ALDS Game 4: Astros (Urquidy) vs Twins (Ryan): 10/11/23, 6:07pm

[USAFChief]

1 hour ago, RocRedWing said:

Looks like Kiriloff is out with an "unspecified injury". Buxton in. Do we get a little magic tonight?

Twins Front Office:

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Oh the Kirilloff/Buxton thing is real, wow

 

[Azviking101]

For Kiriloff, It’s the same shoulder that’s been bugging him for months. Rocco said he got to the point where he couldn’t even swing a bat. With Solano healthy, what that actually means, I do not know. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

1 hour ago, rwilfong86 said:

I like this lineup, they'll at least have a chance. I like Wallner and AK but Solano and Castro give the team a better chance right now.  

Anything is possible in a one game series, but frankly the bottom half of that lineup would have us scratching our heads back in March 

[AlwaysinModeration]

1 minute ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

Anything is possible in a one game series, but frankly the bottom half of that lineup would have us scratching our heads back in March 

I honestly don’t mind it at all tonight.

[Schmoeman5]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

Vazquez to Rocco:

Rocco to Vasquez.  I gave you 50% of the starts during the regular season.  Go sit down. Can't you see I'm going over my I-pad 

[Road trip]

In an incredibly small sample size, Solano is 2 for 3 off of Urquidy.  He was probably the right lineup call regardless of Kiriloff's injury.

Hopefully Solano turns that into something like 4 for 5. (Because more than that just seems greedy)

[nicksaviking]

13 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Twins Front Office:

I figured it was more like this:

[sampleSizeOfOne]

I hope we win.

[wsnydes]

4 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Is @wsnydes doing okay? My sources are reporting the shades are closed at his house. And there’s a faint noise of the song Sailing by Christopher Cross playing in the basement. 

My sources tell me that your sources need to get their hearing checked.  It was actually Novocaine For the Soul by The Eels, and it wasn't so faint!

[Puckett34]

I would like to not see this ride end quite yet.

 

[BiggestRoccoFan]

5 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Over/under on innings from Joe Ryan? I don't see him getting a 3rd time through the order with a fully rested bullpen available. If he pitches 4 innings you'll know he's done well.

I don't see him getting out of the 1st the way he has been pitching.

[IaBeanCounter]

Read the article regarding Kirilloff's shoulder Rocco said: 

"We got him back to a reasonably good spot. He was never back to anything I would call 100 percent or close to it, but he got back to a point where he could swing. But we had to keep his workload light and kind of start there. That's why late in the season he was not playing every day. ... It just got worse."

Based on the above I question whether Kirilloff should have been on the post season roster.  He made a great stretch to get the final out of game 2 and some good scoops, but not enough to carry a non-existent bat.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

28 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Rocco to Vasquez.  I gave you 50% of the starts during the regular season.  Go sit down. Can't you see I'm going over my I-pad 

That is crazy. Not one start yet. 

[IaBeanCounter]

Just now, BiggestRoccoFan said:

I don't see him getting out of the 1st the way he has been pitching.

This is the 2023 Twins in a nutshell.  They can play horribly and we expect it to continue.  Then Ryan, Ober, Lewis Castro, etc. will come out and have a great game to turn the ship.  Based on my negativity, I believe they will win tonight.

[Mike Sixel]

6 hours ago, CRF said:

Put up or shut up time. If we have another clunker like yesterday, where we can't figure out how to get some runs across the plate...then we don't deserve to win anyway. Swinging for the fences is great...when you actually hit some out. On days when that doesn't happen, you have to manufacture runs, and that's what this team really struggles to do. That's what's wrong with their approach, and it's been that way for several years. Good teams adjust. The other thing is...I don't know if our young guys are quite ready for this pressure yet. Julien, Wallner, especially Kirilloff, and even Lewis...this is very good experience for them, but they might be in over their heads right now. Houston is a veteran team, with a veteran manager, and plenty of playoff experience. They know how to handle this atmosphere and pressure. I don't think our guys do. There's nothing I'd like more, than to win tonight and then win game 5. GO TWINS! 

They literally swept TOR, carried the team to the division title, and hit well most of the year. It is more likely a small sample size than choking or not being ready. 

[Mike Sixel]

Not one pitch and the thread is already filled with negativity. Have fun everyone....

[Sutter50]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Not one pitch and the thread is already filled with negativity. Have fun everyone....

You got that right. I can't figure out why people on this thread can be so miserable.  Why even follow this team? 

[Craig Arko]

3 minutes ago, Sutter50 said:

You got that right. I can't figure out why people on this thread can be so miserable.  Why even follow this team? 

It’s not the team that’s the problem.

[Schmoeman5]

18 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

That is crazy. Not one start yet. 

I don't believe he's played a down yet.

[PDX Twin]

8 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Not one pitch and the thread is already filled with negativity. Have fun everyone....

Fans of some teams feel "entitled." When you cheer for the Yankees, Dodgers, Manchester United, etc. you expect your team to win every year. Any setback upsets the "natural order of the universe."

Many (most?) Minnesota fans feel "disentitled." They expect to lose every year. If they managed to win the division, they prepare themselves to be swept in the first round. When that doesn't happen, they assume they will be swept (or at least beaten) in the second round. Losing is the natural order of the universe. 

I'm pessimistic as a defense mechanism. I expect them to lose and when it happens it's just "the way it's supposed to be." I don't get depressed or even distressed about it because it's the natural order of the universe. On those occasions when they surprise me and win, it's a wonderful feeling of elation.

I couldn't root for one of the "entitled" teams because it would be too depressing to fail most years at something you expected to win. 

[Schmoeman5]

25 minutes ago, IaBeanCounter said:

Read the article regarding Kirilloff's shoulder Rocco said: 

"We got him back to a reasonably good spot. He was never back to anything I would call 100 percent or close to it, but he got back to a point where he could swing. But we had to keep his workload light and kind of start there. That's why late in the season he was not playing every day. ... It just got worse."

Based on the above I question whether Kirilloff should have been on the post season roster.  He made a great stretch to get the final out of game 2 and some good scoops, but not enough to carry a non-existent bat.

Which is another way of saying. We ran him out there as long as we could. It didn't get the proper rest. Now he's done.

[bighat]

1 hour ago, Road trip said:

I doubt it is a phantom injury for Kirilloff, as the penalty is rather harsh.

From MLB.com

A club may request permission from the Commissioner's Office to replace a player who is injured during the course of a series, but that player is then ineligible for the rest of that round and the subsequent round, if there is one.

I think the Twins have seen enough of Kirilloff so far in these playoffs to be completely fine with that "penalty". The fact that the MLB allowed them to trade out AK for Bux in this position is GREAT for the Twins! 

[Parfigliano]

2 hours ago, RocRedWing said:

Looks like Kiriloff is out with an "unspecified injury". Buxton in. Do we get a little magic tonight?

From Buxton.  No.

[Parfigliano]

26 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Not one pitch and the thread is already filled with negativity. Have fun everyone....

They won a playoff series.  Im very happy with them

[Mike Sixel]

18 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

Fans of some teams feel "entitled." When you cheer for the Yankees, Dodgers, Manchester United, etc. you expect your team to win every year. Any setback upsets the "natural order of the universe."

Many (most?) Minnesota fans feel "disentitled." They expect to lose every year. If they managed to win the division, they prepare themselves to be swept in the first round. When that doesn't happen, they assume they will be swept (or at least beaten) in the second round. Losing is the natural order of the universe. 

I'm pessimistic as a defense mechanism. I expect them to lose and when it happens it's just "the way it's supposed to be." I don't get depressed or even distressed about it because it's the natural order of the universe. On those occasions when they surprise me and win, it's a wonderful feeling of elation.

I couldn't root for one of the "entitled" teams because it would be too depressing to fail most years at something you expected to win. 

i understand that perspective, but don't use it myself. I made the mistake of coming into the game thread yesterday, I won't be doing that if they are losing today. The thread was unreadable for me.

[Schmoeman5]

37 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Not one pitch and the thread is already filled with negativity. Have fun everyone....

Is there a study that confirms this?

[Sutter50]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

i understand that perspective, but don't use it myself. I made the mistake of coming into the game thread yesterday, I won't be doing that if they are losing today. The thread was unreadable for me.

I'm not gonna look winning or losing it's still negative either way. If I was watching in a bar or at the game with some of these posters it would be a horrible experience 

[RpR]

54 minutes ago, IaBeanCounter said:

Read the article regarding Kirilloff's shoulder Rocco said: 

"We got him back to a reasonably good spot. He was never back to anything I would call 100 percent or close to it, but he got back to a point where he could swing. But we had to keep his workload light and kind of start there. That's why late in the season he was not playing every day. ... It just got worse."

Based on the above I question whether Kirilloff should have been on the post season roster.  He made a great stretch to get the final out of game 2 and some good scoops, but not enough to carry a non-existent bat.

Buxton is just odd to me; Kirilloff made some great stretches for not quite accurate throws, but Solano is NOT as good a fielder as Kirilloff.

Gallo, bat stats. or not is a GOOD fielder, and was no worse than Buxton.

[Squirrel]

11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

i understand that perspective, but don't use it myself. I made the mistake of coming into the game thread yesterday, I won't be doing that if they are losing today. The thread was unreadable for me.

We already have a list of posters who will be voted off the island if they persist tonight as they did last night. It’s not a long list, very short in fact, but there is a huge difference in being disappointed or being critical than outright negativity.