Nate Palmer Twins Daily Contributor Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 The Minnesota Twins have struggled to find a completely effective bullpen mix in 2019. With all the moving pieces recently and an overused Taylor Rogers, here is an attempt to find a competitive bullpen for the stretch run.Stop me if you have heard this before. The Minnesota Twins could use some better pitching performances. Early in the season all the focus was on the bullpen, and while it has more recently shifted to the starters and a stretch of dismal starts, all the changes with the relievers do cause us to wonder what should the Twins bullpen look like for the remainder of the season and into the playoffs. The good news (if there can be such thing about something you struggle with) about the Twins bullpen struggles is that they are not alone in those struggles. The Dodgers, Cubs, Braves, Padres, and even the Yankees among others have had their own hiccups along the way, whether it be performance or injury related. As a reminder to ourselves, here is what the bullpen looked like coming into Opening Day 2019. RHP Trevor MayLHP Taylor RogersRHP Blake ParkerRHP Trevor HildenbergerRHP Ryne HarperLHP Martin PerezLHP Adalberto MejiaIL-RHP Matt Magill Now Perez’s inclusion was obviously the early season luxury of being able to roll with a four-man rotation. Besides Perez’s move to the rotation we have also seen Parker, Mejia, and Magill all let loose and Hildy has been sent down, hurt, and is now trying to make a comeback. The task at hand today is trying to assemble the best bullpen with what is available to the Twins for the stretch run as they try to outpace the Indians once again like they did to begin the season. Constructing the Bullpen for the Rest of 2019 For starters, Taylor Rogers, Sergio Romo, and Ryne Harper will have a place in the bullpen barring any injury. Even after allowing a grand slam to Carlos Santanna Sunday, Rogers is still the best reliever this team has and still one of the best in the league at what he does. As food for thought, there was this informative tweet from Aaron Gleeman regarding Rogers’ usage. This makes it all the more important to find reinforcements for the bullpen so that Rocco can give Rogers some rest. Romo was brought in to be part of the backend of the bullpen and has a 1.59 ERA since coming on the scene. He has only allowed the one run since joining the Twins. Harper has done nothing but get the job done this season holding a 2.96 ERA in 51 games. While he is the third reliever mentioned here, the Twins need Harper to fill a role in the sixth and seventh innings and not end up as the third-best reliever on this list in order for the team to be competitive with playoff caliber teams. The polarizing Sam Dyson will and needs to be part of this bullpen as well for the Twins to be competitive. They went out and traded three prospects for him for a reason. While Rogers is the Twins best reliever and Romo can and has saved out some games, Dyson is really the guy that can help effectively take a load off of Rogers. The good news is Dyson looks ready to come off the IL as soon as Tuesday. Now just hopefully whatever needed to happen during those 10 days happened and he is ready to be the good Sam Dyson the Twins traded for. Tyler Duffey and Trevor May are two that carry baggage of memories with them for fans. It is sometimes hard to shake the memories of bad Duffey from our minds and see that he has continued to pitch well in relief in 2019. His ERA is a respectable 3.23 even if his 4.11 FIP gives a little reason for concern. Duffey has also turned in seven straight scoreless appearances and hasn’t given up multiple runs since July 6. Giving Duffey a run of 13 appearances with one run or less. Right role, Duffey has value for a competitive team. May had us all excited when he pulled back and nearly hit 100 mph on the radar gun. Unfortunately that has been bookended by a stretch toward the end of July where he took a loss, blew a lead, and blew a save and allowed seven runs over three games and on the other end the solo shot he allowed to Tyler Naquin. May is likely the best representation of a power arm this bullpen currently has and his 3.74 ERA and K/9 north of 10 lands him a spot here. That gives us a foundation of Rogers, Romo, Dyson, Harper, Duffey, and May in the bullpen for the stretch run, but this is where I would like to do some searching to see if we can put someone else in that final spot or two for the bullpen. Cody Stashak, Zack Littell, and Randy Dobnak have all had some flashes but when I am looking at the Astros and Yankees come postseason, if I could get a different pitcher in their spot that would be great. Quest for Outside Help The Twins could always look outside of the organization to the waiver wire to see if they could pick up a veteran reliever who has been cast off by his club. I would have been all on board the Twins taking a chance on Kyle Barraclough but he wound up with the Giants on a waiver claim. That leaves at last check relievers like Tony Sipp, Greg Holland, Trevor Rosenthal, and David Hernandez to look at. Obviously none of these guys are having great seasons and come with risk and that is why they were sent through waivers. Sipp and Holland feel like the most likely to gain some attention out of this group (Holland to the Nationals is currently drawing some strong steam). Sipp purely because he is a lefty and Holland because he is a “proven closer.” Neither looks to have much upside as Sipp may just be nearing the end at 36 and Holland looks to have lost velocity and is being hit as hard as ever in his career. I think the Twins should and will pass here. Turning to the Farm That leaves in-house options to round out the bullpen. The safe in-house option is to continue rotating Triple-A arms like the Twins have been and maybe add Ryan O’ Rourke, who was recently brought back into the system. If we are willing to not keep it safe this seems like the spot where we lean on some Rob Antony steam and call on Brusdar Graterol. We are all likely familiar with Graterol as the top arm in the Twins farm system. While he has generally been working as a starter, his shoulder injury will cause him to need to rebuild some strength to regain length to his outings, making a bullpen role perfect for him down the stretch. Graterol would add plenty of velocity to the bullpen since as a starter he can regularly hit triple digits. The shorter appearances out of the pen would also allow him to maintain extra velocity on his slider making it that much more effective of a pitch. At 20-years-old it feels very anti-Twins, but this is a new regime and they seem ready to unleash Graterol if it helps the team compete. It may even be worth taking a look further down the line of Double-A Twins pitchers. Jorge Alcala, who was acquired in the Ryan Pressly trade, has the velocity that is exciting for a bullpen arm as he can also touch triple digits. The problem is, like Fernando Romero who I haven’t included on this list, he hasn’t fully harnessed his pitch arsenal and is struggling with a 5.96 ERA. Another 2018 trade deadline acquisition in Jhoan Duran (Eduardo Escobar trade) could be someone who the Twins could try. Duran joins Graterol and Alcala as someone in the Twins system who can hit triple digits on the radar gun. He has had a solid season as a starter even though he has struggled since being promoted to Double-A Pensacola with his ERA jumping to 5.29 over three games from 3.23 over 16 at High-A Fort Myers. If he can smooth things out in the next couple weeks the No. 9 prospect by both Twins Daily and MLB Pipeline could join Graterol as an aggressive promotion to the major league pen. If I am the Twins, I believe this is the bullpen I am rolling with going forward. CL Taylor RogersCL Sam DysonRHP Sergio RomoRHP Ryne HarperRHP Trevor MayRHP Tyler DuffeyRHP Brusday Graterol(if Twins stay with a three-man bench)RHP Jhoan Duran or Triple-A rotation This obviously hopes for a Dyson return to form to take some pressure off of Rogers, but Taylor is still the shutdown guy whenever that is needed. The biggest weakness in this pen is that there is still only one lefty. So I wouldn’t hate it if someone wanted to try to shift Martin Perez or Devin Smeltzer into the bullpen. I just don’t know if I am convinced about either of them being great bullpen arms. I would also tread very carefully with Duran, but I am very curious to know how the front office views both him and Graterol. I would hate to mess with either of their developments for a handful of bullpen innings. Let me know how you would construct the Twins bullpen moving forward. Nicely call me crazy if necessary, or high fives are always nice as well. 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mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I have no answers, but I think everyone in the system has to be on call. No holding back because we already did that at trade deadline. jud6312, Mike Sixel, SF Twins Fan and 4 others 7
benji21 Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I like your suggestions, and they are probably what I would do. Leaning on the young guys is a good move and they have lots of bullets left. I don’t know what role Perez has on this team!? It sure isn’t starter anymore. Nate Palmer 1
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I don’t think the Twins would have acquired O’Rourke if they didn’t plan to use him. He’ll be up before the 31st.
jz7233 Provisional Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) Rotation: Berrios, Pineda, Odorizzi, Gibson, Smeltzer (Perez to IL)Bullpen: Rogers, Romo, Dyson (3 co-closers), Harper, Duffey, May, Thorpe, Dobnak/Graterol. Thorpe and Dobnak/Graterol could be long relievers.I don't think Duran and Alcala are ready. They will be hit hard. Edited August 13, 2019 by jz7233 South Dakota Tom 1
Danchat Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I think Perez and Graterol will be in the pen... and honestly, I think that's the best we can do at this point. If Dyson is up to snuff, our bullpen will be solid with this group - and that's with no sarcasm, I think this is a pretty good group. Now the rotation is what really concerns me, and the only reinforcements they have from the minors is Thorpe... I'm very concerned about them. diehardtwinsfan, tarheeltwinsfan, mikelink45 and 4 others 7
D.C Twins Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Bypassing an extended diatribe about horse already having left that barn... I like the idea of Duran and Graterol..... Release the Live Arms! mikelink45 1
Jham Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Free Duran! He has to be added next year. Graterol doesn't and he'll need to be on an innings limit next season. I'm not sure I'd call on him. Don't forget Trevor Hildenberger. If healthy his change up is super legit. Andrew Vasquez could refind his form as well. To me, they'd be the best options, but certainly not options you can bank on. rdehring 1
curt1965 Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Great article-well thought out and extremely well written. Personally, I’d go with your first 6 and add Thorpe and Smeltzer. I like the idea of having a “loogy” if needed to stop a big inning and/or to pitch in long relief. Nate Palmer and tarheeltwinsfan 2
beckmt Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Gaterol is my first choice here. It is probably too late to stretch him out, so use him as a one or two inning option. If Perez fails tonight, do not car if we release him, only thing he would be in the pen is a long option. Krol who is in Rochester might be another option, seems to be doing well there. Then find one of the young kids in Rochester to be the 5th starter. Dantes929 1
nokomismod Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Yes I think tonight is make or break for Perez. If he struggles early I hope he is pulled for Smeltzer who will take his place in the rotation moving Perez into the bullpen where I think he could add value.
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Step one: no more multi inning outings from Rogers for the remainder of the regular season. Step two: dunno. Hope for a lotta at'em balls, I guess. ashbury, SF Twins Fan, KidBro and 1 other 4
Nate Palmer Twins Daily Contributor Posted August 13, 2019 Author Posted August 13, 2019 Free Duran! He has to be added next year. Graterol doesn't and he'll need to be on an innings limit next season. I'm not sure I'd call on him.Don't forget Trevor Hildenberger. If healthy his change up is super legit. Andrew Vasquez could refind his form as well. To me, they'd be the best options, but certainly not options you can bank on.I was encouraged by Hildy's interview with Doogie a week or two ago. If the team and him were able to find something mechanical to fix and he can do it with success he will certainly vault to the top of options to round out the bullpen. Jham and rdehring 2
tarheeltwinsfan Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Good article. Extremely timely. I have 3 comments to make about this topic: 1) Why would a struggling started be expected to do any better in the bullpen? 2) I would emphasize "no walks" over the speed of the pitched baseball. I'd look for a reliever who will not walk anyone. If the pitcher pitches strikes, the odds are 7.5 out of 10 that the batter will make an out, whereas if the pitcher throws too many balls, the odds are 100 % that the batter walks to first base. Period. 3) I would look for a lefty who has extreme success pitching to left-handed hitters. jz7233 and Doctor Wu 2
In My La Z boy Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I think Perez and Graterol will be in the pen... and honestly, I think that's the best we can do at this point. If Dyson is up to snuff, our bullpen will be solid with this group - and that's with no sarcasm, I think this is a pretty good group. Now the rotation is what really concerns me, and the only reinforcements they have from the minors is Thorpe... I'm very concerned about them.I wish I could like this post a hundred times. Danchat 1
ashbury Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Step one: no more multi inning outings from Rogers for the remainder of the regular season. Step two: ???? Step three: Profit! SF Twins Fan and USAFChief 2
ashbury Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 1) Why would a struggling started be expected to do any better in the bullpen?Only if he can approach it differently, such as not pacing himself to try to go six innings. Max-effort, in other words. tarheeltwinsfan 1
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I don’t think the Twins would have acquired O’Rourke if they didn’t plan to use him. He’ll be up before the 31st.I wouldn't be surprised if O'Rourke was part of our 40 man roster in September as a strict LOOGY, but AAA needs reinforcements right now too, especially with how the MLB club has been cycling through their AAA options. Fortunately for us, it looks like Rochester will not qualify for the postseason, and their regular season ends Sep. 2, so that up-and-down cycle should end soon.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Step one: no more multi inning outings from Rogers for the remainder of the regular season. I don't know about that -- I kind of like multi-inning outings from a reliever when possible, as opposed to a series of relievers on shorter stints where one of them could be throwing poorly that day. I'd say we could still use Rogers for multiple innings, but to do so judiciously -- probably no more doing that with 3 run leads, certainly no more using him the next day, etc. jz7233 and mikelink45 2
Steve Lein Twins Daily Contributor Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I'm for Graterol in bullpen. I tend to believe this was the type of plan for him this year all along even if he hadn't got injured. He would be at or past his career high IP right now if healthy, and likely in triple-A or the majors by now. All things considered, you need Perez, Thorpe, or Smeltzer (or 2 of them) in the bullpen too. Rogers as only lefty is playing with fire.
Jham Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Who comes in to face Yelich in a big spot? Smeltzer, Perez and Rogers are our only lefties and 2 are starting.
rdehring Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Must say I really liked Dobnak the other night. Seems like a bulldog who could have a future. Will agree probably won't be this year. Glad a few mentioned Hildenberger. Assuming he is now healthy and he can make a couple minor adjustments over the next ten days, he is the best candidate to step up and make a difference. Everyone else is trying to find the best #7 or #8 guy in the pen. HIldenberger could be someone who slides in with the big three in a set-up role. Still would like to see another lefty out there. Don't know who that will be, but there are some options, albeit not great ones. By that I do not mean that I don't like Smeltzer or Thorpe, just that they haven't been relievers and it may be difficult to get the most out of them switching to the pen.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Hildenberger has had 3 months with an ERA under 3.5 in his MLB career so far. Hasn't stopped the narrative that he's a set up man... I don't get it. Mike Sixel, USAFChief and SF Twins Fan 3
Crackedfungo Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) I agree with Vanimal. Hildenberger hasn't really shown that he can consistently get outs at the MLB level. Look, Hledenberger as an effective reliever may be no more of a long shot than Thorpe, Dobnak or Smeltzer as an effective starter or Gaterol as a reliever but it's still a long shot IMHO. Hildenberger's opportunity has passed. Unless he were to string together a number of weeks in the minors with no runs and low hits, I would not even consider him now or in the future. It is time for Graterol to be added as a reliever, and for Smeltzer and Thorpe to take over Perez's spot. I would not bother with O'Rourke, either, unless there is a string of weeks of innings with no runs. I don't care if he is a lefty either; bring in the loser of Thorpe/Smeltzer instead. I am over the retreads....We need to win and to build experience Edited August 13, 2019 by Crackedfungo mikelink45 1
Don Walcott Verified Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I don't know about that -- I kind of like multi-inning outings from a reliever when possible, as opposed to a series of relievers on shorter stints where one of them could be throwing poorly that day. I'd say we could still use Rogers for multiple innings, but to do so judiciously -- probably no more doing that with 3 run leads, certainly no more using him the next day, etc.It seems like the problem isn't the multi-inning appearances for Rogers. The problem is pitching him the next day. Given his track record, the Sunday's game has to be the last time he pitches again the day after a multi-inning appearance. IMO, he shouldn't have been pitching on Sunday, either. 70charger, Otto von Ballpark and stringer bell 3
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 I'd say it is pretty clear that Rogers needs a day off between appearances. There are three guys in the minors that should, imo, be given a shot this month.....Alcala, Gaterol, and Duran. Hildenberger is the Trevor May of sidearmers, you think he should be better than he is.
ChrisKnutson Verified Member Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 I wouldn’t resort to promoting Graterol and Duran just yet, although I’d definitely like to see more of Colina, Romero, and Alcala.
stringer bell Verified Member Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 I think that if Dyson is recovered the Twins have the bare minimum of late-inning leverage guys--Romo, Dyson and Rogers. Having both Romo and Dyson available when Rogers is unavailable is just enough IMHO. They need left handed help for Rogers, maybe Thorpe or Smeltzer or Pérez or perhaps Ryan O'Rourke (pure LOOGy). Spotting Harper, May and Duffey again isn't optimum, but could be enough.
Linus Verified Member Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 I think the Twins are going to have to get lucky with Hildenberger and o Rourke. Am fine giving Graterol a shot too. These are all long shots but this what the FO has left us with
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 If O’Rourke is given a chance (and I think he will be) he’ll be fine. I mean he’s strictly a loogy, but that doesn’t mean he can’t help. He’s had a pretty short MLB career, but he’s held LHB to a .501 OPS. stringer bell 1
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