Gonsalves, Bard promoted

[drjim]

[drjim]

I wonder if this means they are thinking of Gonsalves making some September starts.

 

Or that Curtiss might be coming.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Huh. Am I the only person who finds it weird that they waited until August 6th to promote Gonsalves to AAA as Chattanooga winds down its season (and postseason)?

 

I guess this puts Gonsalves in line to get a September promotion but hell, if you're going to do that, just call him up to Minnesota today and be done with it.

[Comrade Bork]

Woot Woot! Let's see some Stephen!

[drjim]

Huh. Am I the only person who finds it weird that they waited until August 6th to promote Gonsalves to AAA as Chattanooga winds down its season (and postseason)?

 

I guess this puts Gonsalves in line to get a September promotion but hell, if you're going to do that, just call him up to Minnesota today and be done with it.

I find it odd too, thought for sure he's finish the season at Chattanooga.

 

I don't think bringing him directly to the Twins right now would exactly be setting him up for success. Don't mind a handful of starts in Septembet if (when) they're out of it.

[drjim]

The other thought I had is maybe they're setting up the depth chart for some August moves.

 

If a couple starters move they'll have an opening.

[Rosterman]

Interesting to see who the team shuffles off to...say, Buffalo. They need to find two spots in an already packed team. Let's see. Rochester has: Slegers, Hurlbut, Melville, Turley, Enns starting. Suppose they can bump Turley, or go with six-man. Santiago still starting down there, too.

 

[Thrylos]

The fact that they moved to AAA from AA means nothing about being added to the 40-man roster in August, so they can receive a promotion.

[nater79a]

Red Wings are 2 games back of the IronPigs for the wildcard spot.   If Rochester fails to capture that would it be unprecedented to send Gonsalves back down to the Lookouts for the Southern League playoffs?

 

Wings season ends 9/4.  Southern League playoffs start 9/6.

[John Kelsey]

Only two months late. 

[nicksaviking]

Red Wings are 2 games back of the IronPigs for the wildcard spot.   If Rochester fails to capture that would it be unprecedented to send Gonsalves back down to the Lookouts for the Southern League playoffs?

 

Wings season ends 9/4.  Southern League playoffs start 9/6.

That would go over so well here.

[Seth Stohs]

Gonsalves and Bard both deserve a promotion. They can try to help the Red Wings get to the playoffs.

 

I've heard Corcino is heading back to Chattanooga (LaMonte Wade was placed on the DL earlier today). Not sure what the other move might be.

 

And, I don't this says anything about a Twins call up in September either way.

[KirbyDome89]

 

I find it odd too, thought for sure he's finish the season at Chattanooga.

I don't think bringing him directly to the Twins right now would exactly be setting him up for success. Don't mind a handful of starts in Septembet if (when) they're out of it.

What good does waiting three weeks do? Honest question. They've done everything but come out publicly and say "the season is done," so I don't understand why they need to wait until they're mathematically eliminated to get guys up. The season is riddled with poor pitching performances so the idea that they're worried about a younger guy having a rough start and wrecking the season after they've already waived the white flag seems odd to me. 

[Mr. Brooks]

I find it odd too, thought for sure he's finish the season at Chattanooga.

 

I don't think bringing him directly to the Twins right now would exactly be setting him up for success. Don't mind a handful of starts in Septembet if (when) they're out of it.

Do you honestly think that calling him up now would be setting him up for failure, but in 3 weeks it won't?

[Dantes929]

 

What good does waiting three weeks do? Honest question. They've done everything but come out publicly and say "the season is done," so I don't understand why they need to wait until they're mathematically eliminated to get guys up. The season is riddled with poor pitching performances so the idea that they're worried about a younger guy having a rough start and wrecking the season after they've already waived the white flag seems odd to me. 

Why can't it work the other way?   At least one season Duensing came in and gave them the shot they needed to get to the playoffs.   Whose to say Gonsalves won't come in and get a few wins.   Why assume failure?

[KirbyDome89]

 

Why can't it work the other way?   At least one season Duensing came in and gave them the shot they needed to get to the playoffs.   Whose to say Gonsalves won't come in and get a few wins.   Why assume failure?

I'm not....that was a worst case scenario

 

I'm in support of Gonsalves coming up yesterday...

[Rhino and Compass]

I'm just happy to see fresh blood moving up through the organization. Progress, no matter how it is rewarded or portrayed is still progress. I'll take it. Gonsalves, especially, will be up soon enough.

[old nurse]

 

Do you honestly think that calling him up now would be setting him up for failure, but in 3 weeks it won't?

3 weeks in AAA could be enough to determine if it is a bad idea to call him up for September hence failure at the mlb level is averted. A Semptember cal up would not have the same expectations as a August one so there would not be anything really attached to an unsuccessful stint.

[rdehring]

Perhaps the biggest reason was that since the arrival of Littell, Chattanooga had six starters. Someone had to go up. Of most interest was that it was Gonsalves over Jorge, Romero, or Stewart.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Perhaps the biggest reason was that since the arrival of Littell, Chattanooga had six starters. Someone had to go up. Of most interest was that it was Gonsalves over Jorge, Romero, or Stewart.

well, of the 4 he's the most ready. I don't think anyone would doubt that. Romero has certainly made a case, but he's also on a strict innings limit at this point.

[nicksaviking]

 

I find it odd too, thought for sure he's finish the season at Chattanooga.

I don't think bringing him directly to the Twins right now would exactly be setting him up for success. Don't mind a handful of starts in Septembet if (when) they're out of it.

 

If he's one of those guys who likes to pick at the corners and get swings and misses out of the zone I think he's going to have a tough time at the MLB level regardless of when he is called up, like Berrios last year. I don't think that's a lesson he's going to learn anywhere but at the highest level; if the team is hoping he'll contribute next year, I'd like to see him take his lumps this year and adjust his approach as needed next spring.

[gunnarthor]

Good luck to both of them

[drjim]

 

If he's one of those guys who likes to pick at the corners and get swings and misses out of the zone I think he's going to have a tough time at the MLB level regardless of when he is called up, like Berrios last year. I don't think that's a lesson he's going to learn anywhere but at the highest level; if the team is hoping he'll contribute next year, I'd like to see him take his lumps this year and adjust his approach as needed next spring.

 

He's not like Berrios.

[Mike Sixel]

I agree the timing is odd, but I'll take any progress I can get.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Perhaps the biggest reason was that since the arrival of Littell, Chattanooga had six starters. Someone had to go up. Of most interest was that it was Gonsalves over Jorge, Romero, or Stewart.

Actually Chattanooga has run a 6 man rotation for portions of the season already, which is not uncommon in the minor leagues.  So I don't know if it was that, exactly, although perhaps it could be related. They may want to keep Gonsalves specifically on a 5 man rotation schedule, to get him a few more innings this year and perhaps prime him for a September call-up?

[drjim]

 

What good does waiting three weeks do? Honest question. They've done everything but come out publicly and say "the season is done," so I don't understand why they need to wait until they're mathematically eliminated to get guys up. The season is riddled with poor pitching performances so the idea that they're worried about a younger guy having a rough start and wrecking the season after they've already waived the white flag seems odd to me. 

 

Do you honestly think that calling him up now would be setting him up for failure, but in 3 weeks it won't?

 

I wouldn't think it matters a whole lot, I don't expect much from him if he pitches this year. But he is going to have more success this year the less exposure he has and the lighter the lineups in September, and if he can be pulled earlier from games with larger bullpens.

[nicksaviking]

 

He's not like Berrios.

 

He doesn't work on the edges and outside of the zone relying on minor leaguers to chase? His high pitch counts despite the reports of good control would suggest he does.

[drjim]

 

He doesn't work on the edges and outside of the zone relying on minor leaguers to chase? The reports of good control despite his high pitch counts would suggest he does.

 

Sure, but almost any pitcher does that, it's the reason the marginal guys the Twins have called up can dominate AAA but get ripped by big leaguers.. The difference is he doesn't have nearly the stuff Berrios has.

[Vanimal46]

 

Sure, but almost any pitcher does that, it's the reason the marginal guys the Twins have called up can dominate AAA but get ripped by big leaguers.. The difference is he doesn't have nearly the stuff Berrios has.

 

Concur. I don't mind being a little more conservative with Gonsalves' development... Like a fine brisket, low and slow is the way to go. His success is going to come directly from hitting his spots on the corners and command. Berrios could get away with being more "effectively wild" since he has more overpowering stuff. Gonsalves doesn't have that luxury. 

[Seth Stohs]

This will be a good challenge for both. 

 

Bard's been terrific this year too. The strikeout rate is phenomenal. Control has already been his thing, so the AAA hitters will test him. 

 

Same as Gonsalves. This will be a good test for him as well. Because he's behind on innings (due to missing 6ish weeks, they could still consider calling him up in 3 weeks and making starts in September. Frankly, they need to use these next three weeks to figure out a plan for Colon and Santiago and Gibson. Is it conceivable they could get a low-level prospect for any of them? Could Gibson continue to be a 5th starter candidate for 2018. That's all for the front office to decide.

 

But Gonsalves can go help the Red Wings try to get to the playoffs. He can learn how to pitch against some older, very experienced hitters. 

 

And in September, he can still become a roster add. Though the front office might try to give September tryouts to some guys that they just want to evaluate briefly in the big leagues and have to make decisions on. They know that Gonsalves is part of the long-term future.