Like It or Not, Pohlads Staying Put Means Stability for Twins Leadership

[BH67]

Pohlads not selling? Then Cody is absolutely right. And in the words of Gordon Lightfoot, fellas, it's been good to know you.

Bye.

 

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Road trip said:

I suppose so.  I'm not certain it matters much.  A different GM, a different manager, maybe they would create a roster that would be more interesting to watch.

But in the end, the Pohlads won't invest in the team, don't care about winning, and are just playing their customers (us) for suckers.  

After the Trade Deadline Massacre I thought "Maybe this will work out and the Twins will be good in 2028".  That's no longer a realistic hope.  This was a much darker day.

Do you think the Milwaukee front office could put together a good team with the Twins payroll? The Brewers have the best record in baseball with a ton of young exciting players and a really good minor league system. They began the year with a $108M 26 person roster while the moribund Twins began the year with a $142M 26 person payroll. 

The Pohlads are a problem not because they don't invest in the team but because they have zero idea about how to run a baseball franchise. It is really hard for anyone to defend the Pohlads in relationship to the recent quarter century plus malaise in owning the Minnesota Twins. They seem like a deficient incompetent group of wealthy people who have nobody to tell them that they are running around naked and look embarrassing.

Still, the philosophy of putrid is all Falvey and his enforcer is Baldelli. One wonders what Levine would say. It is a sad situation for MLB and Twins fans. 

[Nshore]

The Twins can't have new owners and become a good team because the New York Yankees need to continue to beat us like a drum.  They want us in Yankee Stadium!  They need us in Yankee Stadium!

[Doctor Gast]

Pohlads have been deceived by Falvey & are delusional to think that they'll ever get anywhere with Falvey. If they really want to know how to win a lot of games & make fans happy. Look at Milwauke, who's opposite of Falvey.

[S Bart]

Jeffrey Loria....the worst MLB owner of this era has now been officially replaced by the Pohlad family. It sickens me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nashvilletwin]

The handwringing on the TD today is hilarious.  It was always a pipe dream that the Pohlads were going to sell to a  vanity driven multibillionaire who would be willing to lose even more money than the parsimonious Pohlads.  Get over it - that was never going to happen given the current financial performance and condition of this franchise.

The silver lining is the Twins are going to have to embrace a model that emphasises internal player development.  Face it - it’s the only way a franchise like the Twins can compete sans a salary cap (which may arrive with the new CBA after 2027, if we are lucky).

No, the real horrible news is that the Twins are destined to fail in this newly adopted business model with Rocco (and Falvey) at the helm.  There is absolutely nothing in their performance history that indicates they can be successful developing top young talent.  In fact, the opposite is true - Rocco is horrible at it.

The Twins actually have a genuine opportunity to build a competing team by 2028 comprised of a bunch of cheap, controllable quality players.  But that too will be a pipe dream if Rocco stays.

[jkcarew]

Oh, goodie!! Stability! Or is that stagnancy? Potato/Pototo. And, who doesn’t love stagnancy!?

Like It or Not, Pohlads Staying Put Means Stagnancy for Twins Leadership

[S Bart]

Recent article validates that the season ticket sales this year are at an all time low. I am a transplanted Twins fan who has followed them religiously since 1965 despite living in southern California including attending the World Series. With this news, I am looking at switching to the Padres. Unless the Pohlads actually show some dedication this winter, I just can't continued to follow the team during my retirement years. My annual trip back to the Twin Cities to see my grandkids and take them to Target Field will halt or probably be transplanted to St. Paul.  The whole thing saddens me greatly.

[CRF]

There's no way to put any kind of positive spin on this development. 

[RpR]

You're makin' the most of the losin' streak
Some call it sick but I call it weak...
Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah
Yeah you drag it around like a ball and chain
Wallow in the guilt wallow in the pain
Wave it like a flag wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin' and moanin' pitchin' a fit
Get over it get over it

[Sjoski]

2 hours ago, HerbieFan said:

At least we know the Twins won't be moving.

You mean...like moving up in the standings?

[ashbury]

Remember when the commissioner told the world that he was privy to inside information that the Twins sale would be happening soon??  Good times, good times.  Those were simpler days back then.

[S Bart]

16 minutes ago, Sjoski said:

You mean...like moving up in the standings?

"Ring of Fire" by Johnny Cash

[David HK]

Stability is supposed to be a positive word.  So is consistency.  But the "stability" of the pohlad chaos is just like the "consistency" of getting bent over by the yankees time after time.

The deadline day was a dark day.  This ridiculous, tone-deaf "open letter" begets a dark age.  I agree with an earlier poster that the opposite of love is indifference.  And that's exactly what the pohlads have done with my multi-decades of Twins love.  Eff that whole family.

[Lefty61]

Only more angst for long suffering Twins fans in this about face!  And fitting the team's now stuck in a rain delay in the Bronx to start the latest Chapter, feels like a harbinger for the nonsense to follow this offseason!! 

[RpR]

1 hour ago, jkcarew said:

Oh, goodie!! Stability! Or is that stagnancy? Potato/Pototo. And, who doesn’t love stagnancy!?

Like It or Not, Pohlads Staying Leadership

I wanna take you higher
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Boom laka-laka-laka, Boom laka-lak-goon-ka boom
I wanna take you higher
I wanna take you higher
Boom laka-laka-laka, Boom laka-lak-goon-ka boom
Everybody higher, higher, higher

[S Bart]

2 minutes ago, RpR said:

I wanna take you higher
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Boom laka-laka-laka, Boom laka-lak-goon-ka boom
I wanna take you higher
I wanna take you higher
Boom laka-laka-laka, Boom laka-lak-goon-ka boom
Everybody higher, higher, higher

johnny cash ring of fire - Search

[T.O.]

1 hour ago, Nashvilletwin said:

 It was always a pipe dream that the Pohlads were going to sell to a  vanity driven multibillionaire who would be willing to lose even more money than the parsimonious Pohlads. 

...the real horrible news is that the Twins are destined to fail in this newly adopted business model with Rocco (and Falvey) at the helm.  There is absolutely nothing in their performance history that indicates they can be successful developing top young talent. 

 

I agree. I always thought that was a pipe dream. What I was looking for was new ownership getting rid of Falvey and Baldelli. Now there is no hope. I wouldn't call that handwringing though. And no one right now wants to be told to "get over it".

 

[RpR]

5 minutes ago, S Bart said:

johnny cash ring of fire - Search

Hey, get rhythm
When you get the blues
C'mon, get rhythm
When you get the blues
Get a rock and roll feeling in your bones
Put taps on your toes, and get goin'
Get rhythm
When you get the blues

 

Get rhythm
When you get the blues
C'mon, get rhythm
When you get the blues
A jumpy rhythm makes you feel so fine
It'll shake all your trouble from your worried mind

Get rhythm
When you get the blues

Get rhythm

 

[Dave Borton]

3 hours ago, NYCTK said:

I think it's safe to say that I now hate the Minnesota Twins. ..

While greatly disappointed at the news, I don't hate the Twins. I just go, "Meh..."

For the past 12 years, I averaged 10 games a year. This year? 0.

They play such unimaginative ball. There is no zeal, no desire to put fans into seats by providing an entertaining style of ball. I believe part of that is complacent leadership and personality driven. So what's the option?

I listen to a ton of games. I scour MLB for pitching matchups, who is streaking, a game which is critical to the division lead, who is announcing. I listen to a ton of Reds, Giants, Dodgers, Guardians, and Tigers. 

I have town ball, where I see at times more desire than I do from millionaires playing ball. I am not asking for bloated payrolls. I am not asking for division titles. I am asking for a product which will command my attention. I don't think that is expecting too much.

[mikelink45]

Yes stability means predictability which means boring!  Sorry this is too soon to try to make something positive out of our disappointment.

[tony&rodney]

47 minutes ago, Dave Borton said:

While greatly disappointed at the news, I don't hate the Twins. I just go, "Meh..."

For the past 12 years, I averaged 10 games a year. This year? 0.

They play such unimaginative ball. There is no zeal, no desire to put fans into seats by providing an entertaining style of ball. I believe part of that is complacent leadership and personality driven. So what's the option?

I listen to a ton of games. I scour MLB for pitching matchups, who is streaking, a game which is critical to the division lead, who is announcing. I listen to a ton of Reds, Giants, Dodgers, Guardians, and Tigers. 

I have town ball, where I see at times more desire than I do from millionaires playing ball. I am not asking for bloated payrolls. I am not asking for division titles. I am asking for a product which will command my attention. I don't think that is expecting too much.

We must be Twins (pun intended). I'm doing the same thing. Tonight I can watch Ryan pitch but usually switch to another game when the Twins come to the plate. Sadly the Minnesota squad is stuck on Falvey ball, which is, has been, and will always be losing baseball as far as worth watching.

[Kevin Sheehan]

Maybe we'll get lucky and the new limited are actually Hedge Funds who would be smart enough to bring in some folks with baseball brains similar to the Raiders with Brady. In addition, in my experience Hedge Funds, even in a minority position invest with the intent to build value in their asset and then flip it in 5 years or so. No one would invest in the team without having the ability to affect a positive upside in value. That means increasing payroll, improving the fan experience and improving minor league development. We'll need more details. In the meantime, holding out for a positive outcome is better than jumping into the river..

[TheLeviathan]

3 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Why is everyone jumping on Cody about the 'stability' aspect? I'm trying to decipher where in the article it was used as a celebration and my conclusion is that people are reading the headline but not the article. 'Stability' appeared to be used as a objective statement regarding Derek Falvey and the ownership's future status. The article seemed to understand that this 'stability' wasn't going to be popular. The word wasn't being used as a positive silver lining kind of statement, it was merely being used to describe what the Pohlad's stubbornly prefer, even in the face of poor performances.

I mean....you slap a headline like that on your article.....you sorta bring it on yourself?

Look, maybe there is a time to talk about the fact that there will be "stability".  But today?  With that headline?  It's so tone deaf you can't be shocked when people read into it with their feelings.

[nicksaviking]

2 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I mean....you slap a headline like that on your article.....you sorta bring it on yourself?

Look, maybe there is a time to talk about the fact that there will be "stability".  But today?  With that headline?  It's so tone deaf you can't be shocked when people read into it with their feelings.

I don't know, I've seen way worse. To me the 'Like it or Not' part is way worse than the 'Stability' part, but only because I want to imagine 100% of the readers being in the 'Not' camp, but obviously there's never a consensus and honestly, I don't hate EVERYTHING Derek Falvey has done.

I understood where he was going with the headline right away, in short, sorry all, but Falvey and Baldelli are safe (I'd be less equivocal about Baldelli personally, he got an option picked up, not an extension) so I'm guessing the lack of fire and brimstone probably made people just assume it wasn't a cathartic pitchfork op-ed. I'd like a few of those, but this was objectively fine.

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

The handwringing on the TD today is hilarious.  It was always a pipe dream that the Pohlads were going to sell to a  vanity driven multibillionaire who would be willing to lose even more money than the parsimonious Pohlads.  Get over it - that was never going to happen given the current financial performance and condition of this franchise.

The silver lining is the Twins are going to have to embrace a model that emphasises internal player development.  Face it - it’s the only way a franchise like the Twins can compete sans a salary cap (which may arrive with the new CBA after 2027, if we are lucky).

No, the real horrible news is that the Twins are destined to fail in this newly adopted business model with Rocco (and Falvey) at the helm.  There is absolutely nothing in their performance history that indicates they can be successful developing top young talent.  In fact, the opposite is true - Rocco is horrible at it.

The Twins actually have a genuine opportunity to build a competing team by 2028 comprised of a bunch of cheap, controllable quality players.  But that too will be a pipe dream if Rocco stays.

If they are really losing enough money to get 400 million in debt, they should give the team away for free and get out from the awful financial situation. 

[nicksaviking]

9 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

If they are really losing enough money to get 400 million in debt, they should give the team away for free and get out from the awful financial situation. 

Right, the Twins are losing money either because of the way they are cooking the books or because of ineptitude.

Sorry, that shouldn't have been an OR, obviously it should be an AND.

No other team is carrying 400M (I heard 450M) in debt.

[TheLeviathan]

24 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't know, I've seen way worse. To me the 'Like it or Not' part is way worse than the 'Stability' part, but only because I want to imagine 100% of the readers being in the 'Not' camp, but obviously there's never a consensus and honestly, I don't hate EVERYTHING Derek Falvey has done.

I understood where he was going with the headline right away, in short, sorry all, but Falvey and Baldelli are safe (I'd be less equivocal about Baldelli personally, he got an option picked up, not an extension) so I'm guessing the lack of fire and brimstone probably made people just assume it wasn't a cathartic pitchfork op-ed. I'd like a few of those, but this was objectively fine.

Then the title should've been "In addition to ownership, Twins fans shouldn't expect organizational changes either"

Stability, generally speaking, has a positive connotation to it.  It's the wrong vibe.

Poverty is "stable" too in the sense that it's hard to get out of it.  Stupid decision making is "Stable" in the sense that it generally keeps repeating itself for those prone to it.  As the Pohlads have done a masterful job demonstrating.

[Doc Lenz]

Glad everyone has all the answers and can see into the future. What if Mauer and someone else are the limited partners? Plus they would have input into baseball operations? The conjecture here is nothing but conjecture. No one here including me has any idea what is coming. Moping, crying and complaining is certainly your right but it does no good because it is what it is right now. Cheer on the players and enjoy your home team.

[mluebker]

They aren’t interested in winning, they’re interested in making a profit. Time for the Pohlads to refocus on their banking business and find somebody to buy the team that actually likes baseball.