Twins Acquire Kody Clemens from Phillies

[Fatbat]

Martin will not be in MLB this year. 

[Major League Ready]

1 hour ago, rv78 said:

MInors. If they aren't any better than the dumpster players other teams are dumping then this organization is in trouble. They brought up Keaschall and it seems he was ready. He wouldn't have been brought up if not for injury. I go to the next best man in AAA or even AA. Not someone else's trash.

Your expectation is that they have a starter caliber depth after losing their primary 3B (Lewis), Their primary LF (Wallner), their #1 back-up (Castro), their 4rd option Keaschall who was doing great, their 5th option (Eeles) who is hurt?    An organization is in trouble when they have to scramble as a result of this many injuries?  Where exactly are they supposed to acquire a solid starter a month into the season?  How many teams are willing to trade at this point in the season?  

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, Whitey333 said:

Nothing against Kody Clemens but couldn't we have done better?  This going after other teams DFA players is getting old and worn out.  I think Clemens can help but really, come on.   What or who did we trade to get him?  Maybe his dad, Roger Clemens, can pitch once in a while.  Really sucks about Keashall getting hurt.  He brought some life to the team.  He could be out 2 months.  So sad.  We'll we have a deep bench now don't we?

 

Like what? Teams don't trade good players in May. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

18 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Your expectation is that they have a starter caliber depth after losing their primary 3B (Lewis), Their primary LF (Wallner), their #1 back-up (Castro), their 4rd option Keaschall who was doing great, their 5th option (Eeles) who is hurt?    An organization is in trouble when they have to scramble as a result of this many injuries?  Where exactly are they supposed to acquire a solid starter a month into the season?  How many teams are willing to trade at this point in the season?  

And to add, the Twins have players like Tanner Schobel and others who could be an improvement over the quad-A castoffs currently occupying the 26 man roster, but may not be ready yet and don’t want to derail their development or start their service time clock yet.

there’s more at stake than the 2025 big league club, including the 40 man roster when guys start getting healthy. Who’s up for DFAing prospects or having them rot on the bench?

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Your expectation is that they have a starter caliber depth after losing their primary 3B (Lewis), Their primary LF (Wallner), their #1 back-up (Castro), their 4rd option Keaschall who was doing great, their 5th option (Eeles) who is hurt?    An organization is in trouble when they have to scramble as a result of this many injuries?  Where exactly are they supposed to acquire a solid starter a month into the season?  How many teams are willing to trade at this point in the season?  

Right? No team is five deep at a position. And you left off Miranda. 

Also, despite the slow start, Lee is hitting about league average and playing good defense, so they had a legit backup. 

Oh, Rodriguez is hurt and can't replace Wallner..... As is Martin. 

[Patzky]

3 hours ago, rv78 said:

Mickey Gasper, Kody Clemens, Jonah Bride

Totally agree with mikelink45 on this one. We've got a bench and it is directly from the dumpster. Good job Falvey. With every move you make, you are lowering the floor and making this team worse. It is laughable,

Dude, half the starters are out. 

[bean5302]

I don't know why people are losing their minds over our bench guys not being All Stars.

[FlyingFinn]

9 hours ago, Mark G said:

what does it say about our position player depth in our minor leagues that we feel other teams cast offs are better options than our AAA players?  

I am open to critique if I am missing something.  

The back end of the 40 man roster isn't for your 38th, 39th and 40th best guys. It's for guys who are lower, maybe 45th or so. These guys get DFA'd frequently so you can bring up other guys in that 45th or so range. Scott Blewett is a prime example. He has pitched great for two teams and been DFA'd both times (actually passed through waivers for the Twins once this year). But now he's pitching good enough that he isn't passing through waivers. Bride and Clemens will both be DFA'd by the Twins when Lewis, Castro and Keaschall get healthy (or even Martin). McCaughan is pitching so well that if the Twins call him up again and try to DFA him, he may go the way of Blewett.

As for depth, we had Lee, Julien, Keaschall, Martin, Gasper at 2B. Lee has to play 3B now and Keaschall and Martin are injured. The 40 man can only hold so much depth at each position and it's not often that 3 injuries affect one position all at once. Luckily this didn't happen at SS where don't have the kind of depth we had at 2B.

[Riverbrian]

2 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

With Keaschall out they need a bat. They still have three guys that can play the left side in case on goes down in a game. They have enough that can 1B and 2B. I don’t see the need for both Clemons and Bride. I would have preferred they call up McCusker and put him at DH.

They still can do that. They can option Gasper and bring up McCusker but now they need a 40 spot. Instead they can DFA Bride which will create the 40 spot and maybe he will pass through waivers.

I agree with you.

McCusker would have been my choice. He's 27... He's hitting the ball right now. Hitting it hard. We need players who are hitting it hard. When someone is swinging the bat well... that would be the perfect time to give him a moment instead of granting someone else another moment. 

I'm not a fan of pre-determination. 

[Danchat]

2 hours ago, rv78 said:

MInors. If they aren't any better than the dumpster players other teams are dumping then this organization is in trouble. They brought up Keaschall and it seems he was ready. He wouldn't have been brought up if not for injury. I go to the next best man in AAA or even AA. Not someone else's trash.

Yup, they chose to go with the likes of Armando Alvarez and Ryan Fitzgerald as their AAA infielders and don't have any low-end prospects to play there. Is Will Holland also hurt?

[Dave Borton]

4 hours ago, CRF said:

Anybody old enough (like me) to remember Chester Riley from The Life of Riley? He used to say "what a revoltin development this is!" I think that would apply to this situation with Keaschall perfectly. 

Yeppir, Wm Bendix. He worked the floor in an aircraft assembly plant in So California. Can see him opening his lunch bucket.

 

[Dave Borton]

Just a suggestion. After seeing Falvey foraging on the DFA fields this year and the quality (sic) obtained, why not propose to Pohlad that Twinsdaily.com will sacrifice a member from readership.

Cash goes to the website. Every member names are placed in a hat (https://www.random.org), and Seth picks the winner.

Previous experience is not an issue. Church league softball, tavern team hardball, college ball. If none of those exist, Little League stats will do; sandlot if LL was skipped.

If the member selected is DFA'd, Pohlad must sell the team by All-Star game.

[Parfigliano]

2 hours ago, T.O. said:

The Twins are Hamstrung, Fracturing any chance they have of making the playoffs. Their future looks Oblique.

Looks pretty clear to me.

[Linus]

18 minutes ago, Dave Borton said:

Just a suggestion. After seeing Falvey foraging on the DFA fields this year and the quality (sic) obtained, why not propose to Pohlad that Twinsdaily.com will sacrifice a member from readership.

Cash goes to the website. Every member names are placed in a hat (https://www.random.org), and Seth picks the winner.

Previous experience is not an issue. Church league softball, tavern team hardball, college ball. If none of those exist, Little League stats will do; sandlot if LL was skipped.

If the member selected is DFA'd, Pohlad must sell the team by All-Star game.

Pick me - wait I am on the IL with a knee injury. 

[RpR]

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

I don't know why people are losing their minds over our bench guys not being All Stars.

April whine.

[Dave Borton]

26 minutes ago, Linus said:

Pick me - wait I am on the IL with a knee injury. 

Members are encouraged to surreptitiously approach Seth with their best offers. ideas.

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, FlyingFinn said:

...Luckily this didn't happen at SS where don't have the kind of depth we had at 2B...

I give you Christian Vazquez, pro shortstop!!! He's known for defense so I'm sure it'd work out.

[D.C Twins]

[DJL44]

9 hours ago, Danchat said:

Is Will Holland also hurt?

Yes

[cmoss84]

Might as well sign la Tortuga or Sano to play 2b.

[Doctor Wu]

5 hours ago, cmoss84 said:

Might as well sign la Tortuga or Sano to play 2b.

Ha! I was just thinking of Astudillo. At this point, either one of those guys would suffice. 

[Doctor Wu]

The Twins were able to outright Diego Cartaya from the 40-man roster earlier on Friday, so Clemens' addition will not need a corresponding move on the 40-man roster.

The first part of the article mentioned "trading" for Clemens. I may have missed it, but did we actually trade anyone to get him? I don't see any other names mentioned except that we outrighted Cartaya. 

[Major League Ready]

18 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Right? No team is five deep at a position. And you left off Miranda. 

Also, despite the slow start, Lee is hitting about league average and playing good defense, so they had a legit backup. 

Oh, Rodriguez is hurt and can't replace Wallner..... As is Martin. 

I left of Miranda because he is out due to poor performance which is different in this context but Rodriquez and Martin are good examples.  You could actually make the argument they were 6 deep at 2B.  (Julien / Castro / Lee / Martin / Eeles / Gasper and Keaschall).  They had Bader / Keirsey / Castro / Martin as outfield depth and perhaps McCusker and Holland could be added to the list.    That's a lot of back-up.  This number of injuries is just nuts. 

I really hated losing Keaschall.  He injected some life in this team.  I was looking forward to getting Wallner and Lewis back with him and Buck is going better now.  Those 4 playing well together would be an end to the boring baseball we have seen so far.   

[rv78]

21 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

Your expectation is that they have a starter caliber depth after losing their primary 3B (Lewis), Their primary LF (Wallner), their #1 back-up (Castro), their 4rd option Keaschall who was doing great, their 5th option (Eeles) who is hurt?    An organization is in trouble when they have to scramble as a result of this many injuries?  Where exactly are they supposed to acquire a solid starter a month into the season?  How many teams are willing to trade at this point in the season?  

So you are saying they have no one left in the minors that can hit better than a .197 hitting Clemens. Or that adding that player from the minors for a few games to be a bench backup until Lewis comes back, which is just a few days away, would hurt the team. Ok, sure. Clemens is not starter caliber depth either.

[NotAboutWinning]

I think this is more of a FO issue of 40 man roster and service time management. Both of which seem to squander youth at AAA.

[DJL44]

3 hours ago, Doctor Wu said:

The first part of the article mentioned "trading" for Clemens. I may have missed it, but did we actually trade anyone to get him? I don't see any other names mentioned except that we outrighted Cartaya. 

No players, just cash.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, rv78 said:

So you are saying they have no one left in the minors that can hit better than a .197 hitting Clemens. Or that adding that player from the minors for a few games to be a bench backup until Lewis comes back, which is just a few days away, would hurt the team. Ok, sure. Clemens is not starter caliber depth either.

They probably don't have any infielders who would immediately be better than Clemens left in the minors. If you bring up an actual prospect before it is necessary then you clog up your offseason 40 man roster or risk losing the player to another organization in the future. They need a stopgap for a few days.

[jorgenswest]

1 minute ago, DJL44 said:

They probably don't have any infielders who would immediately be better than Clemens left in the minors. If you bring up an actual prospect before it is necessary then you clog up your offseason 40 man roster or risk losing the player to another organization in the future. They need a stopgap for a few days.

Did they need an infielder? They have Gasper and Bride on the bench. The only position that Keaschall could play is 2B and they both can play there.

It is Keaschall’s bat at DH that will be missed. I think they should have replaced him with the best bat they could add within or outside the organization.

[DJL44]

2 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Did they need an infielder? They have Gasper and Bride on the bench. The only position that Keaschall could play is 2B and they both can play there.

It is Keaschall’s bat at DH that will be missed. I think they should have replaced him with the best bat they could add within or outside the organization.

I think they prefer Bride to McCusker in the short term.

[USAFChief]

21 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Did they need an infielder? They have Gasper and Bride on the bench. The only position that Keaschall could play is 2B and they both can play there.

It is Keaschall’s bat at DH that will be missed. I think they should have replaced him with the best bat they could add within or outside the organization.

Bingo