Article: Twins Select RHP Tyler Kinley In Rule 5 Draft (Lose Burdi to Phillies, Bard to Angels)

[Vanimal46]

Wonderful - I will continue to celebrate.

You can also celebrate about to be 41 year old Fernando Rodney signing a 1/$6 MM contract with the Twins.

 

Oh boy.

[Steve Lein]

 

If the Twins would have traded him for international cap space, then he probably would been added to Pittsburgh's 40-man roster, and therefore gone forever.

 

I think this is what is confusing some. He could only be added to Pittsburgh's 40-man if they traded him before the Rule 5 roster cutoff date (November 20th). After that, I'm pretty sure you can only add players not currently in an organization (e.g.: Free Agents) and under other rostering rules to the 40-man. 

 

Burdi was still a Twins player under contract until selected in Rule 5 draft, and he was not protected, thus a team trading for him after November 20th could not put him on the 40-man. I think you would see a lot more trades for guys left unprotected if you could do this - there really wouldn't be a point to having a Rule 5 draft.

 

I could be wrong on parts of this, but I'm farily certain on the after the cutoff stuff.

[kab21]

 

I think you can agree that they should be aiming higher than a Pressly type. I'm more annoyed they continue to explore this avenue (rule V) when the odds are so low drafting a player who will make a positive impact for the team.

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

[Thrylos]

 

 

 

 

 

What other excitement am I missing?

 

Rodney's ball cap

[Mike Sixel]

 

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

 

Or he could take up a roster spot for half the year, with the manager refusing to use him.....

[Vanimal46]

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

 

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

The opportunity cost is worth more than whatever value Kinley could provide... We're now starting the season with essentially 24 players since Kinley will be buried in the bullpen. We've seen for a few years now the disadvantages of that.

 

Then he'll be kept around for a couple of months before eventually sending him back. Someone else could have taken his reps and innings during that time.

[puckstopper1]

 

I would rather the Twins sign a reliever but they are apparently unwilling to go over a one year deal for a reliever from another team. That is the same strategy that Terry Ryan used. 

 

Until now (see Twins sign Rodney to one year deal)!!

[Twinfan & Dad]

Maybe Kinley is better than the crap we had at the end of our bullpen last year. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[drjim]

 

You can also celebrate about to be 41 year old Fernando Rodney signing a 1/$6 MM contract with the Twins.

Oh boy.

 

Crushing it.

[mikelink45]

 

You can also celebrate about to be 41 year old Fernando Rodney signing a 1/$6 MM contract with the Twins.

Oh boy.

I just got down another bottle.  The excitement is getting hard to contain.

 

[mikelink45]

 

Rodney's ball cap

Obviously now on my Christmas gift list.

 

[puckstopper1]

Bye-Bye Burdi!  (too soon?)

[Mike Sixel]

Klaw on his insider on teh rule V:

 

Burdi offered the best combination of future value ad potential not to screw up your current roster.

 

nothing on the Twins' pick.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

In the swirl of praise for infrastructure work the FO is still way behind in showing me the things I am most interested in - the players on the field. Signing Pineda did nothing for me, the loss of Burdi and Bard and the pick up of Kinley are quite confusing. I hoped some of you with better stat magic at hand could show me why I should have a better opinion of this surge in activity.

 

At this stage, if I understand our not so Hot Stove season - we have hired lots of new coaches and filled more cubicles in the office - but of course we have no metrics to judge these moves. We have Lost Belisle, Burdi, and Bard and added Kinley - which is no where close to break even.

 

Out starting staff got a man who will not pitch in 2018 giving us a wonderful rotation on the DL and minimum expectations for 2019.

 

What other excitement am I missing?

Agree. I've been excited about their coaching and executive hires and other things, but they need pitchers. Good ones. Josh Kalk is not permitted to actually go out and throw the pitches for these guys. Edited December 14, 2017 by Hosken Bombo Disco

[Twinfan & Dad]

Last season our young hitters made great strides as Falvey didnt have them on the elevator going up and down from AAA much like Ryan had.  I believe the plan was the same for our young pitchers but injuries to many of them prevented this from happening. This will be the year we get to see a few of these young arms so maybe we dont need to fill as many bullpen holes as many seem to think.  We also should see May and Hughes at some point and both will work from the pen IMO. Guess we'll have to see how it all shakes out.

[Tommygun921]

Doesn't make sense to give up Bard for the new guy. Bards had more success at AA. And how long did the Twins have to keep Burdi on the 40 man roster before moving him to the 60 day DL? Seems they could've delayed his 40 man decision into June or later. Buy as others have said. The twins know their players better than we do.

[nicksaviking]

******Mod Note********

 

Let's keep this article thread on the topic of Kinley and the Rule V situation. For the unrelated Fernando Rodney signing let's use this one:

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/28181-article-twins-sign-closer-rodney-to-one-year-deal/page-4?do=findComment&comment=701332

[jorgenswest]

Wondering...

 

The Twins didn’t lose anyone in the minor league phase and added two. Does this suggest that the depth of their system is relatively weak?

[Danchat]

Hmmm... an interesting move. Kinley's going to be 27 and he's gone from AAA in 2016 to AA and down to A+ in 2017. Sure, he gets strikeouts like nobody's business, but he looks like a career minor leaguer with no success above A+. He's an older, healthier, and less effective version of Nick Burdi. He has no business being on the Twins major league roster, wasting a spot in the bullpen for far more effective pitchers.

 

It'd be fine with the move if it involves acquiring his full rights and trading somebody insignificant to the Marlins and stashing him in the minors.

 

So far, can't say I'm a fan of the new regime's rule V picks. Most of the time these picks never amount to anything, so it really doesn't matter very much.

[bird]

 

Wondering...

The Twins didn’t lose anyone in the minor league phase and added two. Does this suggest that the depth of their system is relatively weak?

 

 

Probably not. It's likely more a reflection that much of the unprotected talent that is not already on the 40-man is in the low minors. Although our depth took a hit with the loss of Bard and Burdi, two of only 15 prospects selected. (The Yanks lost four).

[jkcarew]

I understand the idea behind the decision to leave the roster spots open and expose the likes or Bard and Burdi.  But not to use the spots for Rodney and Kinley.  Sigh.  I actually would have been more encouraged if the Twins had not signed Rodney today and not taken anyone in the Rule 5.

[MidwestTwinsFan15]

The Rule 5 Draft is a crap shoot - its a gamble for everyone. There must be a good reason why certain players were left eligible for the draft (Burdi and Bard) - like all prospects, they are un-proven commodities. Heck, the vast majority of players selected in the Rule 5 Draft are returned to their previous team. Burdi is a health risk, yes huge potential but at the same time, his risk value is now higher. These prospects were part of the vision from the previous management group and maybe they aren't in the long term plan for the current management group. I know nothing of the pick we selected, but his potential, in 2018, must be at minimum major league middle relief potential that will be serviceable 

[KirbyDome89]

 

This doesn't make any sense. Participating in Rule V is worthwhile even if the payoff isn't huge. Second guessing the draft and who was lost to the n-th degree is kind of pointless.

Kinley seems like the RH version of Turley. If things click then he could be a solid bullpen option. If things don't click then they burned an offseason 40 man roster spot on him and 50K. Not a huge loss.

The Twins are bringing in the same types of players they're exposing to the Rule V. If it's "pointless," to consider what they're giving up then isn't it "pointless," to participate in the Rule V altogether?   

 

I'm not a fan of losing Burdi, especially considering what they brought back, but I do think the Rule V can be used effectively. For that to be the case the player(s) you select should project better than what you've given up. I'm not certain that's the case here. 

[gil4]

 

I'm not too mad about this yet.  Someone called Kinely a Jim Hoey 2.0, but are we sure that Burdi isn't also a Jim Hoey 2.0? 

Neither can really be Jim Hoey 2.0 until we give up an above-average MLB SS to get him (and then replace that SS with a historically bad international free agent signing.)

[Vanimal46]

The Twins are bringing in the same types of players they're exposing to the Rule V. If it's "pointless," to consider what they're giving up then isn't it "pointless," to participate in the Rule V altogether?

 

I'm not a fan of losing Burdi, especially considering what they brought back, but I do think the Rule V can be used effectively. For that to be the case the player(s) you select should project better than what you've given up. I'm not certain that's the case here.

Exactly. It's becoming clear by the year that it's pointless to even participate in the rule V draft. Especially if you consider yourself a contending team.

 

Now this guy is going to take up a roster space for a month or two and provide minimal benefits. And one of my favorite things Falvine does (constantly rotating players in and out of the 25th spot) is hindered by a 27 year old who hasn't seen any success above A ball. Terrible.

[howieramone2]

 

So Philadelphia traded Burdi to Pittsburgh for international cap space?

 

Why didn't the Twins do that last week? I don't see what would have prevented them from doing so.

Because they have enough international cap space as is.

[howieramone2]

 

OK, you have me interested.

 

I don't like losing Burdi and Bard, and they had the roster spots for all three, but I'm happy to see an actual flame thrower in the Twins bullpen. Since he's a Rule V pick, the team is actually going to be forced to put him on the MLB roster instead of bidding their time with him in the minors until he proves to be too injured or too ineffective as has been tradition with this club.

Pressly and Busenitz.

[Obsvr]

 

Now this guy is going to take up a roster space for a month or two and provide minimal benefits. 

 

Doubtful.

 

Given his age, if he doesn't outright make the team out of spring training they'll return him.  From their official statement the hope is he comes in and competes for a job.  If he doesn't then there is no reason to keep him around.

 

 

 

 

[gil4]

 

Double-A stats

Burdi: 3.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 10.6 K/9, 5.2 BB/9

Kinley: 4.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 4.3 BB/9

 

Burdi is definitely the better prospect, as Kinley is two years older, but it's worth noting that per Baseball America Kinley has been clocked at 100 mph and he was their choice for best slider in the Marlins system.

 

That, and the fact that Kinley is presumably heathy (and pitching in the Dominican Winter League) makes this a bit more understandable. I think I would still rather use a 40-man slot on Burdi than a 25-man slot on Kinley, but it's close. 

[h2oface]

Anyone else tired of all the crushing, yet?