Cody Christie Twins Daily Contributor Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Image courtesy of © Nathan Ray Seebeck-Imagn Images Every July, baseball conversations become centered around a simple question: Are you buying or selling? For many organizations, the answer is straightforward. Contenders push their chips into the middle of the table, while rebuilding clubs cash in veterans for future assets. But not every front office has the luxury of operating in such absolutes. The Tampa Bay Rays have spent years proving there is another way. Operating with one of baseball's smallest payrolls, the Rays have consistently remained competitive by blending aggressive buying with calculated selling. They add pieces that improve their postseason chances, while simultaneously reshaping the roster for future seasons. Rather than viewing the trade deadline as an all-or-nothing proposition, they treat it as another opportunity to maximize organizational value. If the Twins remain in the playoff picture over the next month, Jeremy Zoll may have the chance to follow a similar blueprint. Buy Without Emptying the Farm System One of Tampa Bay's defining strengths is resisting the temptation to sacrifice elite prospects for splashy acquisitions. Instead of chasing players with multiple years of control, the Rays frequently target rental players who address immediate needs. The cost is lower, the financial commitment disappears after the season, and their prospect pipeline remains intact. That philosophy should appeal to Minnesota. The Twins have spent the last several years rebuilding one of baseball's deepest farm systems. Walker Jenkins, Kaelen Culpepper, Marek Houston, Eduardo Tait, Riley Quick, and several others represent the organization's long-term foundation. Trading multiple top prospects for a controllable starter simply doesn't align with the direction the organization has taken. If Minnesota adds pitching, targeting expiring contracts instead of long-term commitments would allow the club to compete in 2026 without compromising its future. Prioritize Pitching Above Everything Else Like Tampa Bay, the Twins are built around run prevention—or, at least, the winning version of themselves they're trying to forge is. Injuries have stretched Minnesota's pitching depth throughout the season, exposing just how thin the organization has become on the mound. Whether it's another starting pitcher capable of covering meaningful innings or multiple late-inning relievers, pitching should remain the organization's top priority. The Rays routinely acquire experienced arms not only to improve their playoff chances, but also to protect younger pitchers from excessive workloads. Minnesota has similar motivations. Even if several injured pitchers return before October, adding another dependable arm would lessen the burden on the current rotation while strengthening the bullpen for a potential postseason run. Sell From Positions of Strength Selling doesn't necessarily mean waving the white flag. Tampa Bay frequently trades players from areas of organizational depth before they become expensive or blocked by younger talent. Those moves create opportunities for the next wave of prospects while maintaining long-term flexibility. The Twins find themselves in a comparable situation offensively. Their biggest organizational surplus exists in the outfield. Byron Buxton remains one of the lineup's stars. Trevor Larnach and Matt Wallner continue to split time, while Kody Clemens has earned regular at-bats. Meanwhile, Alan Roden and Jenkins are waiting in Triple-A, with Jenkins widely viewed as one of baseball's premier prospects. Behind the plate, Ryan Jeffers is on an expiring contract, and Victor Caratini has been one of the team’s best offensive players over the last month. The Twins aren’t likely to give Jeffers a qualifying offer, so it would be in the team’s best interest to trade him and get some value back before he leaves in free agency. There's simply not enough playing time for everyone. If Minnesota believes Jenkins is close to becoming an everyday contributor, moving an established major-league outfielder for pitching could improve both the present roster and future roster construction. That type of move may look like selling on the surface, but it could actually strengthen the 2026 club. Address Specific Weaknesses The Rays rarely make trades simply because talent is available. Instead, they identify specific roster deficiencies and fill them. Minnesota's weakness isn't difficult to identify. Pitching depth remains the obvious concern. Rather than making a blockbuster move for the biggest available name, the Twins could pursue one starter capable of stabilizing the rotation or multiple bullpen arms capable of shortening games. Filling those targeted needs would have a far greater impact than simply adding the most recognizable player on the market. A Major League-for-Major League Swap Makes Sense Perhaps the most intriguing possibility is one that doesn't fit neatly into either category. The Twins possess major-league hitters who have value across baseball. Other organizations possess controllable pitching but need offensive help. That creates opportunities for baseball trades. Instead of exchanging prospects for veterans, Minnesota could move from an area of surplus while addressing its biggest weakness at the same time. Those deals are difficult to construct, but they're often the type of creative transactions organizations like Tampa Bay execute successfully. For instance, in July 2024, the Rays dealt third baseman Isaac Paredes to the Cubs in exchange for low-OBP slugger Christopher Morel. Neither of those principals worked out as hoped for their new clubs, but Tampa also got two arms in the deal, who now hold significant promise for them. The Third Path: Buying and Selling The American League standings have kept nearly everyone involved in the postseason race. With so few clubs clearly buying or selling, creativity may become more valuable than aggression. The Twins don't have the pitching depth to comfortably stand pat. They also shouldn't feel obligated to sacrifice premium prospects simply because they're on the fringes of contention. Instead, they have an opportunity to borrow from one of baseball's most successful small-market organizations. Trade from offensive depth. Add pitching. Preserve the top of the farm system. Keep one eye on October while refusing to mortgage the future. For years, the Rays have shown that buying and selling aren't mutually exclusive. If Minnesota is still in the race when the trade deadline arrives, Jeremy Zoll may have every reason to prove the same thing. Can Zoll be a buyer and a seller at the 2026 MLB Trade Deadline? Leave a comment and start the discussion. View full article
miller761 Verified Member Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Alan Roden should be up on the big league club. Can he cut it? Then you trade Larnach. Trade Jeffers otherwise you lose Jackson. If you trade those 2 pieces you should be able to add 2 players to help fill holes on your team which should be pitching and you have not created a hole in your position player depth. I admire what Tampa Bay has done but it does not work every time. Milwaukee has been extremely successful with a payroll similar to ours. They do a version of the Tampa Bay guide and they don't mind trading away soon to be free agents. Hopefully Mr. Zoll looks around and studies the sucessfull teams similar to his team. Punto4President, DocBauer and CarpetGuy 3
laloesch Verified Member Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Still a hole at 1st. Lewis is doing slightly better, but still not much better than before his demotion. Jeff K, Punto4President, Vanimal46 and 1 other 4
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, laloesch said: Still a hole at 1st. Lewis is doing slightly better, but still not much better than before his demotion. ? .267/.323/.489 slash in 99 PA since the reset. .163/.261/.279 slash in 119 PA before the reset. Jeff K, LivableWage, Punto4President and 16 others 19
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Ideal trade deadline for me… Trade Joe Ryan for a premium. He should have 10+ teams interested in his services. His past quotes indicate he’s counting his days here. Trade Ryan Jeffers. We have a 0.000000001% chance of extending him or offering the QO. Get what you can, and if the Pohlads have a desire, re-sign him as a FA. Trade 1 or both of Matt Wallner/Austin Martin. They’re not going to be a core or supporting cast member next time the Twins are good. Trade Josh Bell. There’s a reason he signs 1 year deals everywhere and why he gets traded at the deadline more often than not. He’s a hired gun for contending teams. Mike Sixel, TheLeviathan, weitz41 and 4 others 6 1
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I’m conflicted about trading Larnach now with his improved performance at the plate. I could see him being the cost controlled effective DH/part time LF for next year. ashbury and Danchat 2
ashbury Verified Member Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 15 hours ago, Vanimal46 said: I’m conflicted about trading Larnach now with his improved performance at the plate. I could see him being the cost controlled effective DH/part time LF for next year. As soon as someone has trade value, it means there's value also in just keeping him. It is not that I dislike Trevor but his skill set seems so redundant to others in the system and he has started costing more. Except ... he's producing right now and the other "equal or better" options keep getting dinged up. Larnach's been healthy - I don't think he's missed significant time since a "core muscle strain" wrecked the second half of his 2022 season. Punto4President, TL, weitz41 and 5 others 8
tony&rodney Verified Member Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Sure, the Twins can add and subtract. that's elementary. Right? Bell is unlikely to return much, unless there is a team interested and the Twins have identified a totally unheralded player in the DSL or rookie ball. Maybe Bell goes on a real heater all the way up to the trade deadline and some team feels they need his bat. I just can'y see it. Bell seems more valuable to the Twins. Larnach has been swinging a good bat. He has been pretty important to the offense. Moving Trevor depends on a decent return. Will a team (San Diego?) send a relief pitcher (B. Rodriguez or Jason Adam) worth the bother? Austin Martin and Matt Wallner may have some value but it seems pretty low. What ideas do people have for either of those guys? Ryan Jeffers has been out for quite some time but he will have value and will be gone as a free agent. Additionally, Caratini and Jackson have been fine. I don't believe Jeffers will sign before he goes on the market, at which time the Twins can join in the bidding. Someone will send a good relief pitcher for Jeffers. Bailey Ober could rebuild some value but it is not certain. Perhaps Ober can be bundled with others. Joe Ryan has a ton of value but what team will turn over the prospects or players needed to complete a transaction. Mere prospects don't really cut it as a return for Ryan. Last winter I wondered if a combo of Ryan, Charlee Soto, and Alan Roden would entice Boston to send Franklin Arias plus a pitcher or would Sacramento send us Leodalis De Vries plus a pitcher for the same package? Does adding Wallner or Lewis finish a deal? The A's could use a DH, an infielder, and pitching. At all times i wonder what those deals would look like from another team's perspective. Would you trade a Cole Sands or Marco Raya type plus Walker Jenkins for Ryan, Soto, and Lewis? Boston would trade Sonny Gray. What would they want in return? I have no idea ... maybe Luke Keaschall and Boston sends money too? Buying and selling is possible. The question is whether the Twins front office has the stomach for risky deals. The Tampa Bay Rays have made more than a few gambles. Trading Joe Ryan and another dude for Nelson Cruz was an example that didn't go so well for them. I wouldn't mind seeing some buying and selling this trade deadline.
Andy MacPhail Verified Member Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago I'm not crazy about trading for prospects unless they fit a need & are MLB-ready. I'm ok about trading prospects & or MLB players that are redundant to fill our immediate need that is where the focus has to be. My hope is Zoll can be a good trader but he needs to break away & find himself. Mike Sixel and CarpetGuy 1 1
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Andy MacPhail said: I'm not crazy about trading for prospects unless they fit a need & are MLB-ready. I'm ok about trading prospects & or MLB players that are redundant to fill our immediate need that is where the focus has to be. My hope is Zoll can be a good trader but he needs to break away & find himself. What do you think you're getting for Jeffers other than prospects? Why don't you want prospects that might help in the future? What prospects are redundant? I'm on @Vanimal46 team all the way. Trade Ryan, Jeffers, Martin, Wallner, Bell. If you can't get anything for Martin and Wallner stash them both in AAA for now. I'm ok if they trade Larnach, or keep him if they 100 percent will bring him back next year. I'm not trading Clemens or Gomez, though if someone makes a ridiculous offer for either..... weitz41, Major League Ready, Linus and 1 other 4
h2oface Old-Timey Member Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Just over half the season over, and you sit 2.5 games out of a wildcard, and 4 back of division lead. Now is NOT the time to get rid of your most productive players for prospects you won’t see for years, if ever, or rely on unproven prospects in AAA in mass. They will trickle up with injuries, or be injured themselves before or after promotions. But some preach that all the time. CarpetGuy and RpR 1 1
AlLagoon Verified Member Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Go with it - one series with the damn billionaire Dodgers aside, they've won series against St. Louis, Rangers, D'Backs, Rockies, and Astros over the last weeks. This is a club that is one reliable relief pitcher away from shocking the world. Most runs scored ain't nothing. CarpetGuy, weitz41, h2oface and 2 others 4 1
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, h2oface said: Just over half the season over, and you sit 2.5 games out of a wildcard, and 4 back of division lead. Now is NOT the time to get rid of your most productive players for prospects you won’t see for years, if ever, or rely on unproven prospects in AAA in mass. They will trickle up with injuries, or be injured themselves before or after promotions. But some preach that all the time. I don’t think you can make such a conclusive statement without recognizing what other winning teams have done before suggesting well-run teams don’t trade away their top players. Would you say. Milwaukee would never do that and they are 53-32. Last year they had the best record in the league. They traded Corbin Burnes two years ago and Freddy Peralta this last off-season. OK, but Cleveland would never do that, right. Well, they traded for Kluber when he was a prospect and then traded him away and received Clause in return. They traded Lindor. Carlos Carrasco who was also acquired as a prospect was in the same trade with Lindor. Cleveland also traded away Josh Naylor. They acquired Carlos Santana, Yan Gomes, and even our own Grady Sizemore as prospects. Tampa is known for trading established players. I won’t go through the list. This last off-season St. Louis traded away Sonny Gray and Brandon Donovan while paying $20M for Gray to play for Boston. Granted, some of these moves were made in the off-season but one could argue that’s what the Twins should have been doing this off-season. You can't look at the success of these teams and conclude trading productive players is automatically bad. CarpetGuy and Vanimal46 2
Bangkok Twins Fan Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Like Tampa Bay, the Twins are built around run prevention ... Not sure about that. That statement would imply that the Twins either have a lights-out group of pitchers and/or we have a bunch of gold-glove candidates. We are a long way from Tampa Bay in that respect. But apologies if I'm reading something into that statement that you didn't mean. The Twins obviously SHOULD be aiming for more run prevention, but I don't see that happening. thelanges5, UpstateNewYorker and RpR 3
Bangkok Twins Fan Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 6 hours ago, AlLagoon said: This is a club that is one reliable relief pitcher away from shocking the world. It may take more than one reliable relief pitcher, but I appreciate you optimism! CarpetGuy 1
twinstalker Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago It only works if you can properly evaluate talent. Comparing the Twins and Rays has never made sense.
Linus Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, twinstalker said: It only works if you can properly evaluate talent. Comparing the Twins and Rays has never made sense. This. People act like there is a secret strategy that if we only discovered will lead us to the World Series. It comes down to making good decisions. Teams will be offering trade packages for Jeffers and Ryan. Are they the right ones? Are they enough? There are scenarios where I would and would not trade Ryan. There is no absolute ahead of time as it depends on the deal at that time. Is Zoll up to the challenge? We will find out. Whatever they do, they need to do it with the intent of creating a 5 year window of winning teams, which could be at odds with trying to squeak into the playoffs this year. lake_guy and Bangkok Twins Fan 2
HarmonK03 Verified Member Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago What is the short and long term plan for this team. We basically have an interim GM, I think he is that anyway. Can he really set a course of action that will propel us to success going forward, I have my doubts. Nothing has changed in the front office except for Falvey not being here, it is the same people and basically the same philosophy that I can see. Trade Jeffers if you have to but I would wait on Ryan until the offseason. Bring in an experienced baseball leader and review the organization top to bottom to understand your strengths and weaknesses. Then make the necessary moves to put this team on a trajectory towards being a competitive team that is sustainable with whatever model they choose. The Falvey model hasn't worked and we are still following it and it has not worked. I don't want to see trades where we just add more LH corner outfielders for example. I would like to see nothing more than minor moves except for Jeffers, nibble around the edges. This team is a contender based on the standings only, they still have a lot of holes that I don't want to gut the farm system to fill. CarpetGuy 1
Paul Walerius Verified Member Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, laloesch said: Still a hole at 1st. Lewis is doing slightly better, but still not much better than before his demotion. .279 .330 .512 .841 with 5 HR. Strikeouts are probably a little high yet but that is a lot better than slightly. RpR 1
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, Bangkok Twins Fan said: Like Tampa Bay, the Twins are built around run prevention ... Not sure about that. That statement would imply that the Twins either have a lights-out group of pitchers and/or we have a bunch of gold-glove candidates. We are a long way from Tampa Bay in that respect. But apologies if I'm reading something into that statement that you didn't mean. The Twins obviously SHOULD be aiming for more run prevention, but I don't see that happening. I have felt for several years the did not give enough weight to athleticism, base running, and defense. However, I think that will likely get quite a bit better in the not too distant future. Jenkins, Cunninghan, and Rodriquez will elevate that part of our team. None of them are 70 grade runners but they are all good athletes that can defend.
Richie the Rally Goat Community Moderator Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, twinstalker said: It only works if you can properly evaluate talent. Comparing the Twins and Rays has never made sense. It’s pretty clear that Falvey and Zoll narrowed their approach in the post 2023 era to more closely mimic Tampa (and Cleveland). The roster/role adjustments made under Zoll and Shelton this season have made that VERY clear. Correct, talent evaluation is a critical input to success, but if every team evaluates success the same way, trades would never happen. It’s all contextual to whether or not your team thinks it has the ability to develop the player in a different and better way than the organization they came from. not just player talent evaluation but coaching talent evaluation. if outsiders can’t compare two teams with growing similarities of competitive strategy, then we’ll never get to the full three dimensional perspective. We can’t know the Twins the way Zoll does, it’s just not possible. i think the Tampa comparison is apt, but still stick to my guns that the Twins shouldn’t carbon copy Tampa specifically because Pittsburgh has been awful for years because they couldn’t do Tampa better than Tampa. The Twins need to find their own way. They haven’t yet
Nshore Verified Member Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago I sympathize with Zoll. Tough decisions. When the Twins are this close to a Wild Card, if you're competitive at all - and want to win back the fans, it must be tough not to go all in. There's a world in which the help they get is from what they already have - hang on to Ryan, Ober or by some miracle Abel comes back strong, and Paredes and Rojas strengthen the bullpen. It'd be fun to throw Jenkins into an already high run producing line-up too. It'll be a very interesting second half.
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, twinstalker said: It only works if you can properly evaluate talent. Comparing the Twins and Rays has never made sense. I never understand what point people think they are making when they take this stance. Literally ever form of player acquisition is dependent upon properly evaluating talent. Should they avoid every form of acquisition? Mike Sixel 1
Jeff K Verified Member Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 17 hours ago, ashbury said: As soon as someone has trade value, it means there's value also in just keeping him. It is not that I dislike Trevor but his skill set seems so redundant to others in the system and he has started costing more. Except ... he's producing right now and the other "equal or better" options keep getting dinged up. Larnach's been healthy - I don't think he's missed significant time since a "core muscle strain" wrecked the second half of his 2022 season. I share your thoughts but add another to support trading him at the deadline: he is, at best, a mediocre outfielder. The Twins simply have to improve defensively. They are seemingly starting this with their infield adjustments. They need to continue to focus on better defense and athleticism. Larnach's trade value is seemingly at it's peak. Take advantage of that. Mike Sixel 1
twinstalker Verified Member Posted 1 minute ago Posted 1 minute ago 5 hours ago, Major League Ready said: I never understand what point people think they are making when they take this stance. Literally ever form of player acquisition is dependent upon properly evaluating talent. Should they avoid every form of acquisition? No, the point is that a team, especially the Twins, can't just do what TB does because they don't have the intelligence infrastructure (apparently) to make it work. It's like if an average poker player folded AA on the flop because he saw a top pro do it numerous time. It's not the action you want to duplicate, because that will make you lose more often than not. It's the intelligence you need to be able to understand the nuance of why you might fold AA there. I don't think the Twins have it at the same level, and when you're not as good at the game, you need to shove your aces before the flop, make the obvious play before cards on the board complicate the matter. Game theory is hard.
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