Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Lance Lynn held the Angels to one run over six innings, Miguel Sano had a run-scoring hit and Robbie Grossman hit a homer. You’d think that’d be a recipe for victory, but the bullpen gave up three runs and the Twins scored only twice.Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)Current record: 27-33Starting Pitcher: 68 Game Score, 6.0 IP, 1 ER, 7 K, 2 BB, 61% strikesBullpen: 3.0 IP, 3 ER, 3 K, 0 BBLineup: 0-for-3 w/RISP, 7 LOBTop three per WPA: Lynn .265, Grossman .084, Rosario .028Download attachment: WinEx68.png Let’s start out by focusing on the positives. Lynn is looking like the guy who was an above-average MLB starter for so long with the Cardinals. This was his seventh start since the end of April, five of those have been quality starts. His ERA over that stretch is 3.05. This is as confident as I’ve been in the Twins rotation, from top to bottom, in more than a decade. That’s more of an indictment on how bad the team’s starting pitching has been, but still, a nice development. Also a positive: Prince night provided this pearl of a moment:On the negative side, the only good that Lynn's turnaround may do for the Twins is improve his trade value. The Twins lost to a good Angels team while Cleveland beat Detroit. The lineup managed just two runs, the first on a Sano double and the second on a go-ahead home run from Grossman. Lynn exited this game with the Twins leading 2-1, but the bullpen couldn’t hold. Ryan Pressly gave up a two-run homer in the seventh. This was his third-straight game in which he gave up two earned runs. He’s given up seven earned runs over his last four innings pitched. He should be nowhere near a high-leverage situation right now, and could probably benefit from a trip to the DL. Addison Reed gave up a home run to the first batter he faced in the eighth. He’s now given up four earned runs over his last five innings pitched. Meanwhile, Trevor Hildenberger hasn’t given up a run of any kind — earned, unearned, inherited — over his last eight appearances. Might be time to mix things up a bit. The one guy who did pitch a scoreless inning out of the bullpen, Tyler Duffey, was optioned after the game. Baseball is cruel. Eddie Rosario and Eduardo Escobar both had multi-hit games, because of course they did. Postgame With MolitorBullpen UsageHere’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:Download attachment: Bullpen68.png AL Central StandingsCLE 33-28DET 30-35 (-5)MIN 27-33 (-5.5)CHW 21-40 (-17)KC 21-42 (-13) Next Three GamesSat vs. LAA, 1:10 pm CTSun vs. LAA, 1:10 pm CTMon OFFTue at DET, 6:10 pm CT Last Three GamesMIN 7, CHW 2: Berrios CG, Power from the Eds Fuel Twins VictoryCHW 5, MIN 2: Time is Running OutMIN 4, CHW 2 & CHW 6, MIN 3: Escobar Hits Dramatic Home Run, Twins Split Doubleheader More From Twins DailyTwins Minor League Report (6/8): Lewis Cracks Fifth HomerWhere Are They Now? Former Twins IF Denny HockingMinnesota Twins 2018 MLB Draft Recap Click here to view the article glunn and Jerr 2
3balls2strikes Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 I'm so over this team. Today was the final straw. Molitor's overuse of Pressley is simply criminal. So much wrong with this team that doesn't have to be. Such a waste. Squirrel 1
Rosterman Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Overuse of bullpen. Cycle in some new guys from the minors, soon. Dozier's Glorious Hair, bighat, Vanimal46 and 5 others 8
curt1965 Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 How many games in a row has Reed given up a HR?As Chris Carter would say, “ Come on, man!” Jerr, jokin and bighat 3
h2oface Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Add the 2 inherited runners scored to Reed's 4 earned in the last 5 innings (it was the first game of this run). Those runs lost a game, too. The pen is imploding, and Militor has worn out the two that were doing the best. Not anymore. Edited June 9, 2018 by h2oface
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 The one guy who did pitch a scoreless inning out of the bullpen, Tyler Duffey, was optioned after the game.What do you think the corresponding move is? Back to 12 pitchers and calling up Cave? Motter? Or swapping Duffey for another reliever like Busenitz?
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Throwin the Pressley is the new throwin in the Ron Davis. Presley has turned back in to his usual pumpkin self. Pressley-----.. Presley------... Pressly------? Baby steps. Edited June 10, 2018 by jokin
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 What do you think the corresponding move is? Back to 12 pitchers and calling up Cave? Motter? Or swapping Duffey for another reliever like Busenitz? Dozier 0/4 2KsSano 1/4 3KsLaMarre 0/3 3 Ks Adrianza? PH for LaMarre? This team needs new hitters that can make contact and recognize pitches- STAT! USNMCPO, Jerr, Squirrel and 1 other 4
Old Twins Cap Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Molitor gets a formula in his head for negotiating the late game innings, it becomes a recipe which has to be followed, he lights the fuse and walks away. So happy that it is a World Cup year. adjacent and DannySD 2
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 The bullpen needs to be fixed. Give time for Pressly and Reed to reset because clearly both have lost the feel of their pitches. They're both still on pace for 90+ appearances which is unsustainable over the course of the season. Dozier's Glorious Hair and Richie the Rally Goat 2
rv78 Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Outside of Grossman's homerun, just another normal game for the Twins. Rosario, Escobar and Kepler(kind of) provide some offense and the rest of the lineup got their whiffs in. Why the heck is Dozier batting leadoff? Why is Sano in the lineup? Morrison is a bust. No catcher here. How in the world was this team expected to make it back to the playoffs? Escobar was suppose to be a utility player and he's one of your best hitters? Nobody can bunt. They won't try to steal a base. They don't even try to hit to the opposite field. Shouldn't they be taught that in the minors? How to hit to ALL fields instead of pull, pull, pull. Watch Rosario and Escobar. They are the only 2 players they have that are hitting and they are the only 2 that hit to all fields. Are the rest of the players, coaches included, that blind? Gotta love them Twins, for years they had an offense that could score a lot of runs, but they didn't have any starting pitching. Now that they have starting pitching, they can't score any runs. h2oface, mikelink45 and USNMCPO 3
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Outside of Grossman's homerun, just another normal game for the Twins. Rosario, Escobar and Kepler(kind of) provide some offense and the rest of the lineup got their whiffs in. Why the heck is Dozier batting leadoff? Why is Sano in the lineup? Morrison is a bust. No catcher here. How in the world was this team expected to make it back to the playoffs? Escobar was suppose to be a utility player and he's one of your best hitters? Nobody can bunt. They won't try to steal a base. They don't even try to hit to the opposite field. Shouldn't they be taught that in the minors? How to hit to ALL fields instead of pull, pull, pull. Watch Rosario and Escobar. They are the only 2 players they have that are hitting and they are the only 2 that hit to all fields. Are the rest of the players, coaches included, that blind? Gotta love them Twins, for years they had an offense that could score a lot of runs, but they didn't have any starting pitching. Now that they have starting pitching, they can't score any runs. They won't bunt for hits and they won't steal but they get picked off base and get thrown out on the bases more than I have ever seen. Garver appears to have no instincts on either side of the ball. Sano would benefit greatly from using all fields and by toning his swing down. I most definitely did not expect this team to make the playoffs. The team I thought had a decent chance of the playoffs included Mauer, Buxton, Polanco and Santana along with Sano and Dozier having decent years. I don't know how capable this team is currently but they should be able to achieve the goal of not playing ugly baseball. rdehring, PDX Twin, h2oface and 2 others 5
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 The bullpen needs to be fixed. Give time for Pressly and Reed to reset because clearly both have lost the feel of their pitches.They're both still on pace for 90+ appearances which is unsustainable over the course of the season.I get 89 for Pressley and 81 for Reed rather than 90+. Reed has some history being effective with heavy usage. Pressley does not. I would prefer both of them pitching two innings when sharp which would give them the same amount of innings in half the appearances. Vanimal46, rdehring, rghrbek and 1 other 4
rdehring Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 When Pressly came into a one-run game last night, my stomach tightened and my nerves were shot. Then I watched him pitch breaking ball after breaking ball to two straight batters and the game was over. Not only is he on track to pitching 90 games, whomever is making the decision of what pitches to throw is brain dead. Maybe he should mix in his 97 mph fastball? After last night's demotion, I expect Tyler Duffey is looking at a calendar to see how many days it is until he becomes a free agent and can get out of this circus. Unfortunately, they can't send Pressly and/or Reed out to the minors and I suspect Molitor is begging for a new arm. Bigger question is: Will he use it or abuse it? And yes, that may be the first negative comment I have ever made about our Manager. At least the first I remember. The wild card isn't an option so the only way into the playoffs is to win the division. After every loss of a winnable game (2 this week), that task is getting harder and harder. Maybe Polanco's return will be the shot in the arm they need to get on a streak. He is back in what, three weeks? And yes, Tom, Lance Lynn is certainly improving his value to someone else come July.
wsnydes Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 The bullpen needs to be fixed. Give time for Pressly and Reed to reset because clearly both have lost the feel of their pitches. They're both still on pace for 90+ appearances which is unsustainable over the course of the season.Which makes the Duffy move even more baffling. He's been effective and clearly Reed and Pressly are overused, so why reduce the bullpen by another arm? I suppose that the logic could be that Molitor isn't going to use any other bullpen pieces anyway, why not bring up another position player... though I'm curious to see if he actually uses Cave.
Tibs Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Who was Duffey optioned for? Can't find anything about it
Danchat Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 I feel like the bullpen is masking the problem that the hitters aren't scoring enough runs. You're not going to win games when you score just two runs. Also, it's nice to see Lynn turn back into the pitcher he once was. These last few starts for him have looked like the guy I thought the Twins signed. He's clearly worked hard to improve his game after starting so dreadful. I don't feel like this team should be 6 games under .500 with a rotation like this. So Cave is coming up for Duffey... why? What is it going to take to get Busenitz up here? They could really use another bullpen arm, but for now they'll go with less relievers... wsnydes and D.C Twins 2
Danchat Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Who was Duffey optioned for? Can't find anything about it Tibs 1
rdehring Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Your comments about Lance Lynn improving his value got me thinking. To move him in July will require their getting an excellent return. He may be one of the better pitchers available to contending teams. But more important, I don't see why they wouldn't be comfortable giving him a qualifying offer to a one year contract at the end of the year. He wasn't acquired mid-season, so I believe they would get a COMP pick if he signed elsewhere. Would that be a first round or second round pick? So any offer would have to be for something better than that in players and or International money.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 But more important, I don't see why they wouldn't be comfortable giving him a qualifying offer to a one year contract at the end of the year.Players can't get more than 1 qualifying offer in their career anymore, per the new CBA. So we couldn't offer one to Lynn. h2oface and Danchat 2
Aerodeliria Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) A couple of comments from the Far East. This was the second game I was able to watch on TV this season, interestingly both were Lynn vs.the Angels. Lynn looked awful the last time he pitched; this time, he was a completely different hombre. He was superb. Pressly may be tired, but what was more disconcerting was his pitch selection. Of the first 18 pitches he threw, I believe that only three were fastballs. Maldonado and Kinsler were both sitting on breaking balls, and each finally, got one they could rip. This visibly upset Pressly and he proceeded to fire four straight fastballs to an overmatched Trout. I don't who is to blame for this (Pressly, Garver, Pitching coaches?), but when a guy can bring heat at 95+, he should be throwing that pitch often. The old tried and true adage applies here: If you're gonna get beat, get beat with your best pitch. Edited June 9, 2018 by Aerodeliria ashbury, Squirrel and rv78 3
rghrbek Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 I can give Reed the benefit of the doubt, because he has a track record with heavy usage. Pressly's track record is not so good when Molly leans on him.
wavedog Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Surprised Duffy is being sent down he has pitched well recently. I would rather have seen Pressly get a little DL break - possibly Reed as well. They have been used so much I think they need a rest break. Seems like when they have been brought in recently they each surrendered runs. Other option is bat Pressly at leadoff in the lineup and pinch-hit for him first at-bat so Molly can't use him for a couple of games.
adorduan Verified Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Dozier 0/4 2KsSano 1/4 3KsLaMarre 0/3 3 Ks Adrianza? PH for LaMarre? This team needs new hitters that can make contact and recognize pitches- STAT!Just a little tidbit of info. in the last 10 games.Rosario 39 AB 2KSano 43 AB 20K Danchat, mikelink45 and 70charger 3
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Is Wade going to AAA finally, since they are down an OF? Not sure I get this move, they need arms, I think. The Angels are missing a ton of players sure to injury. Maybe success isn't all about health.... h2oface and D.C Twins 2
h2oface Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Your comments about Lance Lynn improving his value got me thinking. To move him in July will require their getting an excellent return. He may be one of the better pitchers available to contending teams. But more important, I don't see why they wouldn't be comfortable giving him a qualifying offer to a one year contract at the end of the year. He wasn't acquired mid-season, so I believe they would get a COMP pick if he signed elsewhere. Would that be a first round or second round pick? So any offer would have to be for something better than that in players and or International money. Lynn's implosion to start the year can just be thrown out the window? Remember, this is after TJ surgery that took 2016 and some of 2017. A good month can be disregarded very easily for Gibson, but for Lynn? I won't be holding my breath for a substantial return if Lynn is traded. He still has to pitch well for another month. That is yet to be seen. I hope he does.
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 I am not sure I can criticize Molitor on BP use. We do not have the arm that we can ride like some teams. Our collection is definitely middle of the pack, not an outstanding pen and with the current over use of the pen by all teams I do not think there is a great formula. However, using a pitcher (Pressly) until he burns out is not good strategy. Berrios pitching 9 and Gibson 7 is a good formula. I am running out of ideas for this team and my desire to see some of our upside minor league players is not going to fly with this FO.
rdehring Verified Member Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 Lynn's implosion to start the year can just be thrown out the window? Remember, this is after TJ surgery that took 2016 and some of 2017. A good month can be disregarded very easily for Gibson, but for Lynn? I won't be holding my breath for a substantial return if Lynn is traded. He still has to pitch well for another month. That is yet to be seen. I hope he does.Yes it can be thrown out the window. Why, because he didn't have more than a few days of spring training.
h2oface Old-Timey Member Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Yes it can be thrown out the window. Why, because he didn't have more than a few days of spring training. Maybe. I can't, however. He had plenty of time, for the grizzly vet that he is, and he kept throwing on his own. He didn't come to camp unprepared. And regardless, each and every appearance counts. He said he was ready. I am not one to say he doesn't know what he is talking about. And a player can only get one qualifying offer, now (at least two years old rule, I believe), so no comp pick or anything else. I saw Nolasco have good months, too. That didn't fool me either. Nor other GM's that could have acquired him. Edited June 10, 2018 by h2oface
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 I am not sure I can criticize Molitor on BP use. We do not have the arm that we can ride like some teams. Our collection is definitely middle of the pack, not an outstanding pen and with the current over use of the pen by all teams I do not think there is a great formula. However, using a pitcher (Pressly) until he burns out is not good strategy. Berrios pitching 9 and Gibson 7 is a good formula. I am running out of ideas for this team and my desire to see some of our upside minor league players is not going to fly with this FO.In that case Molitor could have made his point by using Hughes and the rule 5 guy (yes, I have already forgotten his name) in higher leverage spots due to the lack of options. Would they have failed? Probably. But, if I’m Molitor I go the press conference and say “I gotta use the guys I have.” That shifts the blame to Falvine for having 2 useless pitchers on the roster for 4-5 weeks. mikelink45, USAFChief, Mike Sixel and 1 other 4
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