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Brock Beauchamp
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Who even is this guy, I have never heard of him. He any good? Also, what does this say about Royce Lewis long term? If we are trading one of our best trade chips for a shortstop, do we expect Royce not to pan out now?

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Here is the line for Ronny Henriquez, the throw-in coming the Twins' way:

Register Pitching
Year Age AgeDif Tm Lg Lev Aff W L W-L% ERA RA9 G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
2018 18 -0.4 Rangers 2 DOSL FRk TEX 5 0 1.000 1.55 2.79 11 11 0 0 0 0 58.0 37 18 10 2 8 0 79 0 0 2 219 0.776 5.7 0.3 1.2 12.3 9.88
2019 19 -2.8 Hickory SALL A TEX 6 6 .500 4.50 5.49 21 19 1 0 0 0 82.0 91 50 41 6 27 0 99 3 0 4 357 1.439 10.0 0.7 3.0 10.9 3.67
                                                                       
2021 21   2 Teams 2 Lgs AA-A+ TEX 5 7 .417 4.71 5.09 21 16 2 0 0 0 93.2 78 53 49 17 25 0 105 4 2 1 387 1.100 7.5 1.6 2.4 10.1 4.20
2021 21 -3.7 Frisco AACN AA TEX 4 4 .500 5.04 5.43 16 11 2 0 0 0 69.2 65 42 39 15 17 0 78 2 1 0 291 1.177 8.4 1.9 2.2 10.1 4.59
2021 21 -2.3 Hickory HAE A+ TEX 1 3 .250 3.75 4.13 5 5 0 0 0 0 24.0 13 11 10 2 8 0 27 2 1 1 96 0.875 4.9 0.8 3.0 10.1 3.38
All Levels (3 Seasons)       16 13 .552 3.85 4.66 53 46 3 0 0 0 233.2 206 121 100 25 60 0 283 7 2 7 963 1.138 7.9 1.0 2.3 10.9 4.72
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Generated 3/12/2022.
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3 minutes ago, Joey P said:

Who even is this guy, I have never heard of him. He any good? Also, what does this say about Royce Lewis long term? If we are trading one of our best trade chips for a shortstop, do we expect Royce not to pan out now?

Read this player being a place holder for a year.  Also says Twins do not view Martin or Gordon as shortstops.  

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2 minutes ago, beckmt said:

Read this player being a place holder for a year.  Also says Twins do not view Martin or Gordon as shortstops.  

Martin is almost certainly not a shortstop but Kiner-Falefa is only under contract for two years. I'm not sure this says much of anything about Lewis, as he's a Minnesota Twins at best in August of this year, probably more like 2023.

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I speculated during the lockout that the Twins might acquire Kiner-Falefa for someone like Arraez. I would have thought that Garver is more valuable than Arraez, but maybe not. He's a very good defensive shortstop, who has played high-quality third base as well. He's never hit a lot, but makes contact and is an excellent base runner. Kiner-Falefa put up a 3.7 WAR despite an OPS+ of 85 last year (per BBRef), so outside of the batter's box, he is a fine player.

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3 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

BR uses DRS. Fangraphs WAR was 2.3. That is a big discrepancy the Twins must be banking in for a player with no power or walks. This reminds me of the Hicks for Murphy deal. Murphy had a good defensive reputation with an empty .277 and .284 prior to the trade.

That, too ... crappity crap crap

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Does this make us better for this year?  It makes our infield defense pretty good.  It allows Polanco to stay at 2nd. And it gives us more infield flexibility. But does that make us better after you consider the offensive loss?  Normally I would say we also lost chemistry with our pitching staff, but this year...not sure there is enough returning pitching for there to be considerable chemistry.

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So based solely on WAR in 2021 alone, this is an overall upgrade. (3.7 > 2.1)  and shortstop was a definite hole in the infield. I’ll withhold judgement on the trade for at least a few more months and I’ll give this off season a couple more days.

still waiting to see how we spend the 50 million… guess we can trade for expensive starters now that we don’t need Trevor Story and Rodon is with the Giants…

*sigh*

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Hmmmm... I really don't like moving Garver. I can see the argument for the trade - Kiner-Falefa is a top notch defender at SS in his prime and his bat is the kind you stash in the #9 spot in the lineup, but for an elite hitting catcher? I am not looking forward to the Jeffers / Rortvedt combo that's probably going to hit for .190 combined. I like Jeffers, but he was a disaster last year.

If you're going to land IKF as your SS, fine, but why not trade a prospect [or two] for him instead of Garver? It feels like a step back from contending. Sure, Henriquez is a nice prospect, but we're already loaded on the #15-20 type pitching prospects. 

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My favorite Twin after Buxton. Crap. Looks like its Ryan Jeffers and Ben Rortvedt behind the plate.

Kiner-Falefa can pick it, could win a gold glove at SS for the Twins this year. He's 26.

A creative trade with pitching prospect to boot. I hate losing Garv-Sauce but this trade is dealing from strength to filling a need big time. Ronny Henriquez is a small (5-10, 160) righthander who held his own in AA ball at age 21. 

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19 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

This, from the fellow who hates Mitch Garver with “the intensity of a thousand white hot suns”?? :) 

Find that quote.

 

I have said Garv has solid stone hands.

 

Still an awful deal. Texas moved on because IKF is a place holder. He plays while you're searching for his replacement. 

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