Should the Twins Deal from Their Rotation Depth?

[Riverbrian]

It's going to be interesting to watch Chaim Bloom and the Cardinals do what they do while watching what the Twins do what they do. 

Who knows if either approach works or doesn't work but one thing is for sure. 

Bloom and the Cardinals are clearly going a direction toward something.

The Twins... Well... direction? 

I will be watching

 

[tony&rodney]

14 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Joe Ryan is Arb 2 this year. An extension would probably add another 3 years to his contract at $30MM per year, plus buying out his existing arbitration eligibility.

So guessing about 5yrs $108MM-ish? right now ($8MM, $15MM, $25MM, $30MM, $30MM), all of which will be for a non-durable post-prime age 30+ pitcher. At the end of the deal, Ryan will have pitched through his age 34 season making $30MM. Ryan has a career ERA/FIP of 3.80, but if you limited it to his last two seasons, you could make the case he's a 3.50-3.60 ERA/FIP, solid #2 pitcher.

If the Twins already had a cost controlled ace and a proven core with a $160MM payroll max, this would make sense. The Twins don't have either item.

My guess is that your numbers are reasonable, maybe a bit low. Joe Ryan will want market value. Dylan Cease signed for 7/$210M with some of the money deferred. Ryan will not get Cease money but not too far away. He, like others, will also listen to teams who have a fighting chance to win. Does that keep the Twins in the picture? I cannot answer that.

[mnfireman]

The Athletics are not trading Soderstrom or DeVries, and for sure not in the same trade, unless they are blown away, and I don't think the Twins have the players/prospects to do that.

The Athletics have a very good core of young players that aren't leaving soon, some veteran place holders until DeVries and their top ranking pitching prospects debut within the the next couple of years, setting them up to be in a position to compete when they move into their new ballpark in Las Vegas in 2028. 

The Athletics are probably in better shape to be competitive long-term than the Twins are, especially with Billy Beane still involved 

[mikelink45]

Rotation depth?  Pitching Pipeline? We had 11 pitchers with ERAs from 5 - 10, six with ERAs in the 4s and 5 arms in double figures.  We have DFA's some of the bad numbers but not all and we eliminated the 10 with the best eras.  See baseball reference.  

So we have two good starters and we want to trade from our depth.  Move on.  

 

[tony&rodney]

14 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

The Athletics are not trading Soderstrom or DeVries, and for sure not in the same trade, unless they are blown away, and I don't think the Twins have the players/prospects to do that.

The Athletics have a very good core of young players that aren't leaving soon, some veteran place holders until DeVries and their top ranking pitching prospects debut within the the next couple of years, setting them up to be in a position to compete when they move into their new ballpark in Las Vegas in 2028. 

The Athletics are probably in better shape to be competitive long-term than the Twins are, especially with Billy Beane still involved 

I don't necessarily disagree. Does a package of Ryan, Bradley, Lewis, and Roden blow the A's away?

The Twins are planning on rolling it back with their current roster. Half of Twins Daily agrees with that idea. I'm suggesting the team needs upgrades. How it is done is not too important. Signing Josh Bell was adding a DH to a team with five DH players already on the roster. The roster seems unbalanced to me, but what do i know?

[LyleCole]

The answer is an obvious no the route the Twins are taking.  If they were going to go all in on a rebuild, the should for sure trade Joe Ryan this off season and probably trade Lopez if the return is solid.   Then hope Ober recovers from whatever is reducing his effectiveness, and trade him before the deadline.

But if they are going to play this "LETS PRETEND TO CONTEND",  the top 3 of the starting rotation is a team strength and they should play it out and see what happens.  Maybe they can get to 87 wins and be in the hunt for a wild card.  That is the maximum the ownership is offering fans.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

The Twins should hang on to their pitchers. A baseball team can't have too much good pitching, especially a team that gutted it's bullpen last season.  Develop some great relievers from the existing "starters", especially those in the high minors. Find some with funky deliveries and unusual pitch movement that can throw for an inning or two. 

[Danchat]

3 hours ago, old nurse said:

If at the trade deadline the Twins thought that Morris, Festa, Mathews and Prielipp were going to be MLB starters for the next 3-6 years they would not have sought the return they did for what they traded, If someone were to offer something of decent value any of those 4 could be traded.

That's a very good point. I still see Matthews long-term in the rotation but I will bet that the other three end up as relievers.

[amjgt]

3 hours ago, Blyleven2011 said:

I'm getting alittle tired of reading about we shoulda,  woulda , coulda articles ...

Trade all the twins daily writers named Cody and see what we get in return , same old crap different day ...

 

On 12/22/2025 at 10:19 AM, Blyleven2011 said:

The TD writers that come up with the most ridiculous trade proposals are all named cody ...

We need hitters  yes , but we already have to many players that are poor on defense....

Speaking of same crap different day

[amjgt]

2 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

If there is a surplus of major league quality starting pitching they have a need for those arms in the pen where there is a deficit. I wouldn’t be actively trying to trade starting pitching. I would be actively trying to trade at least one corner outfielder.

If 2026 was all that mattered, I'd agree, but I given the fact that Lopez, Ryan, and Ober are only controlled through 2027, I feel like we need to continue to develop those young SP prospects as Starting Pitchers, at least until the point where it becomes obvious that they aren't viable as that. 

If we could look into our Magic ball and know for sure which 3 aren't going to make it as SPs, then yeah, convert them to RP now, but I don't know how we do that with any certainty. 

[mickster]

1 hour ago, miller761 said:

What would SWR and Larnach get us back? Or Ober and Larnach?

maybe Colby Mayo, but would be a stretch

 

[sweetmusicviola16]

4 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Based on the lack of activity since last season’s trade deadline massacre and the recent comments from T3 and Falvey, none of the starting staff appear to be getting moved at least until it’s clear this roster is not going to compete this season. So they will roll the dice on risking current at or near peak term trade values for Lopez and Ryan to get the opportunity to see how the season develops.  Is that a good bet? Not clear, but the odds seem to be against them.

Let’s review each candidate anyway:

Lopez - older, expensive, trade value at or near his peak, surely will not be a Twin post ‘27 even though he seems to like it here. Maybe his trade value goes up a bit once his form is reastablished during spring training and his first handful of starts and we see how starter injuries develop across the league early in the year. Conclusion: Trade.

Ryan - a little younger (but age starting to be an issue post ‘27), trade value certainly at its peak.  Not clear he wants to be here anyway. Ryan should be treated like Quinn Hughes: if he can’t be extended either before camp or early in the season, he has to be moved.  Extending Ryan would be about the best PR move T3 could make right now even if not the best longer term baseball strategy move. Conclusion: trade or extend - its one or the other.

Ober - absolutely no reason to trade him now as based on his ‘25 performance he does not have enough value to bring back anyone who reasonably could expect to contribute in ‘28.  Way better to wait to see if he can reestablish his form and increase his value.  He stays for now, particularly if we need innings post a Ryan or Lopez trade. Conclusion: no trade.

SWR - cheap, young, controllable, limited current trade value and has upside - just what the Twins are seeking,  He 100% could be a reliable #3-5 in ‘28. Conclusion: he stays.

The Youngsters - they are all auditioning over the next season and likely ‘27 as well to be part of the core starting staff or maybe the bullpen,  Since they all are cheap and controllable, we keep them all and see what shakes out. Conclusion: no trades.

 

I'm fine with waiting to trade Pablo until the end of ST or even into May. As you pointed out other teams will have injury and this allows him to fully establish that he is healthy. If he indeed is.....

 

Ryan should be traded now. Falvey is squandering his value. My honest take is that Ryan would welcome a trade and I see zero chance that he'd want to sign a long term deal here at this point. Unless it was a great overpay. 

[Rosterman]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

At what cost? people keep throwing out Ryan should be extended, but they leave out numbers, What if Ryan says sure I would love to stay in a Twins and sign an extension and the number is 5/140 are you doing it? 

With his age, would the Twins make a 4-5 year offer to Ryan in the $120-140m range, and would Ryan accept it? Sure, maybe today, because of the age factor and there are two seasons that Ryan could actually reduce his value. But I doubt, like they did for Santana waaaay back when, and Berrios of late, do it. Ryan has his greatest trade value going into spring training. Would hate to see something arm-wise happen in spring training.

Lopez should also be traded. His value is about as high as you might expect, with his contract going forth. Reason? The Twins can't afford another 15-20 start season from Lopez, thus decreasing his value. Which is one problem with teams like the Twins. They can spend money (supposedly the Twins could carry a payroll in the $140-150 million range), but they can't carry an i njured list eating a third of the payroll, which almost happened last season with Buxton, Correa and Lopez all going dowen at times.

If the Twins truly are not competing in 2026, they need to part with these two pitchers. What they get in return is debatable. Prospects more than likely. Then they have to trust their farm system.

[KirbyDome89]

40 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

I don't necessarily disagree. Does a package of Ryan, Bradley, Lewis, and Roden blow the A's away?

The Twins are planning on rolling it back with their current roster. Half of Twins Daily agrees with that idea. I'm suggesting the team needs upgrades. How it is done is not too important. Signing Josh Bell was adding a DH to a team with five DH players already on the roster. The roster seems unbalanced to me, but what do i know?

If the Twins had somebody of Soderstrom's quality, and swapped him along with Jenkins for the above quartet fans would (rightfully so) revolt. That just seems like such a lopsided swap as far as talent goes, not to mention the financial burden Sacramento/Vegas would have to take on. 

[LA Vikes Fan]

2 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Joe Ryan is Arb 2 this year. An extension would probably add another 3 years to his contract at $30MM per year, plus buying out his existing arbitration eligibility.

So guessing about 5yrs $108MM-ish? right now ($8MM, $15MM, $25MM, $30MM, $30MM), all of which will be for a non-durable post-prime age 30+ pitcher. At the end of the deal, Ryan will have pitched through his age 34 season making $30MM. Ryan has a career ERA/FIP of 3.80, but if you limited it to his last two seasons, you could make the case he's a 3.50-3.60 ERA/FIP, solid #2 pitcher.

If the Twins already had a cost controlled ace and a proven core with a $160MM payroll max, this would make sense. The Twins don't have either item.

You're probably right or close on the years and total value for Ryan. Where I differ is that I would actually think about making this happen if he's interested. The contract is back loaded so we could trade our way out of it, or maybe some of it, if the team is uncompetitive in 2028-30. The real risk is injury but you got to take some risk. Given the inflation in BB salaries, I think it's likely that a All Star starting pitcher will be getting $40M a year or more by 2030. A pitcher like Ryan will be more than $30M a year by 2029 and 2030. It would be the team betting on itself to improve on field performance and thus improve attendance, tv rights value, merch sales, etc. to cover the contract. Might provide some excitement to the roster and the fans now when this team desperately needs a reason for people to get excited. 

By the way, signing Ryan O'Hearn for 2 or 3 years at an AAV of $12-15M might also get people excited. Just sayin'... Well, forget that. Pirates just signed O'Hearn for 2 years $29m. At least I was right about the salary range. 

[bloomwcjkl]

Trading Pablo makes the most sense to me. His $23 million (or whatever the number is) stands out to me. The last 2 seasons we mostly played without him due to injuries anyway.

I really don't think many teams are willing to pay that for a 3,4,5 starter on a WS competing team. But maybe.

[Jose Herrera]

I would keep Lopez, Ober and Ryan. They are all capable of consistently pitching over 100 innings with a sub 4.00 era and 1.30 whip. Without them we are done for.

That leaves Abel, Bradley, Festa, Matthews, Morris and Woods-Richardson. Festa can be our fourth starter and Morris can be our fifth starter. Abel, Bradley and Matthew can join Cole Sands in the bullpen as high leverage relief pitchers. Woods-Richardson can be traded for a left handed starter/reliever or pitch in the bullpen eating innings.

 

[Brandon]

No,

This is a transition team and many of the starters from the minors will end up in the bullpen becoming key bullpen pieces.  I think we need to get to where we have fewer needs as a team and then trade or sign free agents to bolster the last remaining weak points to make this a highly competitive team.  

[jorgenswest]

2 hours ago, Rosterman said:

With his age, would the Twins make a 4-5 year offer to Ryan in the $120-140m range, and would Ryan accept it?

He might. He risks injury in the next two years that could significantly cut into his next contract. The injury risk is on the Twins also dropping his trade value. I think there is a contract structure possible that the Twins can afford and Ryan can accept. Your numbers might be in that ballpark.

For the Twins the value of this deal would go beyond Ryan. It would show both the players in the clubhouse and the fans that they are committed to putting out a competitive team now and down the road.

[Riverbrian]

15 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

He might. He risks injury in the next two years that could significantly cut into his next contract. The injury risk is on the Twins also dropping his trade value. I think there is a contract structure possible that the Twins can afford and Ryan can accept. Your numbers might be in that ballpark.

For the Twins the value of this deal would go beyond Ryan. It would show both the players in the clubhouse and the fans that they are committed to putting out a competitive team now and down the road.

2 years until free agency is a long long time for a pitcher. 

Joe Ryan would be crazy to turn down that extension. 

The Twins and Joe Ryan should both be looking at his peak value the same. 

Twins: Peak Value is the perfect time to trade him

Joe Ryan: Peak Value is the perfect time to get your big contract done.

Ryan gets a bigger longer contract right now.

In two years he is two years older and he gets less. 

 

 

[JD-TWINS]

7 hours ago, arby58 said:

There was a similar column at the start of last season extolling the team's starting pitching depth and suggesting using that in a trade for a position player(s). Then Lopez and Ober went down, and then Festa went down . . .  so much for starting pitching depth.

Ober is coming off a poor year, his velocity is down, and he's 30 - he's not bringing anything back of note. Better for the Twins to work to bring him back to past form.

I still don't understand the general disdain for SWR. Other than Ryan, he was their best starting pitcher last year - 22 starts, 4.04 ERA, 7-4 record, about a K per inning, and he's only 25 years old, inexpensive, and controllable. I don't care if he's out of options, I'm putting him in the starting rotation at the start of the year and keeping him there. 

As for the rest, they will necessarily need depth, and none of the others has stood out enough to get much in return anyway.

Completely agreed on SWR, I don’t get the disdain either.

Per this article, it appears Ober was ineffective with guys on base in ‘25 - seems to me that his physical ailments had more of an effect when he pitched out of the stretch. The stats back that up. Hopeful for a healthy bounce back season.

Also agreed, need starter depth! Trading guys out of “fan like boredom” is not the way to run an organization. Trading guys at “peak value” to accumulate more prospects when some “neutral sources” see the TWINS system as Top 5 in the game……. it makes no sense. Don’t need more guys in Minors that we all HOPE will work out. Winning trades on paper do nothing for teams - guys playing well win games.

Being sensitive about Prielipp going into the PEN because his innings need to be monitored - his skills need to be sharpened doesn’t make sense. PEN needs talent! Santana started out in bullpen & he worked out OK …….. the PEN is not a path from which a guy can’t return from, regarding being a starter some day. This applies to Raya - Morris as well. Personally, Matthews is the Team’s back end guy in ‘26. 

Festa & Abel back up Ober & Bradley for the 4&5 slots.

[mikelink45]

Whether they are big names or not, it is hard to sit back and watch other teams make signings.

We have signed the following since the season - correct me if there are more:

1. Josh Bell - Free Agent
2. Miquel Caraballo - a very young minor league catcher in a trade
3. Sam Ryan - Rule V
4. Garret Spain - Rule V
5. Grant Hartwig to minor league contract
6. Yehizon Sanchez to minor league contract
7. Alan Jackson on a trade
8. Eric Orze on a trade

Not a lot of recognizable names

Meanwhile the Tigers have signed the following:

1. Kyle Finnegan FA
2. Kenley Jansen FA
3.  Sean Guenther to a minor league contract.
4. Jack Little to a minor league contract.
5. Cole Waites to a minor league contract.
6. Drew Anderson. - FA
7. Enmanuel De Jesus to a minor league contract.
8. Inohan Paniagua to a minor league contract.
9.  Carlos Peña to a minor league contract.
10. Johan Simon. in a trade
11. Luke Taggart in the Rule 5 Draft
12. RJ Petit in the Rule 5 Draft. This through 18 are AAA rule V
13. Jan Caraballo in the Rule 5 Draft
14. John Stankiewicz in the Rule 5 Draft
15. Yendy Gomez in the Rule 5 Draft,
16.  Travis Kuhn in the Rule 5 Draft
17. Austin Murr in the Rule 5 Draft
18. Archer Brookman in the Rule 5 Draft
19. Tanner Rainey to a minor league contract
20. Gleyber Torres. FA
21. Dugan Darnell off waivers

A few recognizable names and lots of action hoping to hit it lucky

Kansas City

1. Matt Strahm in trade
2. Lane Thomas. FA
3.  Kevin Newman to a minor league contract.
4. LF Isaac Collins and RHP Nick Mears  in a trade
5. Andy Sanchez to a minor league contract.
6. Adrian Rumardo to a minor league contract.
7. Jose Cuas to a minor league contract.
8. Alex Lange. FA
9. Alberto Rodriguez to a minor league contract.
10. Chase Jessee to a minor league contract
11. Mason Black in a trade
12. Connor Kaiser to a minor league contract.
13. Kameron Misner trade

A few trades and signings.  No big news on this list, but they are trying various options

Cleveland Guardians

1. Codi Heuer to a minor league contract
2.  Shawn Armstrong. FA
3. Stuart Fairchild to a minor league contract
4. Justin Bruihl  in a trade
5. Colin Holderman. FA
6. Jack Carey in the Rule 5 Draft, AAA Phase.
7. Peyton Pallette in the Rule 5
8. Deiker Rojas to a minor league contract.
9. Connor Brogdon. FA

The Guardians join the Twins in the not very exciting category

I am always interested in the other division clubs and wish we did more to follow our competitors.

[JADBP]

8 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Based on the lack of activity since last season’s trade deadline massacre and the recent comments from T3 and Falvey, none of the starting staff appear to be getting moved at least until it’s clear this roster is not going to compete this season. So they will roll the dice on risking current at or near peak term trade values for Lopez and Ryan to get the opportunity to see how the season develops.  Is that a good bet? Not clear, but the odds seem to be against them.

Let’s review each candidate anyway:

Lopez - older, expensive, trade value at or near his peak, surely will not be a Twin post ‘27 even though he seems to like it here. Maybe his trade value goes up a bit once his form is reastablished during spring training and his first handful of starts and we see how starter injuries develop across the league early in the year. Conclusion: Trade.

Ryan - a little younger (but age starting to be an issue post ‘27), trade value certainly at its peak.  Not clear he wants to be here anyway. Ryan should be treated like Quinn Hughes: if he can’t be extended either before camp or early in the season, he has to be moved.  Extending Ryan would be about the best PR move T3 could make right now even if not the best longer term baseball strategy move. Conclusion: trade or extend - its one or the other.

Ober - absolutely no reason to trade him now as based on his ‘25 performance he does not have enough value to bring back anyone who reasonably could expect to contribute in ‘28.  Way better to wait to see if he can reestablish his form and increase his value.  He stays for now, particularly if we need innings post a Ryan or Lopez trade. Conclusion: no trade.

SWR - cheap, young, controllable, limited current trade value and has upside - just what the Twins are seeking,  He 100% could be a reliable #3-5 in ‘28. Conclusion: he stays.

The Youngsters - they are all auditioning over the next season and likely ‘27 as well to be part of the core starting staff or maybe the bullpen,  Since they all are cheap and controllable, we keep them all and see what shakes out. Conclusion: no trades.

 

With the players/MLB strike/lockout coming up in 2027, it is highly likely that few players will have trade much value at next summer’s trade deadline.  I think the only trades will be for players on long term contracts or rookies/prospects with a long runway of salary control. Who is gonna trade for Lopez or Ryan if they expect to sit out.2027?  Not many takers!  
 

so next summer will be really weird.  I hate to say tear down, but if you do not expect to extend Lopez and Ryan, then the best plan might be to trade one of them.  Ryan has a ton of value, especially to a rich team that figures they can extend him. 
 

the downside of this approach is that you probably lose Buxton.   Either he demands and gets a trade or he sits down on the job (like so many did after the 2025 trade deadline).  Losing him hurts even more because he is elite and he’s such a great guy.  But he can only tolerate so much from mgmt.  I wouldn’t blame him.  

[JADBP]

26 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

Whether they are big names or not, it is hard to sit back and watch other teams make signings.

We have signed the following since the season - correct me if there are more:

1. Josh Bell - Free Agent
2. Miquel Caraballo - a very young minor league catcher in a trade
3. Sam Ryan - Rule V
4. Garret Spain - Rule V
5. Grant Hartwig to minor league contract
6. Yehizon Sanchez to minor league contract
7. Alan Jackson on a trade
8. Eric Orze on a trade

Not a lot of recognizable names

Meanwhile the Tigers have signed the following:

1. Kyle Finnegan FA
2. Kenley Jansen FA
3.  Sean Guenther to a minor league contract.
4. Jack Little to a minor league contract.
5. Cole Waites to a minor league contract.
6. Drew Anderson. - FA
7. Enmanuel De Jesus to a minor league contract.
8. Inohan Paniagua to a minor league contract.
9.  Carlos Peña to a minor league contract.
10. Johan Simon. in a trade
11. Luke Taggart in the Rule 5 Draft
12. RJ Petit in the Rule 5 Draft. This through 18 are AAA rule V
13. Jan Caraballo in the Rule 5 Draft
14. John Stankiewicz in the Rule 5 Draft
15. Yendy Gomez in the Rule 5 Draft,
16.  Travis Kuhn in the Rule 5 Draft
17. Austin Murr in the Rule 5 Draft
18. Archer Brookman in the Rule 5 Draft
19. Tanner Rainey to a minor league contract
20. Gleyber Torres. FA
21. Dugan Darnell off waivers

A few recognizable names and lots of action hoping to hit it lucky

Kansas City

1. Matt Strahm in trade
2. Lane Thomas. FA
3.  Kevin Newman to a minor league contract.
4. LF Isaac Collins and RHP Nick Mears  in a trade
5. Andy Sanchez to a minor league contract.
6. Adrian Rumardo to a minor league contract.
7. Jose Cuas to a minor league contract.
8. Alex Lange. FA
9. Alberto Rodriguez to a minor league contract.
10. Chase Jessee to a minor league contract
11. Mason Black in a trade
12. Connor Kaiser to a minor league contract.
13. Kameron Misner trade

A few trades and signings.  No big news on this list, but they are trying various options

Cleveland Guardians

1. Codi Heuer to a minor league contract
2.  Shawn Armstrong. FA
3. Stuart Fairchild to a minor league contract
4. Justin Bruihl  in a trade
5. Colin Holderman. FA
6. Jack Carey in the Rule 5 Draft, AAA Phase.
7. Peyton Pallette in the Rule 5
8. Deiker Rojas to a minor league contract.
9. Connor Brogdon. FA

The Guardians join the Twins in the not very exciting category

I am always interested in the other division clubs and wish we did more to follow our competitors.

Geez, this is just sickennng! 

[JADBP]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

He might. He risks injury in the next two years that could significantly cut into his next contract. The injury risk is on the Twins also dropping his trade value. I think there is a contract structure possible that the Twins can afford and Ryan can accept. Your numbers might be in that ballpark.

For the Twins the value of this deal would go beyond Ryan. It would show both the players in the clubhouse and the fans that they are committed to putting out a competitive team now and down the road.

Y ah but Ryan is unhappy.  I don’t see him signing an extension with the Twins.  Even at $120 mill

[old nurse]

1 hour ago, mikelink45 said:

Whether they are big names or not, it is hard to sit back and watch other teams make signings.

We have signed the following since the season - correct me if there are more:

1. Josh Bell - Free Agent
2. Miquel Caraballo - a very young minor league catcher in a trade
3. Sam Ryan - Rule V
4. Garret Spain - Rule V
5. Grant Hartwig to minor league contract
6. Yehizon Sanchez to minor league contract
7. Alan Jackson on a trade
8. Eric Orze on a trade

Not a lot of recognizable names

Meanwhile the Tigers have signed the following:

1. Kyle Finnegan FA
2. Kenley Jansen FA
3.  Sean Guenther to a minor league contract.
4. Jack Little to a minor league contract.
5. Cole Waites to a minor league contract.
6. Drew Anderson. - FA
7. Enmanuel De Jesus to a minor league contract.
8. Inohan Paniagua to a minor league contract.
9.  Carlos Peña to a minor league contract.
10. Johan Simon. in a trade
11. Luke Taggart in the Rule 5 Draft
12. RJ Petit in the Rule 5 Draft. This through 18 are AAA rule V
13. Jan Caraballo in the Rule 5 Draft
14. John Stankiewicz in the Rule 5 Draft
15. Yendy Gomez in the Rule 5 Draft,
16.  Travis Kuhn in the Rule 5 Draft
17. Austin Murr in the Rule 5 Draft
18. Archer Brookman in the Rule 5 Draft
19. Tanner Rainey to a minor league contract
20. Gleyber Torres. FA
21. Dugan Darnell off waivers

A few recognizable names and lots of action hoping to hit it lucky

Kansas City

1. Matt Strahm in trade
2. Lane Thomas. FA
3.  Kevin Newman to a minor league contract.
4. LF Isaac Collins and RHP Nick Mears  in a trade
5. Andy Sanchez to a minor league contract.
6. Adrian Rumardo to a minor league contract.
7. Jose Cuas to a minor league contract.
8. Alex Lange. FA
9. Alberto Rodriguez to a minor league contract.
10. Chase Jessee to a minor league contract
11. Mason Black in a trade
12. Connor Kaiser to a minor league contract.
13. Kameron Misner trade

A few trades and signings.  No big news on this list, but they are trying various options

Cleveland Guardians

1. Codi Heuer to a minor league contract
2.  Shawn Armstrong. FA
3. Stuart Fairchild to a minor league contract
4. Justin Bruihl  in a trade
5. Colin Holderman. FA
6. Jack Carey in the Rule 5 Draft, AAA Phase.
7. Peyton Pallette in the Rule 5
8. Deiker Rojas to a minor league contract.
9. Connor Brogdon. FA

The Guardians join the Twins in the not very exciting category

I am always interested in the other division clubs and wish we did more to follow our competitors.

So acquiring minor league players that the other teams had 20-30 players that they kept is excitement?

[Major League Ready]

7 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

It's going to be interesting to watch Chaim Bloom and the Cardinals do what they do while watching what the Twins do what they do. 

Who knows if either approach works or doesn't work but one thing is for sure. 

Bloom and the Cardinals are clearly going a direction toward something.

The Twins... Well... direction? 

I will be watching

 

I too have noticed the moves the Cardinals have been making and have to agree their direction is much clearer than the Twins.  They have failed to make an aggressive move when they have a real shot and now they are failing to be aggressive when they have almost no shot.  I say almost because there is always the very slight chance that everything goes right.  

What I would like to know is if this is Falvey or is this ownership including the new partners placating fans by putting a 500 team on the field.  Is Falvey just trying to save his job because I can't believe he thinks adding some mediocre talent to a less than mediocre team is going to end in a playoff run.  

[JD-TWINS]

2 hours ago, old nurse said:

So acquiring minor league players that the other teams had 20-30 players that they kept is excitement?

Exactly!

Bored & looking at other Team’s Minor League transactions is no way to gauge any sort of future success. It’s just a way to twist other Team’s busy work into a rationalized way to bitch about the FO in Mpls. Senseless, IMO.

The Twin’s Minor League system is ranked in Top 5, I believe? Last deadline the Team made moves that got them the highest rated Catcher in MiLB - Abel - Bradley - Rojas & 3-4 outfielders that may or may not turn out to be anything, etc. Plenty of activity with players that are much closer to benefitting the Club. These moves seem much more worth our time, IMO.

Watching other Divisional rivals MiLB moves is like listening to the police scanner.

[mikelink45]

15 hours ago, old nurse said:

So acquiring minor league players that the other teams had 20-30 players that they kept is excitement?

Did I say exciting or are you projecting.  I just said we have not had any action and many of the others have.

[Brandon]

No we shouldn't be trading starting pitching or starting pitching prospects while we are a transition team.  Some will get hurt, others will move to the pen, and the rest, I think our excess pitching will be more valuable once we decide who stays in the rotation and bullpen and who we can trade and what do we need.