Article: No Suspension For Miguel Sano

[strumdatjaguar]

Still worried about at least one player on the current roster who made supportive comments to the alleged victim.  Right or wrong - I'm concerned about resentment in the clubhouse.   

[stockdogg]

And oh yeah, i think this is very good news!

[stockdogg]

"Mauer having long talks with Sano"...lmbo

[jkcarew]

 

You do you, but "moving on" is taking a position that nothing happened

No.  No, it isn't.  It's taking the stance that stances shouldn't be taken, because we don't know what happened.  Period.

[stockdogg]

Still worried about at least one player on the current roster who made supportive comments to the alleged victim.  Right or wrong - I'm concerned about resentment in the clubhouse.

 

Yeah, its going to be weird for Trevor May if and when he comes back. That's why players really should stay out of stuff like that.

[Rosterman]

ot only does things like this need to be cracked down upon in the workplace environment, but players at all levels have to know that their actions on AND off the field reflect n not only their work, but also the organization. 

[DrNeau]

Glad to hear we are not living in a Nazi state. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I understand the Twins Message Board has now been removed. Wow. That was one of the few websites that did not censor posters' posts based on the content alone. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by DrNeau

[The_Phantom]

 

I understand the Twins Message Board has now been removed. Wow. That was one of the few websites that did not censor posters' posts based on the content alone. 

 

Probably because it was a cesspool of Mauer bashing and nothing else. But let's keep this thread on topic. 

[Don't Feed the Greed Guy]

A young Miguel Cabrera struggled with alcoholism and domestic abuse. This brush with trouble may be the "bottom" that causes Miguel Sano to emulate Cabrera's turnaround. According to Derek Wetmore, Sano "wants to be more like Miguel Cabrera." http://www.1500espn.com/twins-2/2017/04/miguel-sano-crushing-baseballs-wants-like-miguel-cabrera/Perhaps this sad, unfortunate story results in a remarkable turnaround for Sano, on and off the field. 

[Brandon]

I do believe betsy that there was a stepping over the line by Sano. What i don't know is by how much. Was he blatantly over stepping the line, was he misled or did he misunderstand signals by her to a point before he crossed the line, what happened when the line was crossed? Did Betsy embellish what happened any to add drama and build her case further? And with the mixed testimonies and the fact that it was 2 years earlier and no one was physically damaged, I got the answer within the range of what I was expecting. 0 - 10 games. I do hope Sano learned where the line is at and steers clear of these allegations again. Moving forward that is the most important aspect and that protocols get put in place throughout the organization to keep this from happening in the future. I dont think Sano will avoid suspension a second time through this process and it may be longer as a result of additional investigations. I do think he did not intend to hurt or force himself on her either. I think these were actions of someone who is still growing up. So i hope no one holds a grudge on him either.

[bustedstuff88]

 

You do you, but "moving on" is taking a position that nothing happened

 

Not "moving on" is taking the position that something happened....

 

There are no winners here. There never would have been even if the outcome had been different. 

 

[baumannmd]

So far, 40+ comments from people who weren’t there, giving their takes on an event they know nothing about. Keep it coming, Internet.

[stockdogg]

So far, 40+ comments from people who weren’t there, giving their takes on an event they know nothing about. Keep it coming, Internet.

 

42 counting yours and mine. So what? Sano and Betsy are the only ones that are allowed to post on this?

[brvama]

I do believe betsy that there was a stepping over the line by Sano. What i don't know is by how much. Was he blatantly over stepping the line, was he misled or did he misunderstand signals by her to a point before he crossed the line, what happened when the line was crossed? Did Betsy embellish what happened any to add drama and build her case further? And with the mixed testimonies and the fact that it was 2 years earlier and no one was physically damaged, I got the answer within the range of what I was expecting. 0 - 10 games. I do hope Sano learned where the line is at and steers clear of these allegations again. Moving forward that is the most important aspect and that protocols get put in place throughout the organization to keep this from happening in the future. I dont think Sano will avoid suspension a second time through this process and it may be longer as a result of

additional investigations. I do think he did not intend to hurt or force himself on her either. I think these were actions of someone who is still growing up. So i hope no one holds a grudge on him either.

 

Very well stated Brandon and I'm totally with you.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

So far, 40+ comments from people who weren’t there, giving their takes on an event they know nothing about. Keep it coming, Internet.

Several of us actually know Betsy so I wouldn't call it "nothing". A few of the Twins Daily folks knew about it before Betsy said anything publicly.

[adorduan]

They made the right decision.  Her story and actions were too suspect to merit much, if any punishment. IMO, of course.

[Blackjack]

Where there is smoke there is fire. 

 

Hopefully Sano has learned a lesson about keeping has testosterone in check!!!!

[stockdogg]

Several of us actually know Betsy so I wouldn't call it "nothing". A few of the Twins Daily folks knew about it before Betsy said anything publicly.

Right, we learned that when she said there was nothing to lose when TD lost their credentials. But to his, point, you guys don't anymore that happened than anyone else.

 

BTW, how soon before she announced did you guys know about it or was it right after it happened?

[stockdogg]

They made the right decision.  Her story and actions were too suspect to merit much, if any punishment. IMO, of course.

 

Agreed. I know a lot of people are disappointed in the decision not to suspend but is there any proof any of that happened? If not then how would suspending Sano be fair to him?

[S.]

 

MLB: Insufficient evidence. On your way, young man.

 

Sano: Yay, I'm completely innocent!

 

MLB: Yeah, sure. Just don't do it again.

C'mon now. Regardless of what you believe happened, the fact is none of us have anything more than a he said, she said situation and we don't have the slightest clue whats going through Sano's mind in relation to all of this. Its disingenuous to pretend that either Sano or the MLB isn't taking it seriously when you have no basis for that claim.

Edited March 24, 2018 by S.

[crapforks]

Might as well lock this thread. Some pretty gross takes showing up.

[bean5302]

MLB has shown an open willingness to punish players without the type of evidence necessary to prove accusations in a legal setting before, either probable cause or beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

MLB conducted over 20 interviews and given the current political climate, you can bet they didn’t take their decision lightly. There’s absolutely no reason to doubt the quality or integrity of the MLB investigation.

 

MLB didn’t say “Sano’s accuser was full of ****” or something of that nature. The investigation was almost certainly very thorough, but it was obviously unable to uncover any solid evidence Sano acted inappropriately.

 

This was never going to be about a “sexual assault” as police would have been handling that investigation. It’s not MLBs duty to investigate crimes. It’s MLBs duty to investigate personal conduct and determine whether or not a player has violated personal conduct rules, which isn’t limited in scope to crimes. There just wasn’t significant evidence OR perhaps there wasn’t significant interest from the accuser to pursue punishment. We don’t know, and we never will.

 

It would be nice if people had a shred of respect for the hard work of MLB investigators and the process, though.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm happy for the team and for Miguel.  I hope for Betsy there is justice in telling her story and having people listen and sympathize with her.

[Thrylos]

 

 

MLB didn’t say “Sano’s accuser was full of ****” or something of that nature. The investigation was almost certainly very thorough, but it was obviously unable to uncover any solid evidence Sano acted inappropriately.

 

FWIW, the MLB said that there was an "absence of contemporaneous substantiation" (their words) of the accuser's claims, which in legalese is pretty close to what you typed up there... 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Thrylos

[RegularJoe62]

We'll never know for sure what happened in this kind of he-said-she-said story, but personally I believe Betsy, not only because she has little to gain and a lot to lose by telling her story, but also because of his misbehavior with the stadium ushers with the Chattanooga Lookouts and other credible reports of misbehavior with women. So, good for him that he's been cleared to play by MLB, but suffice it to say that I won't be buying any Sano jerseys.

 

[Darius]

It's ridiculous to me that everyone just assumes that he did it, but there just wasn't "enough" proof (which doesn't even make sense, either there is or there isn't proof).

 

What makes me "itchy" about this situation is all the people who think they're qualified to play judge and jury on social media.

 

This isn't an attempt to tear into the "victim" (again, more loaded language being used). But things like this do get made up by accusers for various reasons. You absolutely cannot start throwing the book at everyone that Twitter assumes is guilty, with no witnesses, no evidence, and no admission (denial, in fact). We're still operating in America, here.

 

Sexual assault is an issue. A big one. But we need to be really careful in regards to the language we use and the conclusions we draw. Its all the rage these days to feign outrage, virtue signal, seek victimhood for attention, etc. almost nothing can be taken at face value anymore, yet Sano was assumed guilty the minute the first Tweet related to the "incident" was posted.

[mikelink45]

MLB has now given us all the right to move on.  I have no judgment about this.  If it repeats I will have no respect for Sano.  If he becomes a productive member of the team for the season I will be pleased.  Thanks to MLB for conducting what I can only assume was a thorough examination.

[Dr. Evil]

I hope that the lady that made the accusation is ok and dealing with the original incident as well as the ruling ok. This ruling does not mean it didn't happen. I feel bad for her. She needs to know that people believe in her and understand.

[mickeymental]

sano for president!

[jimbo92107]

 

C'mon now. Regardless of what you believe happened, the fact is none of us have anything more than a he said, she said situation and we don't have the slightest clue whats going through Sano's mind in relation to all of this. Its disingenuous to pretend that either Sano or the MLB isn't taking it seriously when you have no basis for that claim.

Yeah, sure. I just hope he doesn't do it again.

 

Meanwhile, I hope you realize whose rhetoric you are echoing. Let's leave it at that. Play ball.