Hayes: "The [Minnesota] Twins Have Expressed Interest In adding A Veteran Shortstop"

[nicksaviking]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

Dreamer . I'll eat my words if they do that. 

Yeah, with new ownership on the horizon, Falvey and Baldelli will be looking over their shoulders. They almost certainly will be going with vets every chance they get because if the vets fail, it seems there's this weird built in implication that it's the player's fault for not performing. See I tried, they failed, not me! 

With prospects, it's always the organization's fault. They're busts, they were poorly developed, they were rushed. It always falls on the guys in charge.

This will be a season to deflect blame. I don't like it, but I understand self preservation and human nature.

[sweetmusicviola16]

17 minutes ago, karcherd said:

I am not a fan of Rocco, but this platoon philosophy is all related to the analytics that Falvey has invested heavily in.  When you have a department crunching numbers every way you can, you have to make use of the data.  And the Twins seem to be going to an extreme versus other teams.  Nothing will change as long as Falvey is leading the organization.  This is where I hope the new owners make changes, either Falvey becomes less rigid in his operations or he can hit the highway.

Falvey has had some good moments and done some really good things. But this propensity to spend 25 mil a year on used up vets instead of spending that extra amount on a really good player does need to stop. It doesn't work most times. Sign another guy every season who has a legitimate chance to do something significant and let your cheaper homegrown minor league options fill in the gaps. It's win win. By doing this you've also found which of those milb kids are actually players. But we'll never find out if Keirsey or Hellman or Eeles could have been solid role players, or more even,  because they always get pushed to the back of the line by a 6mil vet that we hope has a bounce back campaign.

[Blyleven2011]

They continue to want to give roster spots to veterans  , what have they done for us ( with the exception of Solano and Santana ) , they take away playing time from our young players ...

I'm done listening to the FO raving about our prospects when they won't play them once they are at the major league level , I've stated many times that the reason the rookies are failing is because rocco thinks they have been taught and developed in the minors and once here should be thrown to the wolf's  , every level has a learning curve and that should be no different here at the major league level , the propects have fullfilled their development at every level of the minors , at the major league level  the coaches need to take and develop these talented players from the minors and make that talent  even a better for the major leagues , a good manager should know this and implement the learning curve at the hardest level of them all ... 

[Blyleven2011]

9 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

Falvey has had some good moments and done some really good things. But this propensity to spend 25 mil a year on used up vets instead of spending that extra amount on a really good player does need to stop. It doesn't work most times. Sign another guy every season who has a legitimate chance to do something significant and let your cheaper homegrown minor league options fill in the gaps. It's win win. By doing this you've also found which of those milb kids are actually players. But we'll never find out if Keirsey or Hellman or Eeles could have been solid role players, or more even,  because they always get pushed to the back of the line by a 6mil vet that we hope has a bounce back campaign.

I think they're gun shy of the young and the feel good stories , since they blundered on the dobnak contract ...

[roger]

What could have been.  Had they not done last year’s trade with the Dodgers, they would have a shortstop close to ready who would hit around .200 and play great D.

[IndianaTwin]

I’m with those who say we need to wait to see how one move affects another. 
 

That said, I have a hard time getting too wound up by rumors reported by the reporter who just told us they have around $5 million available when they’ve since spent about double that. 

[sweetmusicviola16]

2 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

I think they're gun shy of the young and the feel good stories , since they blundered on the dobnak contract ...

You have a good point. They may also be gun shy the same way with trading when the Mahle, Paddack trades didn't work as hoped. I support those deals even though they didn't.

But as I said, Falvey era has seen some really good things. But this continual signing of vets, cheap, but overpaying for them is a bad continuation of the Ryan years. It rarely worked then and still rarely does. I know this won't be popular but Ryan was a good baseball guy. Did some good things.  But he never went out and got the finishing pieces. Sign an older vet. Over and over again. Now we do the same things. 

I would have liked to of seen a risk taken this off-season, I think a fairly safe risk. Sign HaSeong Kim. He was the one FA going into the off-season that I saw as something affordable and who would have maybe been a difference maker for this team. DeJong, please no.

[Blyleven2011]

Just now, sweetmusicviola16 said:

You have a good point. They may also be gun shy the same way with trading when the Mahle, Paddack trades didn't work as hoped. I support those deals even though they didn't.

But as I said, Falvey era has seen some really good things. But this continual signing of vets, cheap, but overpaying for them is a bad continuation of the Ryan years. It rarely worked then and still rarely does. I know this won't be popular but Ryan was a good baseball guy. Did some good things.  But he never went out and got the finishing pieces. Sign an older vet. Over and over again. Now we do the same things. 

I would have liked to of seen a risk taken this off-season, I think a fairly safe risk. Sign HaSeong Kim. He was the one FA going into the off-season that I saw as something affordable and who would have maybe been a difference maker for this team. DeJong, please no.

Helman just got traded to the cardinals  , opened a 40 man spot for 1 of the 2 that we just signed in free agency  ...

[sweetmusicviola16]

5 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Helman just got traded to the cardinals  , opened a 40 man spot for 1 of the 2 that we just signed in free agency  ...

Thanks. For cash. lol

Edit: Helman not only got pushed to the back of the line he got dumped. Well now we know that he can't play. I wish him well and Thanks for his efforts.

[sweetmusicviola16]

One step closer, one hurdle removed for Gasper.

[Blyleven2011]

8 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

You have a good point. They may also be gun shy the same way with trading when the Mahle, Paddack trades didn't work as hoped. I support those deals even though they didn't.

But as I said, Falvey era has seen some really good things. But this continual signing of vets, cheap, but overpaying for them is a bad continuation of the Ryan years. It rarely worked then and still rarely does. I know this won't be popular but Ryan was a good baseball guy. Did some good things.  But he never went out and got the finishing pieces. Sign an older vet. Over and over again. Now we do the same things. 

I would have liked to of seen a risk taken this off-season, I think a fairly safe risk. Sign HaSeong Kim. He was the one FA going into the off-season that I saw as something affordable and who would have maybe been a difference maker for this team. DeJong, please no.

Ryan was a well respected baseball man and still is in the Phillies organization  ...

If Ryan was given an open wallet like falvine had been given  , he would have addressed our needs alot better , Ryan was very good at talent evaluation   ,  some might disagree with that , but he was a workhorse always scouting other teams players  ...

[Blyleven2011]

1 minute ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

One step closer, one hurdle removed for Gasper.

Yep , it's going to be Gasper or I think headrick next  since we already traded a position player , headrick dfa'd because of coloumbe signing ...

They've carried headrick but have no confidence in him , so why hang on to him any farther  ...

[SteveLV]

This report is alarming.  Why invest more resources in mediocre veteran players?  I would sooner let a younger player play, and possibly fail, than block him and let a poor/mediocre older player play.

However, I think we should probably reserve judgment until all the moves are completed.  This seems to suggest other things are cooking.

[sweetmusicviola16]

2 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Yep , it's going to be Gasper or I think headrick next  since we already traded a position player , headrick dfa'd because of coloumbe signing ...

They've carried headrick but have no confidence in him , so why hang on to him any farther  ...

I'm going with Ronny Henriquez. Or, hate to say it Keirsey. Headrick for now has the lefty factor. I'm sticking with my hunch that they believe greatly in Gasper. He makes the ML team out of ST.

[Mike Sixel]

9 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Ryan was a well respected baseball man and still is in the Phillies organization  ...

If Ryan was given an open wallet like falvine had been given  , he would have addressed our needs alot better , Ryan was very good at talent evaluation   ,  some might disagree with that , but he was a workhorse always scouting other teams players  ...

Did you see those last three drafts of his? Ugh.

[Blyleven2011]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Did you see those last three drafts of his? Ugh.

Yes , I did ...

He had good ones to and im sure you know who the are ...

Falvey has had a few good ones but the jury is still out , except for the sabato and cavaco they were a bust 2 years in arow 2019 and 2020   ...

Do you know if sabato is still in our organization  ???

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Blyleven2011 said:

Yes , I did ...

He had good ones to and im sure you know who the are ...

Falvey has had a few good ones but the jury is still out , except for the sabato and cavaco they were a bust 2 years in arow 2019 and 2020   ...

Do you know if sabato is still in our organization  ???

I'm not defending Falvey's drafts......those are two different things.

[Blyleven2011]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'm not defending Falvey's drafts......those are two different things.

I don't know if they're 2 different things , I will say they are 2 different people ...

Ryan liked to draft pitchers and centerfielders in the first round , but had a few like Mauer that were not ...

Falvine liked to draft shortstops that are athletic with exception of Jenkins and sabato in the first round  , its really a small sample size compared with ryans years ...

[BSLinPA]

Luis Urías is why the Mariners traded for Jorge Polanco.  Hard pass.

[Jocko87]

4 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

You realize that Kyle Farmer hasn't been replaced in the template yet.  

 

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Because the article mentions trading a left-handed hitting outfielder so Castro can go to the outfield as part of bringing in one of these players. Because every roster spot is connected and impacts the entirety of the roster. So, we were discussing our thoughts on the Twins forcing themselves into these types of players because of their complete refusal to give their left-handed hitters a chance to hit left-handed pitching.

It's all connected and some of us enjoy bigger picture conversations instead of just discussing the individual players named because we believe the entire picture of the roster is what determines how the team will perform.

That’s not remotely linked to the new information that a backup shortstop might be in consideration.  Even if it was, it might be a top 20 item at best.  Neither of you even gave a passable wave at the actual topic of the article.

Accept the feedback with the love intended.

Just like the editorial staff shoe horns self imposed into every possible article, you guys can slow down on mentioning that someone occasionally gets pinch hit for when you don’t like it.

When you insist on your “bigger picture” in every conversation you actually obscure the details of the current detail picture the rest of us are trying to discuss.  The entire board is well aware of your feelings on platooning and roster construction.

Some articles are for zooming in, some are for zooming out.

[chpettit19]

12 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

 

That’s not remotely linked to the new information that a backup shortstop might be in consideration.  Even if it was, it might be a top 20 item at best.  Neither of you even gave a passable wave at the actual topic of the article.

Accept the feedback with the love intended.

Just like the editorial staff shoe horns self imposed into every possible article, you guys can slow down on mentioning that someone occasionally gets pinch hit for when you don’t like it.

When you insist on your “bigger picture” in every conversation you actually obscure the details of the current detail picture the rest of us are trying to discuss.  The entire board is well aware of your feelings on platooning and roster construction.

Some articles are for zooming in, some are for zooming out.

You're welcome to participate in whichever conversations you want. Don't have to participate in ours. You are welcome to have a "zoomed in" conversation if that's what you'd like to participate in. I'm quite positive people will participate.

The article brought up the left-handed hitters and the effect these potential signings would have on them. We responded to the suggestions brought up by the article. The article "zoomed out" and we responded to it. That's the point of the comment sections. Respond to the article and discuss with those that also want to discuss. So, again, the article itself zoomed out and we gave our opinions on that. Participate or don't in that conversation. It's up to you. As long as you remain within the rules of TD nobody is going to tell you how zoomed in you have to be with your comments just like nobody else is forced to be as zoomed out as some of us prefer to be as long as we all stay on the topics of the article. And we did. And many posters seemed to have found the comments worthwhile.

I appreciate your feedback and I hope you take mine in the same way as it's given with no hard feelings at all.

[jud6312]

How many bad hitters could one team possibly need?

[tarheeltwinsfan]

6 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Especially if I hit left-handed. As @DocBauer points out, the Twins have 2 lefties on their roster. With maybe a 3rd possible. Or if it gets crazy and both Julien and Rodriguez are on the roster it may reach a whopping 4! And we're still calling them "redundant." What are we doing here?! There's 2 corner outfield spots and a DH spot. 2 lefties are not redundant for 2 positions, let alone 3! The Twins have melted people's brains with this to where we can't even count apparently. 

Somebody better email the Orioles and let them know Henderson and Holliday are redundant as middle infielders who hit left-handed. And Cowser, Kjerstad, and Mullins are redundant as outfielders who hit left-handed. Luckily for them Rutschman hits from both sides of the plate so he won't be redundant with Basallo when he gets called up. But Basallo possibly playing a bunch of 1B makes him redundant with O'Hearn. They should really look to move at least 4 of those guys because we all know you can't carry 7 lefties on an MLB roster without destroying your offense.

Did you see how Henderson hit against lefties in his first 200ish PAs against them?! He can't hit lefties. No way. Ignore his .829 OPS against them in his 2nd 200 PAs against them. Platoon him! Wallner's 108 PAs against them definitely means he's toast. Larnach's 187? Book is written! He's got no chance. Don't even give these young guys a chance to learn. It's maddening.

CH, You may be on to something here. Only 2 lefty hitters, no lefty starting pitchers and only one lefty reliever. The FO has "lefty bias". Maybe Falvey was bullied by a lefty 9 year old in the 3rd grade.

[ashbury]

41 minutes ago, jud6312 said:

How many bad hitters could one team possibly need?

13 at a minimum these days.

[Jocko87]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

You're welcome to participate in whichever conversations you want. Don't have to participate in ours. You are welcome to have a "zoomed in" conversation if that's what you'd like to participate in. I'm quite positive people will participate.

The article brought up the left-handed hitters and the effect these potential signings would have on them. We responded to the suggestions brought up by the article. The article "zoomed out" and we responded to it. That's the point of the comment sections. Respond to the article and discuss with those that also want to discuss. So, again, the article itself zoomed out and we gave our opinions on that. Participate or don't in that conversation. It's up to you. As long as you remain within the rules of TD nobody is going to tell you how zoomed in you have to be with your comments just like nobody else is forced to be as zoomed out as some of us prefer to be as long as we all stay on the topics of the article. And we did. And many posters seemed to have found the comments worthwhile.

I appreciate your feedback and I hope you take mine in the same way as it's given with no hard feelings at all.

What I'm telling you, now more plainly, is that you are effecting my and others ability to participate in meaningful discussions by hijacking every thread you engage in with unrelated material.

One offhanded mention on a left handed hitter is not license to mainline platoon talk 101.  Spoiler-there will be one of those in almost every article.

What I read in your response is that you aren't too worried about others enjoyment of the discussion. As sure as you are that some find it entertaining I can be just as sure a greater number scroll on by, looking for backup shortstop talk.  That's a shame.

[Riverbrian]

2 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

 

That’s not remotely linked to the new information that a backup shortstop might be in consideration.  Even if it was, it might be a top 20 item at best.  Neither of you even gave a passable wave at the actual topic of the article.

Accept the feedback with the love intended.

Just like the editorial staff shoe horns self imposed into every possible article, you guys can slow down on mentioning that someone occasionally gets pinch hit for when you don’t like it.

When you insist on your “bigger picture” in every conversation you actually obscure the details of the current detail picture the rest of us are trying to discuss.  The entire board is well aware of your feelings on platooning and roster construction.

Some articles are for zooming in, some are for zooming out.

Accepting with the intended love. 

Your right. It's been my focus for quite some time. I wish I had something else but I don't. The rest is gone. I've known it for awhile. 

I'm telling ya... it's all I got left. I can phrase the same point many different ways but in the end... that point is all I got and I have nothing else... because nothing else really matters because roster construction for this front office is controlled by it. I can make the same point in different ways. I can list every rookie with over 100 AB's to make a point... Hey it's content... Did you know that 68% of all rookies with 100 AB's had a higher OPS than Margot but it's just a variation of the same point. I just get a "I'm not reading all that" comment from you. Which may have been a joke and it that case... Ha Ha Good one... But.. Jokes don't work anymore on TD. 

Used to spend my time here almost exclusively writing goofy stuff. Rarely talked baseball too seriously... the team was losing a lot so serious was kinda pointless...  But as TD grew, the lines on the humor had to be drawn by others so there isn't much reason to go for a laugh anymore. Gotta stay between the lines.  

OK... Serious baseball discussion it is. And Yeah... this is all I got. And I really don't like it. 

Don't want to swim in the fire Rocco and the front office waters. Every website team website fan website is crying for firings. Every single one.   

Don't want to swim in the Pohlad's are cheap waters. Yankee fans think Steinbrenner is cheap. The Twins are no different than the teams right in the middle. 

Don't want to participate in the we should trade Vazquez for Cases conversations. Good GOD! 

I understand that the website has to create content when nothing is coming out of 1 Twins Way and I know the type of content that is created out of nothing yet content is needed...  so here it comes daily.

I understand this and I'll stay out of 90% of the created content out of this thin air because it doesn't suit me. 

Every once in awhile... I'll read something posted that is in direct opposition or complete agreement to the only thing I care about and I'll post.

And Yeah... It's all I got. DeJong, Urias... Have at it. Yep... backup SS... Yep... Have at it. But... the player they add will be right handed and he will pair up nicely. It's all I got. 

Anyways... you are right. It's all I got and my time on Twinsdaily should come to an end.

It's all yours Jocko. 

 

 

 

[Vanimal46]

26 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

But.. Jokes don't work anymore on TD.

The top stories according to TD are Randballs Stu’s articles so I highly doubt that. If you wanna post jokes post jokes. Who cares? But I’ve been here long enough to know you get fixated on a certain topic then leave for an extended period and return. Don’t repeat the cycle. I think you’ve got a little more gas left in the tank. 

[randy_moist]

I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but comparing Gunnar Henderson to Matt Wallner, to try and suggest the Twins would protect the SS from lefties, if he were with them, is ridiculous. Henderson mashes lefties, his OPS against them last year would have been respectable as a RH split for him. He was worth 9 WAR last year. The Orioles use platoons too. 

Larnach proved he couldn't hit lefites in the minors. Most left-handed hitters learn it then. Some, like Wallner, learn it in the majors. It's not a refusal to let players do it, it's a failure of players to prove they can do it. You think they're not getting opportunities, but in reality, they're doing what's best for them and the team. How much better than his current .510 OPS do you think Wallner will get against lefties? You think he's going to break .700?

Consider if Walker Jenkins is serviceable against LHPs. Then he'll play against them. Yet we aren't even sure he'll hit RHP in the majors yet (just very confident), so you shouldn't be that surprised if Jenkins is one day a platoon bat, because that exists in his range of possible outcomes. We hope that's not the case, but what makes you think that's what the Twins would prefer? They want him to be good from both sides.

 

[ashbury]

59 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Accepting with the intended love. 

Your right. It's been my focus for quite some time. I wish I had something else but I don't. The rest is gone. I've known it for awhile. 

I'm telling ya... it's all I got left. I can phrase the same point many different ways but in the end... that point is all I got and I have nothing else... because nothing else really matters because roster construction for this front office is controlled by it. I can make the same point in different ways. I can list every rookie with over 100 AB's to make a point... Hey it's content... Did you know that 68% of all rookies with 100 AB's had a higher OPS than Margot but it's just a variation of the same point. I just get a "I'm not reading all that" comment from you. Which may have been a joke and it that case... Ha Ha Good one... But.. Jokes don't work anymore on TD. 

Used to spend my time here almost exclusively writing goofy stuff. Rarely talked baseball too seriously... the team was losing a lot so serious was kinda pointless...  But as TD grew, the lines on the humor had to be drawn by others so there isn't much reason to go for a laugh anymore. Gotta stay between the lines.  

OK... Serious baseball discussion it is. And Yeah... this is all I got. And I really don't like it. 

Don't want to swim in the fire Rocco and the front office waters. Every website team website fan website is crying for firings. Every single one.   

Don't want to swim in the Pohlad's are cheap waters. Yankee fans think Steinbrenner is cheap. The Twins are no different than the teams right in the middle. 

Don't want to participate in the we should trade Vazquez for Cases conversations. Good GOD! 

I understand that the website has to create content when nothing is coming out of 1 Twins Way and I know the type of content that is created out of nothing yet content is needed...  so here it comes daily.

I understand this and I'll stay out of 90% of the created content out of this thin air because it doesn't suit me. 

Every once in awhile... I'll read something posted that is in direct opposition or complete agreement to the only thing I care about and I'll post.

And Yeah... It's all I got. DeJong, Urias... Have at it. Yep... backup SS... Yep... Have at it. But... the player they add will be right handed and he will pair up nicely. It's all I got. 

Anyways... you are right. It's all I got and my time on Twinsdaily should come to an end.

It's all yours Jocko. 

 

 

 

I'm away from a proper keyboard, and trying to type on my phone using one index finger instead of two thumbs like a civilized individual, so I will say just this: I hope you don't do that.

[dxpavelka]

"Might they view Castro as more of an outfielder, given his poor infield defense, "  Moving a poor fielding infielder to the outfield seems more like hope than a winning strategy.