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Exactly. Also the fact that they have waaaayyy to many OF’s and LH OF’s at that. This whole PPI speculation is simply Twinsdaily staff looking for clicks as I’ve seen it written about a thousand times. The reasons go as such. 1. Too many OF’s, who gets bumped? 2. Jenkins needs AB’s if he’s brought up. 3. Erod needs AB’s as he’s out of options. 4. If the 27 season is delayed Jenkins doesn’t have to sit out if not on the 40. 5. Maybe PPI here. That’s the order. PPI isn’t even close to the top reason. Come on Twinsdaily. Stop speculating this garbage. Do better.

This is why neither is up. They simply have too many damn outfielders and especially LH outfielders. Why they didn’t choose to package about 3 of these guys for a rookie ball lotto ticket to clear a path is beyond me. Larnach’s success this year finally gave them the opportunity to move him for something. They almost did. That will be an opportunity lost not only for the Twins in getting something back but also giving Jenkins and Rodriguez a more clear path.

You’re missing everyone’s point guy. Everyone is making valid points about the names involved, where this team is at and why you come to the point that in reality it never made any sense to trade for Neto. The Pohlads are not suckering anyone in terms of prospects. You don’t trade the highest rated prospect since Byron Buxton for Zach Neto.

I’m just flabbergasted at why you would trade a consensus top 10-15 prospect in MLB with 6 years of control and GG caliber defense in a corner and above average CF ability with a .838 OPS as a 21 year old in AAA for 4 years of a defensively challenged SS who averages almost a strikeout a game. Usually when you trade elite prospects you want elite talent back. Neto is not that guy. Besides the dingers he offers very little. Hence, unless you are a Neto caliber player away from competing for a World Series( which the Twins are not) you keep Jenkins. Especially when the ask began with Jenkins which meant you probably need more top 10 organizational prospects to get him. Which means the Angels didn’t really want to trade him and the Twins would’ve been dumb to sell the farm for a guy of Neto’s average talent. Not obtuse. Just wondering why you’re clutching to this stupid scenario so bad lol

Yes, if the conversation started with Culpepper or Houston then of course you listen. As soon as they say Jenkins then you know they’re not trading him.

I explained clearly when and what you trade a prospect like Jenkins for. Zach Neto is not that type of player. Now is not that time. I never said he was a “can’t miss prospect.” Most of the time I would tend to agree you should trade prospects. I stated that in the beginning. What didn’t you get?

I would usually tend to agree but the report was the negotiations started with Jenkins. It ended there and it should have. If Neto was a plus defender at SS then possibly, but you don’t trade a potential GG OF who has middle of the order for 6 years potential for a guy like Neto unless you’re one Neto type player away from competing for a WS. If the Twins were there then yes you go for that. The Twins are not there so you keep Jenkins 100%. If the ask is a package starting with anyone not named Jenkins then you listen.

Joe Ryan is not getting traded. The only way Tom Pohlad allows that to happen is this. A massive overpay. A full season nets you 2 top 100’s and probably a lottery ticket or two as well. Doesn’t matter what his arbitration number is. It’s still a bargain unless Joe Ryan somehow commands a Skubal arbitration number which won’t happen. If none of these things happen which I figure they won’t you roll into the season. Look at the Jeffers situation. This is how it’s handled. If they’re competitive still in July they keep him. If they’re not they trade him for a slightly less package. This is the only part of the scenario resembling Skubal. They get 1 top 100 and another organizations top 10-15. If they’re competitive they keep him and offer the QO which may still be in place next offseason but who knows. That is the plan. It has almost nothing to do with Skubal this year. Also, the Twins are not signing a 30 year old SP to any long term deals. If that happens then you should be outraged because that’s bad value and it won’t be for $20-$25M.

Would he have helped the offense? Yes. At the expense of losing Jenkins I think this trade would’ve been a mistake. Neto is solid now but defensively I can’t plug him in when Culpepper and Houston are in the mix. Just not a good fit either way you look at it.

Was puzzled when they drafted him. I’m even more puzzled why anyone thinks he should be in the Majors above Bell, Lewis or anyone else really. This guy will get cooked in the MLB. Case study #1: Matt Wallner.

Yes, I believe he missed the boat by a year. If he was performing like this last year maybe he gets a shot in August/September. This year…. I doubt it unless everyone gets injured.

If the last few weeks are any indicator this bullpen is gonna be relied upon to simply keep them in the game long enough for their patented 7th-9th inning comebacks. Somebody in that hitting group is gonna have to get hot these last 2 months to win. Maybe that guy is Buxton. Maybe it’s someone unexpected. Time to step up.

Thank you for the rationalization of these moves. I think some forget this is real life Major League Baseball with real players as opposed to some delusional MLB the show game where all stars can be had for an actual bucket of balls and all of your unwanted D quality players.

What do you suggest they should’ve given up?

Soooo… you wanted another fire sale? I don't understand what you’re getting at.