REPORT: Twins Lose JT Chargois On Waivers

[darin617]

 

Tyler Kinley....just saying...

Thanks, I was too lazy to look up his name. For a team that plans on contending for a playoff spot they should not be using a roster spot for a pitcher whose numbers were not worthy of being in the majors.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Thanks, I was too lazy to look up his name. For a team that plans on contending for a playoff spot they should not be using a roster spot for a pitcher whose numbers were not worthy of being in the majors.

I was lazy too and I didn't read your OP. My post was a more sarcastic way of saying exactly what you did above. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Bit perplexed to see Chargois on waivers instead of Slegers...

 

Mayo says that Chargois has the best fastball and the best slider of the system.

 

Slegers is replacement level. I just don't get it.

Because he was added to the 40-man between August 15th and the Rule 5 draft, with less than 3 years service time, Slegers can't be outrighted until 20 days before spring training, even if he clears waivers.

 

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3520

 

Not that I think the Twins would do it, even if he didn't have this restriction.

[Tuba]

Advanced metrics must clearly pinpoint Feb 22 as the best day to sneak someone through waivers. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

If he cannot pitch this season, it is best to make this move now as it will be easier to sneak him through waivers.

 

The other teams would be less likely to make a waiver claim on him before seeing their own players set foot on the practice fields. Later in the spring teams will pick up waivers claims after seeing how their own players perform.

If he can't pitch this season, he could go on the 60-day DL. And just about anyone could claim him and do the same.

[Dantes929]

 

So we can assume this doesn't involve a free agent, as there's no reason to clear space on the 40-man for a guy you haven't signed yet.

 

And if you've already signed him, you'd just say so.

Not sure I understand this.   Don't they do this all the time?    Earlier this year they cleared two or three spots that they soon filled.    If it was a trade the same logic applies as a free agent signing.   If they had already made a trade, they'd just say so.     Except they often don't.   They often clear the space and then days later make or announce the corresponding move.     Good marketing move.  Stretches out the drama.    Hoping its Cobb instead of Napoli.   Actually, really just hoping its not Napoli.

[DuluthFan]

Chargois only pitched 2 2/3 innings last year.

He is going to need to pitch some innings somewhere to get up to speed.

He will need to spend some time at AAA.

The Twins have multiple bullpen candidates on the roster ahead of him on the depth chart.

Leaving him on the 40 man roster this year will use his last option year.

 

 

[BoofBonser]

Lance Lynn to Minnesota would be pretty damn cool for a reasonable price

[Riverbrian]

Maybe they know other teams will also try to sneak players through waivers and they'd like to have a spot to pounce on one they like. 

[nicksaviking]

Bit perplexed to see Chargois on waivers instead of Slegers...

 

Mayo says that Chargois has the best fastball and the best slider of the system.

 

Slegers is replacement level. I just don't get it.

Well the team added three MLB free agent relievers in free agency and only got one MLB caliber starter.

 

The timing and Chargois' shroud of uncertainty make this an ideal time to do it if they HAD to. I'd have ditched Enns first though. Kinley next.

 

Or both, regardless.

[kab21]

This is a little disappointing since many of the hard throwing RP'ers that we were hopeful of really turning the bullpen around in the next year or two are out of the organization.

There seems to be a preference for durability also.

[Danchat]

 

Chargois only pitched 2 2/3 innings last year.

He is going to need to pitch some innings somewhere to get up to speed.

He will need to spend some time at AAA.

The Twins have multiple bullpen candidates on the roster ahead of him on the depth chart.

Leaving him on the 40 man roster this year will use his last option year.

That's a great point, Chargois will be out of options in 2019 without much experience in the majors. Teams might not want to pick him up because they'll lose that flexibility to move him between the majors and minors.

[Otto von Ballpark]

If they DL'ed Chargois, they would be able to send him down for 30 days rehab without burning an option, if that was a concern.

[Mr. Brooks]

Can't pitch from the trainer's room. Not much of a loss here, as with Burdi.

 

Some bodies just don't cooperate with throwing a baseball overhand really hard.

[Riverbrian]

Exhibit A 

 

Actually Exhibit ZZZ

 

This is why I never count those minor league chickens before they hatch. 

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

Exhibit A

 

Actually Exhibit ZZZ

 

This is why I never count those minor league chickens before they hatch.

Also why trading for actual MLB players might make sense.

[IndianaTwin]

As one commentator commentated, the Braves just ran the more talented Mauricio Cabrera through waivers unscathed, so this may be a good time to do such a thing.

[Rosterman]

For some reason, he seems healthy, but something must be showing in the early days of spring training, as well as the numbers game that he can't possibility make the bullpen out of spring training. So, if you are going to try and senak him thru waivers, do it now. Other teams will have to add him to their 40-man.

 

He would have to be paid and earn service time if they put him on the 60-day. Yes, you'd still keep him, but at some point might be making this same decision.

 

Yes, it would be wonderful to keep him, but right now the Twins need to find space for 10-11-12 pitchers on the 40 man and they have 18 pitchers currently on the rosters at Rochester and Chattanooga. Plus more knocking on the door for advancement from A+. It tends to be a numbers game, and right now being a relief pitcher in the Twins isn't the same as it was before the off-season. The Twins added THREE arms. Three decent arms. If you are in the high minors and not going to make it to the Twins in 2018, you days are numbered.

 

Yes, thought J.T. had "closer" possibilities written all over him. But the business of baseball is so strange.

 

Wow, all those power arms drafted that haven't materialized for the Twins!

[nicksaviking]

If it's a trade it would have to be one more player added to the Twins 40-man than they remove.

 

So it's not just Danny Duffy, it's Kelvin Herrera too I guess.

[VATwinsFan]

 

Aren't Zach Jones and Cameron Booser still with us?

 

For a second there I thought you said Boof Bonser.

[South Dakota Tom]

  I think the message is clear (and with precedent):  we have one spot.    We have opened up one spot on our roster, and we'd like you (___________) to be that person.    But we exposed a very good player to show you that we are willing to open up this one roster spot to you.    It is open.    We are making this offer to more than one person.    We'd like it to be you.

 

press send....

[yarnivek1972]

Why not 60 DL if he's still hurt? That he is being waived would imply he's healthy, correct?

They have to pay MLB salary and give him MLB service time if he is on the 60 day DL. There is no other reason not to do so.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I think the message is clear (and with precedent):  we have one spot.    We have opened up one spot on our roster, and we'd like you (___________) to be that person.    But we exposed a very good player to show you that we are willing to open up this one roster spot to you.    It is open.    We are making this offer to more than one person.    We'd like it to be you.

 

press send....

yeah, but, Valentine's Day was last week ...

[jorgenswest]

There will be others that will be removed. There is no way they get by with 14 position players over the course of the season. Upon seeing him this spring, If they assessed that he would not be an early option in the bullpen they might be gambling that he has a better chance to get through now rather than later.

[twins_89]

Something in camp must have indicated that Chargois had a significant problem, otherwise I can't see any reason why they would keep Kinley over him. In terms of upside (and some moderate success in a brief 2016 stint with the Twins) Chargois has been regarded as a substantially better prospect, so without some unknown issue waiving him makes very little sense to me.

[TheLeviathan]

That's unfortunate, we don't have anything to show from all those hard throwing relievers we used to love.

[old nurse]

 

Because he was added to the 40-man between August 15th and the Rule 5 draft, with less than 3 years service time, Slegers can't be outrighted until 20 days before spring training, even if he clears waivers.

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3520

Not that I think the Twins would do it, even if he didn't have this restriction.

I thought spring training had started so they could have outrighted Slegers if they wanted to.  I might have been imagining things.

 

[USAFChief]

Exhibit A 

 

Actually Exhibit ZZZ

 

This is why I never count those minor league chickens before they hatch.

 

Concur, concur, concur.

 

I take the player with proven big league experience almost every time, and I don’t care what some spread sheet says about “decline phase,” “over 30,” or much else.

 

Depending on minor leaguers is folly.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I thought spring training had started so they could have outrighted Slegers if they wanted to. I might have been imagining things.

From the link: "if a Draft-Excluded Player is not outrighted to the minors prior to the Rule 5 Draft, the player cannot be Designated for Assignment or sent outright to the minors any earlier than 20 days prior to the start of the MLB regular season."

 

Not that I think they would want to risk losing Slegers on waivers right now anyway -- with Ervin out, Slegers could be 6th on the SP depth chart if Sanchez doesn't stick. And that's including Hughes.

 

Of course, if they were signing another SP like Lynn, maybe they would consider it.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

That's unfortunate, we don't have anything to show from all those hard throwing relievers we used to love.

They went from being too valuable to trade, to not worth a roster spot, in under 24 months. There's a lesson in there somewhere. Tyler Jay is next -- I hope he gets his cup of coffee some day, at least.

 

Jake Reed might be the other last one of the bunch. He's been in Rochester two years now and the Twins ought to give him a chance and see what he can do. Who knows.