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Sometimes I wonder about LENIII projecting...

 

LENIII was blindsided by this news, therefore Molitor was blindsided by this news :)

Take it with a grain of salt! I just happened to be listening at the time and those were my takeaways from what he said.

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Argueable, Molitor may have managed better this year than last year. With the huge dissapointment of Buxton, Sano, Dozier, Polanco and Morrison and the unloading of assets during the year, losing only

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His flaws as a manager were certainly irritating. It felt like the season was building towards this, and I don't really have an issue with the move. That said, Molitor took more heat than he probably

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So do we just email our resumes to the Twins or how does that work?  Asking for a friend.

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I think the criticism of his bullpen management is overblown. With that bullpen you are going to always be on the edge of overuse because there were only a couple of guys that were any good. More accurate blame would be to the front office for not bringing in better pitchers

Linus, agreed another, better arm or two would help. It always does/would. Agreed. But what really frustrated me was games where we were behind 4 runs and he'd still ride his best arms in the hope of a comeback instead of trying someone else and holding back on over use of his most trusted arms.

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Sometimes I wonder about LENIII projecting...

 

LENIII was blindsided by this news, therefore Molitor was blindsided by this news :)

Well, if they talk frequently, maybe it's a semi-useful or valid insight.

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Wow, well, since Molitor still had 2 years on his contract left, I assumed he was safe because the Pohlads would protect him, but clearly it's Levine and Falvey's show here.

 

My thoughts: This is a very good move. Molitor was not a good manager - his bullpen management was detrimental, his lineups favored veterans and couldn't adapt to trends (why did it take so long for Mauer to hit leadoff), and finally, but most importantly... the team was just so sloppy. So many outs left on base, so many stupid errors, and so many games where it didn't look like the team didn't show up. Molitor obviously had no control over factors like Polanco's suspension, Santana's injury, Buxton and Sano stinking it up, but his team just didn't look prepared out there. The defense suffered with largely the same cast out there. 

 

It's so weird to think that the Twins are finally going to look outside the organization for a manager... I have no idea who I want. I just want to see some new blood in here.

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Surprised no one has mentioned Derek Shelton. He was probably Falvey's choice all along. Came from Cleveland and made bench coach in case Molitor faltered so he would be ready to takeover when the opportunity presented itself.

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They have discussed other roles for him.....is that awkward? I'd think that would be awkward....

The Twins are the king of offering people they fire another role. Bill Smith is the only one I know who took it. I think he might even still be in that role?

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Surprised no one has mentioned Derek Shelton. He was probably Falvey's choice all along. Came from Cleveland and made bench coach in case Molitor faltered so he would be ready to takeover when the opportunity presented itself.

You know, neither Falvey nor Levine have brought anyone over from their former teams' coaching staff yet.

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Well, if they talk frequently, maybe it's a semi-useful or valid insight.

 

True, but Reusse said Molitor has been half-expecting it.

Didn't I say, "semi"? Maybe LENIII got only the other half. :roll:

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You know, neither Falvey nor Levine have brought anyone over from their former teams' coaching staff yet.

Shelton was Indians hitting coach from 2005-2009. Falvey joined the Indians in 2007.
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But now I'd actually kinda want to know how that would work.  I imagine that if he were optioned, he'd simply be ineligible to play and the same rules for minor league transactions would dictate. 

 

This has been kinda fun in a silly sense. Who knew that baseball rules could be so fun?!

The last true player manager IIRC was Pete Rose. He was too busy gambling on the game to option himself. But seriously, Mauer has options left. However, I think that goes away after so many years. Su unless we are going to pay him $23 million, he'd have to clear waivers each time. And I think there are rules requiring you to report. If you were really going to game it, you'd just DL him with some injury each time he wasn't going to play for awhile.

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Ah. That shows how vital his role was. I believe he was in charge of designing the new facility in Fort Meyers. He must have left when that was done.

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Shelton was Indians hitting coach from 2005-2009. Falvey joined the Indians in 2007.

Yeah, Falvey was an intern when he got to Cleveland. Shelton was already there and didn't work for him.  Falvey wasn't involved in bringing Shelton to Cleveland.  And when Falvey and Levine brought him over, it was from the Rays after the Rays let him go.  He wasn't at Cleveland. Shelton wasn't one of Falvey's guys. Just like Molitor was already here when they happened to take over, but not a guy they picked..

 

Here is what Levine said: '"Point of fact, Derek hasn't brought a single person over from Cleveland nor have I the Texas Rangers," Levine said. "In reality, the lion's share of the people we've brought in were people we didn't have a previous relationship with. I think we're planning on approaching this post in the same regard, where we're hopeful we can be as thorough as we can to get the absolute best candidates to walk through this door. This would be a very quick process if we had a specific person in mind. We do not."

 

So

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Wally Backman.

 

The worse the season is going the more entertaining it will be.

 

We'll be praying for losses just to see some meltdowns.

Someone remind me again of his "issues"? I don't see the Pohlad's signing off on that. If there's one thing the Twins have avoided the last 35 years, it's negative off-field issues for the most part.

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I was just suggesting there may have been a relationship between Falvey and Shelton that could make him a strong possibility. “Lion’s share of the people we’ve brought in were people we didn’t have a previous relationship with” leaves the door open that they had a relationship with some. As a young intern, Falvey may have been impressed with Shelton and eagerly added him to the Twins staff with possible plans for the future.

 

Or not.

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This seems to go with LENIII - Molitor was surprised:

 

Dan Hayes
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No question Paul Molitor is surprised. A week ago he said he had no doubts about returning in 2019. Also said on Sun there wouldn’t be time for another ceremonial 162 for Joe Mauer in 2019 bc "we’ll be planning for our next game so I don’t think the situation will be the same."

 

 

I am thinking there would have been some discussion with the Pohlads before last week - but maybe they wanted to have everything in order first.

 

@DanHayesMLB
Jim Pohlad said the proposal to change managers was brought to him late last week. Said it was a thorough process. #MNTwins

 

 

They certainly have not done the rip the band aid off quickly for this regime change.  One year they fire much of Gardy's coaching staff but keep Gardy.    The next year the fire Gardy, but keep Ryan.  The next year Ryan leaves, but the new GM is made to keep Molitor as manager and not bring in their own person.  Then the team plays just well enough where they end up extending Molitor only to finally fire him.  

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I would also be a strong Proponent of Jim Thome as a candidate for Twins manager if he is interested.

No offense to you or others suggesting former players with no managerial experience to be managers ... but is there a lesson to be learned in this? Just because they were once great players does not necessarily translate to being good managers. I’d hope for someone with managerial experience and/or MLB coaching experience.

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I always though Showalter was at the head of the analytics charge even as early as the 90s when he was with the Yankees. His issue was over-analzying everything, at least when he was with the Yankees.

 

In my opinion, his roster management style is lock it and throw away the key. :)

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