS by guessing where he might fit when that time comes. (And no, I don't consider playing AFL games at 3rd...and occasional minor league games at CF, etc. to be inconsistent with the low risk path. The question is, where should he focus his development at this time.) Edited October 22, 2019 by jkcarew Steve Lein and adorduan 2
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