Joe Ryan is the Twins' Most Valuable Trade Asset

[MangLitch]

Ryan for Ohtani, straight up? Only if Ohtani signs a long term deal and even then I am not sure..... 😏🎣

[mnfireman]

2 minutes ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

If you think the Twins lose the next 9 games, while the rest of the central doesn't lose between now and August 1, so they are what, 5 games back (in this hypothetical) AND they then trade Ryan, well, I don't know what to say.

Do you also want to purchase some oceanfront property in southern MN?

Evidently sarcasm is not one of your strong points, so I will just play it straight from here on out.

- I do not think that the Twins will trade Ryan, he is not an "Ace" but he is slots in very nicely as the teams 2 or 3.

- I do not think the team will fall out of contention in 11 days, but they are not showing the ability to separate from pack in a very mediocre division.

- I fully agree that Paddack will be a part of the 2024 rotation (probably 2023 also, or at least BP), but he is coming off of his second TJ surgery and it is unknown what he contribute. SWR, Varland or a FA signing could fill out the rotation.

- I believe Gray and Maeda would both accept QO if tendered, otherwise both could wind up sitting deep into the off-season or go unsigned. The team may be able to sign one to a FA contract, but I don't think it would be for more than about 3/$36-$39 MM. Contradictory statement I know, but any of these is a possibility with these two.

- I prefer my little slice of heaven up in NW MN, but would be willing to come look... 

[Cory Engelhardt]

6 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

Evidently sarcasm is not one of your strong points, so I will just play it straight from here on out.

- I do not think that the Twins will trade Ryan, he is not an "Ace" but he is slots in very nicely as the teams 2 or 3.

- I do not think the team will fall out of contention in 11 days, but they are not showing the ability to separate from pack in a very mediocre division.

- I fully agree that Paddack will be a part of the 2024 rotation (probably 2023 also, or at least BP), but he is coming off of his second TJ surgery and it is unknown what he contribute. SWR, Varland or a FA signing could fill out the rotation.

- I believe Gray and Maeda would both accept QO if tendered, otherwise both could wind up sitting deep into the off-season or go unsigned. The team may be able to sign one to a FA contract, but I don't think it would be for more than about 3/$36-$39 MM. Contradictory statement I know, but any of these is a possibility with these two.

- I prefer my little slice of heaven up in NW MN, but would be willing to come look... 

I was just trying to say the two options you mentioned are both unlikely :)

 

NW MN is great, no doubt.

 

 

[jmlease1]

Ryan is in that sweet spot where he's both one of the Twins most valuable players and most valuable assets in a trade. Which means there's little to no chance the Twins would even consider dealing him. he's basically in the "unless you're offering something monumental, we're hanging up now" category if anyone calls the twins about him. The Twins are not shopping him in any way shape or form.

Joe Ryan is exactly what the Twins have been working to find for years now: a cost-controlled playoff caliber starter under team control for multiple seasons. Even if the Twins stunk this season, he's not a guy you'd look to deal even if you were trying to blow up the whole thing, unless you decided you weren't going to try and be good for three years and there's very little reason to think that's a good decision for the franchise.

I get we're closing in on the trade deadline and the site is trying to generate related content, but this isn't great.

On the other hand, you suckered me into commenting, so...

[tony&rodney]

2 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

On the other hand, you suckered me into commenting, so...

Got me too.

[Rod Carews Birthday]

As the youth say. . . I can't even. . . (said with a sigh and a head flipped backwards). . .

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Not attacking the writer; trying to understand the premise or logic of it though. 

Are you able to think of a realistic overpay that would actually be accepted? I'm of the belief that there isn't one out there that 1) Another team would offer, 2) The Twins wouldn't hang up the phone over, and 3) Would actually benefit the team for 2023-2027.

I'd also say that Chris Paddack is most likely in the rotation in 2024. I also think a QO for Maeda or Gray will be on the table, and it's POSSIBLE one accepts. Otherwise, the rest of free agency/offseason can be used to add to the team.

If Maeda can hold things together over the next 8-9 weeks we should definitely try to re-sign him. He’s be a value at $12M & that’s a $5M raise. He’s 35 now but with a re-built arm he may have a couple more good years left & he’s a very adequate 5th starter!!

Paddack - Varland should have the other spot covered………hoping for good health!!

Ryan - Lopez - Ober are the core through ‘27!!!

 

[Craig Arko]

Maybe we could just find somebody willing to swap whole franchises.

[Mike Sixel]

Saying he's currently their most valuable player isn't the same as saying trade him......

 

[TNtwins85]

If Ryan gets tradedthen we might as well shop the whole team. Fire Falvine and the whole coaching staff. Oh, also might as well sell the team while they’re at it. After that we’ll all pick a new favorite team and we can revisit being a Twins fan in 4-6 years. If we haven’t already traded Walker Jenkins yet that is.

[Schmoeman5]

3 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

Ryan is in that sweet spot where he's both one of the Twins most valuable players and most valuable assets in a trade. Which means there's little to no chance the Twins would even consider dealing him. he's basically in the "unless you're offering something monumental, we're hanging up now" category if anyone calls the twins about him. The Twins are not shopping him in any way shape or form.

Joe Ryan is exactly what the Twins have been working to find for years now: a cost-controlled playoff caliber starter under team control for multiple seasons. Even if the Twins stunk this season, he's not a guy you'd look to deal even if you were trying to blow up the whole thing, unless you decided you weren't going to try and be good for three years and there's very little reason to think that's a good decision for the franchise.

I get we're closing in on the trade deadline and the site is trying to generate related content, but this isn't great.

On the other hand, you suckered me into commenting, so...

I agree with everything you say. Ober and Lopez are also under control for the next few years. That's a good start going forward.  Then realistically there's Paddack who they hope can come back strong. That leaves only 1 maybe 2 slots to fill and I'm sure that's a main agenda for the FO. If the pitching pipeline delivers then they'd have an opportunity to fill voids elsewhere with those assets

[ashbury]

Clickbait, trolling.  To-may-to, to-mah-to.

[Stew]

This is a nice one I don't have to really write much. I think the consensus is: Are you out of your mind?

[bird]

Is Ryan a redundant, internally replaceable asset? No? I rest my case, Your Honor.

Trade from surplus! For example, the Twins have a surplus of outfielders performing at below replacement value. A large surplus. And they have a surplus of outfielders that can replace those rally killers with an immediate, albeit incremental performance improvement.

Quit thinking about highest trade value. Nelson Cruz did not represent the highest trade value. And he netted us Ryan. Trading a nominal value Cruz for Ryan was smart. Would trading Ryan, in any circumstance, be smart. Yes, if a team was dumb enough to give us TWO mid-to-front rotation guys who are plug and play.

[Thebigalguy]

Trading Arraez was bad enough. Ryan? I don’t think so.

[jkcarew]

It seems unfathomable that it could ever get to the point where it would make sense for the Twins to trade pitching for hitting. But we might be there…or headed in that direction. My how the tables have turned.

Still, you’re not trading Ryan anytime soon.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

No.

[Riverbrian]

I can't see a Ryan trade materializing especially with Gray and Maeda reaching free agency...  but... it's not as crazy as it sounds. Certainly not at the deadline... but in the off-season? 

Ryan could fetch a real nice big time controllable major league ready bat.     

The Cardinals for example would really like some pitching.

Would they part with Walker straight up? It doesn't seem far fetched to me. They want pitching... We need offense.

You'd have to consider it if they would. 

 

[cmoss84]

Jordan Walker and Hicks + Montgomery and I'm pondering...

[cmoss84]

6 hours ago, Thebigalguy said:

Trading Arraez was bad enough. Ryan? I don’t think so.

Great trade for both teams.

[weitz41]

Real world. Not a chance. Fantasy land... Soto and Tatis should cover it. Oh, and Padres pay 90% of their salaries.

A couple years from now and on track for 100 loss season I could see it (a Ryan trade) happening, just not now.

[Whitey333]

I had to do a double are and make sure it wasn't a rand stu balls article.  Then I realized it's Saturday and not Friday.  Anyway Ryan obviously isn't going anywhere.  But the Twins need to seriously consider trading the players like Gray, Maeda, Gallo, Kepler etc that may not be here next year.  Would be smart to get something for them before they leave and we get nothing.

[terrydactyls]

It's a sound business model that makes everyone in their organization available for trade.   Making someone available doesn't mean you have to trade him.  All you are doing by not making everyone available is limiting your chances to improve.

[MileHighTwinsFan]

The "I know this won't happen, but" stories are non-starters for me guys.  

[3rd Inning Stretch]

I will bite…still not sure I say yes. 

[3rd Inning Stretch]

Too soon? 

[John Belinski]

I think we will trade Gray to a team that wants to win this year and get a hitter to help the Twins win. Some team that either needs short term pitching help to win their division or a team that will resign Gray to long term contract