Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Turns out all the Twins had to do to get off to a good start was not swing. Of course it's not that simple. The Twins have done a lot of things well en route to their 3-0 start, but one thing that sticks out in particular is the number of walks they've been able to pile up.Twins hitters tallied 23 walks in the opening series against the Royals, while the pitching staff issued just nine free passes. To put that into perspective, last season the Twins didn't draw their 23rd walk until the eighth game of the season. Not surprisingly, all those walks did in the Royals, as they were outscored 21-5. The Twins had some great timely hitting, the bullpen has been excellent and even the defense has been solid, but anytime you get that many walks, good things are going to happen. So, what does this mean? Well, in such a small sample we can't be sure. Maybe it means the Royals pitching staff is going to stink. Or maybe they just got off on a bad foot. But, maybe it means we'll see a more patient approach from the Twins this season. With new leadership comes new philosophies and new and different things that are stressed. Maybe patience is especially being preached this season. Or maybe Twins hitters are just more comfortable taking what comes during an at-bat, as opposed to trying to make something happen. One of the things I've really admired about new hitting coach James Rowson's style is he seems to put a big focus on getting hitters confident and comfortable. MikeBerardino of the Pioneer Press did a great feature on how Rowson was trying to help Miguel Sano take the next step in which Rowson said “You look at [sano] and you realize he doesn’t need anyone’s help to be good. He’s a good player right now.” What an outstanding message to send to a young player like Sano. Late last season, the team was threatening to send its young slugger down to the minors. Quite a difference a few months makes. Free agent addition Jason Castro leads the team with six walks, but Sano has three, which is tied for second with Robbie Grossman. Maybe the thing that sticks out the most is the pair of walks Eddie Rosario drew in Thursday's 5-3 win. The free-swinging Rosario entered the season averaging one walk for every 30 plate appearances. Is it possible we're seeing these younger Twins hitters coming into their own? Could this be the year they get comfortable instead of constantly worrying about being sent to the bench, or back to Rochester, after a few bad games? Well, right now it looks just about as possible as the Royals just having a rotten pitching staff. Only time will tell. Click here to view the article glunn and Oldgoat_MN 2
Rhino and Compass Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Rosario drew the second at about the time a Pegasus soared past with a shirtless Nick Punto standing on its back. Rosario doesn't walk a lot is what I'm saying Ryan Hangartner, gheggs42, glunn and 19 others 22
Guest Guests Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Tom, I really like your comments about Sano and Rowson and agree completely.
BoofBonser Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 4-0 tomorrow night baby! tarheeltwinsfan, Ernestfickle22, d-mac and 2 others 5
Ncgo4 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Hey! We cannot get to 162-0 unless we first get to 3-0. Only 159 to go, d-mac, Tom Froemming, goulik and 2 others 5
jimbo92107 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 A lot of encouraging signs, especially from the hitters. Polanco sure does look like a major league ballplayer, doesn't he? Skills and smarts. Sano is showing much better plate discipline, as is everybody except Buxton. Even Eager Eddie has taken a couple walks. Kepler looks like he's starting to hit the ball square on the screws...last season that was prelude to a power display a couple games later. Dozier hasn't gotten hot yet, but he could bust out anytime. Everybody is hitting except...Buxton, and strangely enough, I'm not worried about Buxton. He'll hit as soon as he realizes that he's the cat, and the pitcher is the mouse. Oh, and thank goodness for Jason Castro. All he's done is stabilize the catcher position, take a ton of walks and knock in key runs. CUtomorrownight, HitInAPinch, Oldgoat_MN and 9 others 12
twins_89 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Winning 3 while getting next to nothing offensively from Mauer, Buxton, and Grossman is encouraging. I'll be even more excited if Hughes looks like he can still be a legitimate starting pitcher. Edited April 7, 2017 by twins_89 spanman2, Respy, Tom Froemming and 2 others 5
ScrapTheNickname Provisional Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 By the same token, Buxton has got off to an awful start at the plate. If this continues long enough, the management may well have to send him down to the minors. Calling him good, and batting him third can only do so much; the player has to do the rest. d-mac, JaleelWhite FanClub, adorduan and 2 others 5
Brandon Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 The article should be titled "Walk This Way" d-mac, Tom Froemming, woolywoolhouse and 1 other 4
HitInAPinch Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 A lot of encouraging signs, especially from the hitters. Polanco sure does look like a major league ballplayer, doesn't he? Skills and smarts. Sano is showing much better plate discipline, as is everybody except Buxton. Even Eager Eddie has taken a couple walks. Kepler looks like he's starting to hit the ball square on the screws...last season that was prelude to a power display a couple games later. Dozier hasn't gotten hot yet, but he could bust out anytime. Everybody is hitting except...Buxton, and strangely enough, I'm not worried about Buxton. He'll hit as soon as he realizes that he's the cat, and the pitcher is the mouse. Oh, and thank goodness for Jason Castro. All he's done is stabilize the catcher position, take a ton of walks and knock in key runs. Buxton just needs to calm down. Last year, the entire team needed to calm down and never did. When Buxton came to the plate with men on, you could practically see it in his eye's. Rowson seems to be a great choice for working with young hitters. Sano: an opposite field single?? Who woulda thunk it last year? Like I've said about Castro in other posts: I like the way he moves around the plate. MN_ExPat, Han Joelo, Tom Froemming and 1 other 4
HitInAPinch Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Oh, and I like the lineup nuevo configuration. Dozier is only a leadoff hitter once a game. Having speedy player bunched at the bottom of the order is a great idea. A few more walks would be great. Baby steps. So is the new usage of RP's: don't drain 1-2 guys in one game and have them not available in the next series. Run 'em out for 1 inning or less and keep them fresh. Tom Froemming 1
old nurse Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 The article should be titled "Walk This Way" Jerr and Tom Froemming 2
Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 A lot of encouraging signs, especially from the hitters. Polanco sure does look like a major league ballplayer, doesn't he? Skills and smarts. My favorite play of the series was yesterday when Polanco ranged to his right, made a nice pick, avoided Sano and fired to end the seventh inning. Here's a link to that highlight. By the same token, Buxton has got off to an awful start at the plate. If this continues long enough, the management may well have to send him down to the minors. Calling him good, and batting him third can only do so much; the player has to do the rest.This is true, but I like the fact that Molitor is going to keep putting him in the three spot, at least for the time being. If you think Buxton is your third hitter on Opening Day, why let 15 plate appearances change your mind? If Byron has the peace of mind that even if he has a bad series, or a bad few weeks, he's still going to be in there everyday I think we're going to see some very good things happen for him this season. Han Joelo, ToddlerHarmon, wabene and 6 others 9
drjim Provisional Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Good call. Makes me think back to how revolutionary this song was when it came out.
hybridbear Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 We'll start to see with the weekend series in Chicago if the walks were just KC having poor pitchers or a change from the Twins hitters. Oldgoat_MN 1
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Nice article, great start. But series one, 159 games to go. I really hope these trends continue. Two weeks is what I need to feel like we can really analyze. My only quick reaction is to Buxton. Too many ks. Where is the sense of fun and relaxation that he needs. I hope it comes in the next series. Tom Froemming 1
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Thanks for the link to the Polanco play. Nice play, especially with that small-moon size asteroid that was also going for the ball. I am no judge of arm strength, but that looked legit to me. Tom Froemming, Mike Sixel, Oldgoat_MN and 1 other 4
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Here's the Ringer's obituary for the KC Bullpen: https://theringer.com/mlb-2017-kansas-city-royals-bullpen-woes-1b50f082f464 Oldgoat_MN and ToddlerHarmon 2
stringer bell Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Didn't the Twins draw a lot more walks in 2015, particularly when they had that incredible hot month of May? Things do go in cycles, but I'm sure they'll normalize. On Rosario--I don't mind a guy that doesn't walk much (Kirby for example) as long as they don't constantly get themselves out by chasing. If Rosario is more disciplined at what he swings at, he may walk a few more times, but the real benefit will be in getting much better pitches to hit. woolywoolhouse, CUtomorrownight, Oldgoat_MN and 2 others 5
woolywoolhouse Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Didn't the Twins draw a lot more walks in 2015, particularly when they had that incredible hot month of May? Things do go in cycles, but I'm sure they'll normalize. On Rosario--I don't mind a guy that doesn't walk much (Kirby for example) as long as they don't constantly get themselves out by chasing. If Rosario is more disciplined at what he swings at, he may walk a few more times, but the real benefit will be in getting much better pitches to hit. That is the issue facing Buxton now (which was the issue that faced Buxton, Sano, and Rosario during the Twins' dreadful April '16): he is swinging and missing at garbage, so all he is getting is garbage. Lay off the down and away curves and sliders, and eventually they'll have to throw a fastball middle-in. Oldgoat_MN 1
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Of course we won't walk this much going forward but the willingness to take a walk is important. If the scouting report is "except for Mauer and Grossman these guys will swing at anything" the pitchers will continue to nibble at edges and expand the strike zone until the Twins prove differently. If the report is "these guys walk a lot and don;t chase much" then the Twins will get better pitches to hit. d-mac, Oldgoat_MN, tarheeltwinsfan and 1 other 4
Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Didn't the Twins draw a lot more walks in 2015, particularly when they had that incredible hot month of May? Things do go in cycles, but I'm sure they'll normalize. On Rosario--I don't mind a guy that doesn't walk much (Kirby for example) as long as they don't constantly get themselves out by chasing. If Rosario is more disciplined at what he swings at, he may walk a few more times, but the real benefit will be in getting much better pitches to hit.Oddly enough, in 2015 the team had its worst walk rate during that excellent month of May. March/April: 7.1 BB%May: 6.1June: 7.0July: 7.0Aug.: 7.0Sept./Oct.: 9.2 And last year's gawd awful team drew significantly more walks than that 2015 squad, 513-439. ToddlerHarmon and Oldgoat_MN 2
Tweety Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Hate to be the skeptic, but I'm pretty sure this is just a case of the Royals' pitching being unable to locate the strike zone. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. chpettit19 and Danchat 2
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Of course we won't walk this much going forward but the willingness to take a walk is important. If the scouting report is "except for Mauer and Grossman these guys will swing at anything" the pitchers will continue to nibble at edges and expand the strike zone until the Twins prove differently. If the report is "these guys walk a lot and don;t chase much" then the Twins will get better pitches to hit. If managers use that book on this team, I think they'll get burned and change that plan in a hurry. Kepler doesn't swing at everything and will likely swing at less going forward (career .074 isoD). Sano doesn't swing at everything, he just misses a lot when he does swing (career .098 isoD). I think people continually underrate Polanco's patience and I expect him to be one of the pleasant surprises of the season (career .059 isoD). Dozier certainly isn't afraid to take a pitch (.074 isoD). Castro has always been a relatively patient hitter. It's one of his few offensive pluses (.078 isoD). When you get down to it, two guys in the everyday lineup have bad discipline (Buxton and Rosario). And I expect Rosario to take a small step forward in that regard, though he'll never be patient. As for Buxton, he's a complete wildcard. I have no idea what to expect from the guy. Overall, this lineup is pretty patient across the board. d-mac, ToddlerHarmon, MN_ExPat and 2 others 5
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 It was nice to "see" on gameday. I really like the quote about Sano, I always felt the previous regime was publicly questioning some players, rather than publicly encouraging some players. USAFChief, d-mac and Tom Froemming 3
Halsey Hall Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Overall, this lineup is pretty patient across the board. Right, and they feed off each other. Last year with the terrible start everyone was trying to do to much. This year it's more like just let it happen. And things have been having a way of happening. So much better to watch so far, it could be a fun season. Tom Froemming and Oldgoat_MN 2
tarheeltwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 I think that for the pitcher and his teammates in the field, a walk is more frustrating than a sharply hit single. "Just get the ball over"..."Let them hit it and we'll catch it"..."Dag-gum-the umpire, that 4th ball was a strike"..."It is hot standing out here, quit messing around and throw strikes". At least that was the way it was for my teammates and me when I was trying to pitch. Oldgoat_MN, USAFChief and MN_ExPat 3
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 If managers use that book on this team, I think they'll get burned and change that plan in a hurry. Kepler doesn't swing at everything and will likely swing at less going forward (career .074 isoD). Sano doesn't swing at everything, he just misses a lot when he does swing (career .098 isoD). I think people continually underrate Polanco's patience and I expect him to be one of the pleasant surprises of the season (career .059 isoD). Dozier certainly isn't afraid to take a pitch (.074 isoD). Castro has always been a relatively patient hitter. It's one of his few offensive pluses (.078 isoD). When you get down to it, two guys in the everyday lineup have bad discipline (Buxton and Rosario). And I expect Rosario to take a small step forward in that regard, though he'll never be patient. As for Buxton, he's a complete wildcard. I have no idea what to expect from the guy. Overall, this lineup is pretty patient across the board.I don't think that was as true last year. They struck out the 6th most and were in the lower half for walks taken. I agree with Halsey that they were pressing last year and I think Buxton still has that going on now but as you pointed out some of these guys are young and relatively inexperienced and should just get better with more reps.
jorgenswest Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the statcorner data from this series. Is it possible that 32.2% of called pitches in the strike zone were called balls with Perez as catcher? The number was 21.7% for Castro. I wonder what the scouting report on those umpires must look like. Don't swing at anything on the edges has to be a key emphasis. The Twins did a good job of staying patient. Patience in the next series may result in more pitches in the zone being called strikes and adjustment will be critical.
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Hate to be the skeptic, but I'm pretty sure this is just a case of the Royals' pitching being unable to locate the strike zone. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.Certainly a factor which is why I said we can't expect the same thing forward. On the other hand I don't think the only reason it took us 11 games last year to score 21 runs was because the opponents were throwing strikes. Give this year's team credit for having quality at bats so far. Sano in particular. Oldgoat_MN, bluechipper and d-mac 3
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