Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Of course this would happen. On the day Craig Kimbrel reportedly reached an agreement to sign with the Cubs, the Twins bullpen blows a two-run lead in the seventh inning. This is pretty much the most Minnesota Sports way this day could have possibly gone.Box ScorePerez: 4.2 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 60.9% strikes (56 of 92 pitches)Home Runs: Buxton (7), Cruz (8), Polanco (10)Multi-Hit Games: Polanco (2-for-4, HR)WPA of +0.1: Buxton .191, Polanco .156WPA of -0.1: Sano -.137, Perez -.218, Parker -.500Download attachment: Win65.png (chart via FanGraphs) The Twins held a 6-5 lead through six innings, but rain caused this game to be delayed more than an hour and a half. The Twins scratched across an insurance run once play resumed, but Blake Parker was ready to play his role in throwing gasoline on what was already a hot talking point across Twins Territory. I don’t know that you’ll find a Twins fan or baseball analyst who believes the Twins bullpen is fine as it’s currently constructed. So for Kimbrel to sign and Parker to give up three runs to blow the lead within a matter of hours is only going to increase the attention paid to that storyline. Parker gave up a two-run homer to Jordan Luplow and a solo shot to Roberto Perez. Just for good measure, Tyler Duffey gave up a solo homer to Francisco Lindor in the eighth. It’s worth mentioning that the Twins came into tonight 34-2 when holding a lead entering the seventh inning. Things like this haven’t happened all that often this year, it’s just that we’ve all been expecting doom for so long that it feels like they have. Perez Struggles AgainMartin Perez entered this start having posted a 5.59 ERA over his previous four outings. His last time out against Tampa Bay was particularly ugly, as he gave up six earned runs in 2 2/3 innings. Perez opened his evening by walking the leadoff man, Francisco Lindor, on four pitches. The Twins lineup was making noise again tonight, creating plenty of breathing room, but Perez wasn’t sharp once again tonight. There were a few bad-luck, seeing-eye singles mixed in, but Perez struggled to find the strike zone. When he did, he didn’t miss many bats. He threw only 60.9 percent of his pitches for strikes and got just four swinging strikes on his 92 pitches. That’s the fewest swings and misses he’s had in an outing this season, which is particularly striking because he had four appearances of fewer than four innings coming into tonight (he started the year in the bullpen, remember?). It was a bit of a sloppy game for the Twins. Perez and Jason Castro had some troubles, accounting for both a wild pitch and a passed ball. Also, Miguel Sano committed his second error of the season. Only two of the five runs Perez gave up were earned. Still, he was given a 5-1 lead at one point and could not seal the deal. Cleveland Pen Battles Through Trying TimesThis appeared to be a tough matchup for Cleveland from the get-go. Carlos Carrasco was placed in the IL due to a blood condition, resulting in the team being forced to go with a bullpen game. As if that wasn’t a challenge enough, I imagine the rain delay didn’t help things. They used seven pitchers tonight. Momentum isn’t something that can be quantified, but for Cleveland to win this game under these circumstances has to have injected some swagger into that clubhouse. The Good StuffIt wasn’t all bad. The Twins lineup was out there hitting bombas again. Byron Buxton absolutely obliterated an 0-2 pitch for a three-run homer. The lineup also combined to go 3-for-6 with runners in scoring position and five of the Twins’ run were scored with two outs. Trevor May made things interesting in the sixth, but he got out of it unscathed and struck out a pair of batters. He was averaging 96.1 mph with his four seamer tonight. He had been sitting at 94.8 mph with that pitch coming into this evening. But who am I kidding? You’re a Minnesota sports fan. You’re only here to cry in your beer (or coffee, depending on when you’re reading this) and lament about not being able to have nice things. That’s OK, we’re all here for you, lol. Postgame With Baldelli Bullpen UsageHere’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:Download attachment: Pen65.png Next GameThu at CLE, 6:10 pm CT (Berrios-Bauer) Last GameCLE 5, MIN 2: Twins Can’t Figure Out Bieber, Lindor Lifts Cleveland More from Twins DailyWill Minnesota Be a Fit for Craig Kimbrel or Dallas Keuchel?2019 MLB Draft Day 2 ThreadMLB Draft Day 3 Thread Click here to view the article
Aerodeliria Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 All of my secret fears about Parker came true in the matter of a few minutes. Uggggh... For quite a long time now, of all of the present relievers, I have felt that it was Parker who was the shakiest and pitching on borrowed time. The repo men (Indians) came to extract their repayment.
MNT1996 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 And we're up against Bauer tomorrow. I have a feeling this is a series the Twins will want to quickly forget about. Aerodeliria 1
Monticore Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Maybe Baldelli can light a fire under them for tomorrow. But, I doubt it.
Knuckleball9 Provisional Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Looks like Jim needs a new hobby.
Knuckleball9 Provisional Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 I guess the window is NOW open too wide... we need no improvements. Mike Sixel, twins_89, Jham and 3 others 6
terrydactyls Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Yesterday was Wednesday, June 5 and it was the 60th game of the year. The Twins are now 37% of the way through the season. Out of 59 years, the current team ranks 44th on the all-time list of Twins' home runs in one season and are on a pace to hit 308 home runs this season. SwainZag 1
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 probably a bit more concerned about Perez myself. Wondering if the league is figuring him out. Minny505, PDX Twin, Dman and 7 others 10
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 probably a bit more concerned about Perez myself. Wondering if the league is figuring him out.I think its more likely a case of Perez remembering who he is. LA Vikes Fan, Blake, jud6312 and 6 others 9
akmanak Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 The Twins are looking like the old Twins. Dman 1
akmanak Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 The Twins are looking like the old Twins.
Jham Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 The Twins are looking like the old Twins.You can say that again... EPEZRider, Mike Sixel, jameshenke78 and 5 others 8
carewser Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 No reasons to fret if the goal is to win the division. Plenty of reasons to fret if the goal is to be a serious contender in the playoffs. spanman2, puckstopper1, bighat and 2 others 5
bighat Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 probably a bit more concerned about Perez myself. Wondering if the league is figuring him out. I was thinking that too. Perez has looked more like his career average these days - a #5 starter with a 4.56 career ERA. He's been pretty bad his last 2 starts. He works SO SLOWLY that it's hard for me, even as a Twins fan, to watch him pitch. The league's stopped swinging at that inside cutter. Just one strikeout? Pineda, Perez, and Gibson make up over half the starting rotation. I don't know how much longer the Twins can just roll the dice with these three guys. I like Pineda and Gibby more than Perez at this point but I've had concerns about all 3 this season. Regardless of this loss, it was nice to see Buxton and Polanco both go yard. And Cruz is back! Looks like the offense is going to have to carry this team and it appears they're capable. Hopefully they can stay relaxed and not feel too much pressure today. Just relax, grab a win, everything will be just fine.
bunt_vs_the_shift Provisional Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Glad I didn't stay up for this, but unfortunately, I wasn't all that surprised when I saw what happened. Our pen needing help is a known quantity and Perez hasn't looked good lately. Maybe our guys were feeling themselves a little too much heading into Cleveland, or maybe our pitching was just due for a statistical correction. Either way, we should be turning over every rock possible to improve our pitching as we approach the trading deadline. Our lineup top to bottom is as good as I've ever seen (including 87 & 91) and there's no reason this can't be our year, so let's not let it go to waste! adorduan 1
jud6312 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Glad I'm not the only one with concerns about Perez. I obviously didn't expect him to continue that way throughout the year, but I was hopeful that he wasn't getting back to his old self. At this point I'd settle for something right in the middle. LA Vikes Fan and Tomj14 2
jud6312 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Pineda, Perez, and Gibson make up over half the starting rotation. I don't know how much longer the Twins can just roll the dice with these three guys. I like Pineda and Gibby more than Perez at this point but I've had concerns about all 3 this season. You're concerned about Gibson? I'm honestly more concerned about Odorizzi turning back into a pumpkin. LA Vikes Fan and lukeduke1980 2
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 While I don't disagree getting different, perhaps better players might help, I'm more inclined to see if they can also get these guys back on track. Perez and Parker, particularly. For some perspective or whatever: The Yankees and Dodgers both got walked off, with Expensive Offseason Bullpen Acquisition Zack Britton the goat in the former. Elsewhere, the Astros got obliterated 14-1 by Seattle, as Mike Leake threw an 89 pitch complete game. Good teams lose, in a variety of ways. 70charger, pbrezeasap, Blake and 3 others 6
puckstopper1 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 IMO losing the game is less painful for Twins fans than losing Carrasco is for Indians fans. His ailment might explain why he has struggled this season. 70charger 1
Einheri Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Speedy recovery to Carrasco, hopefully.As for the Twins, trade for some quality arms. 70charger, Mike Sixel and Tomj14 3
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Of course this would happen.On the day Craig Kimbrel reportedly reached an agreement to sign with the Cubs, the Twins bullpen blows a two-run lead in the seventh inning. This is pretty much the most Minnesota Sports way this day could have possibly gone. Stealing my stuff, Tom? From last night's game thread: Posted by USAFChief on Yesterday, 07:48 PM in Minnesota Twins TalkSort of karma for the bullpen to implode on the same night Kimbrel signs with the Cubs, no?
AlwaysinModeration Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Twins year by tens 6-47-36-46-49-16-4 New set of ten starts today. Keep rolling, boys. mendozaline, pbrezeasap, JW24 and 6 others 9
Puckett34 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Twins year by tens6-47-36-46-49-16-4New set of ten starts today. Keep rolling, boys.More of those 9-1 ten game stretches please. jud6312 and Blake 2
AlwaysinModeration Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 More of those 9-1 ten game stretches please.In football terms, the Twins are 6-0 and have ten games left, including both games against Cleveland. 70charger and Minny505 2
woolywoolhouse Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 While I don't disagree getting different, perhaps better players might help, I'm more inclined to see if they can also get these guys back on track. Perez and Parker, particularly. For some perspective or whatever: The Yankees and Dodgers both got walked off, with Expensive Offseason Bullpen Acquisition Zack Britton the goat in the former. Elsewhere, the Astros got obliterated 14-1 by Seattle, as Mike Leake threw an 89 pitch complete game. Good teams lose, in a variety of ways. And Miami - the worst team in the NL; 4th worst team in MLB - has outscored Milwaukee 24-3 in taking the first two games of their series. Maybe this is the statistical week MLB is punishing the good teams and rewarding the meek? Han Joelo and Minny505 2
adorduan Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Sure, the Twins are 34-2 after leading after 7, but having big leads has masked the bullpens shortcomings at least a little. They gave up 7 runs to Tampa bay and 6 or 7 to the Angels not too long ago besides last night's meltdown. Seriously, besides Rogers and Harper, who do you feel confident in to come in and get the job done? And there doesn't appear to be any help available in the minors. Many of us wanted an upgrade to the bullpen in the off season. jkcarew and Tomj14 2
spanman2 Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Pure speculation...Twins say hey Craig we can do 2/30...15/yr. how does that sound? No, I want a 3 year deal please....hey Craig how does 30 over 2 years sound? No, I want a 3 year deal for real. Cubs say hey Craig how does a 3 year deal for 43 sound? Great lets do it! If this is the case for the Twins to say they can't commit an extra $13 mill to make a quality run that is sad. A deep run in the playoffs easily pays that extra year. Instances like this are why ownership gets the stigma attached of not wanting to go the extra mile to win. Hopefully Derek/Thad have a viable plan B in their hip pocket. From purely a 'business' standpoint they made a poor decision for the rest of 2019. This would have really ignited more interest in the season this team is having.
Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 Sure, the Twins are 34-2 after leading after 7, but having big leads has masked the bullpens shortcomings at least a little. They gave up 7 runs to Tampa bay and 6 or 7 to the Angels not too long ago besides last night's meltdown. Seriously, besides Rogers and Harper, who do you feel confident in to come in and get the job done? And there doesn't appear to be any help available in the minors. Many of us wanted an upgrade to the bullpen in the off season.They need to upgrade the bullpen, nobody is going to dispute that. Yes, my main frustration with the bullpen building was over the offseason too. I'm not going to be too upset the Twins won't commit $40+ million to a reliever, but there were a lot of attractive options that signed for two or even one-year deals. Taking a quick look through how those guys are doing, however, you see that a ton of them have been poor investments. Joakim Soria was my favorite bargain bin guy. He has a 5.16 ERA. Kelvin Herrera has a 7.36 ERA, Jeurys Familia has a 6.56 ERA, Joe Kelly a 7.91 ERA, Andrew Miller a 3.98 ERA, David Robertson a 5.40 ERA, Cody Allen a 4.50 ERA. Some of those guys are also hurt. What I'm trying to say is bullpens are stupid Wrap up your victories in the first six innings. Get your starting rotation pitching well and your lineup socking bombas so you don't need to rely too much on the pen. pbrezeasap, DannySD, 70charger and 3 others 6
Blake Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Much as this loss grinds on me, there were a few things working against the Twins: 1. Hits that found holes and bled through.2. Perez seeming to have forgotten everything that got him where he currently is.3. Shaky fielding. Sano's error cost the Twins in a big way.4. Ump getting an attitude. The Twins do have some arms, but, those arms need to step up and get the job done. I never really thought Parker was much more than a stop-gap, much as I approve of the name, until someone currently in the organization got their act together May obviously has the fastball and if he can get his curve ball working, should be good to go. Fernando Romero has the stuff, but, does he have the confidence needed to anchor the bullpen? Then, Hildenburger fell apart for whatever reason. Hopefully, some answers will appear over the next few weeks and they will come from within rather than spending a ton of money on an FA acquisition. I say this as a fan who's not a numbers guy like a lot of you scary big brains on this site. lukeduke1980 and 70charger 2
EPEZRider Verified Member Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 We can only hope the Kimbrel signing works as well as the Darvish signing has for the Cubs. DannySD, PDX Twin and woolywoolhouse 3
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