What To Do With Gio Urshela?

No brainer.  He is your starting 3rd baseman.  His numbers match up with virtually anyone on the team all told, less power than Buck but hits for a much better average, has numbers overall that match pretty well with Correa and Miranda, and doesn't hit as much for average as Arraez, but has more power.  Absolutely a better defensive 3rd baseman than Miranda, and I am SO sick and tired of saying 10M is too much to pay for a player with his overall performance.  

I would sign him to an extension, maybe 2 years with a team option for a 3rd, and if the team goes south you could trade him with his contract control being a good bargaining chip.  He is a good all around player and not a problem child as far as I have ever read.  Sign him!  

Yes by all means sign him.  He's a good third baseman and hits decent.  Why create a problem at 3 rd base that we already have solved?  We have way too many other areas of real concern on the team.

It’s almost a curse on the Twins team to be a good player or a good guy in the clubhouse. Gio deserves his job back as he actually played this season and wasn’t hurt continuously. Resign players that Want to be here for the team and not just for a paycheck...

54 minutes ago, William K Johnson said:

Sign him for whatever he wants.    His defense is incredible, he appears to be a great clubhouse guy and hitting is acceptable.   Miranda is not the answer at third.

His defense has been decent but certainly not incredible. He's had some very good plays, some that looked better than they were due to his lack of range, and quite a few plays that should've been made but we're either outside his limited range or just bobbled/dropped/knocked down.

He's far from a butcher, but certainly not anywhere near incredible or gold glove status.

For reference, Baseball Savant had his ’22 Outs Above Average as -5 at 3rd this year

Can't have too much depth, as the injuries of the last few seasons have shown, so I say sign him. He is not a superstar, but seems fundamentally sound and comes up with the big hit or big defensive play often enough. 

There are no free agent 3B IMO worth anything, MLB list Carpenter as  DH FA.

There are no minor league players ready to fill 3rd, so it comes down to three players, Gio, Miranda and Arraez. Gio seems the best option.

Sign and extend him.  He is our starting 3B. There is virtually no one else.  Miranda can play 3B when he Urshela needs a day off.  Absolute no brainer here.  

Would like to see the FO attempt to extend him 3-4 years. He is one a good professional bat and you can never have enough.  Would 3 yr $30m get it down? 

He is one of the few players on this team that has earned a place in 23. Just look what happened when the FO told good bye to Rosario. The team is still looking for a Left fielder. I have lost count after 10. 

The biggest issue with him is the 40 man crunch coming up.  As it sits even after you remove the FA and assuming we opt out of Sano, we have 42 guys on our 40 man roster right now, plus the few guys that will need to be added to save from rule 5 draft.  That will need to be a factor.  He is an average player, maybe slightly above, but in a perfect line up is he in the top of it?  I would say no.  

His defense is inflated by the eye test.  He looks like he makes great plays, which at times he did, but he missed a lot of plays too that were not errors but others could have made. Not only do we have Miranda, but depending on what we decide to do with FA and SS we have possibly Lewis to slide over, Arraez, not sure Gordon has the arm to play third but sure he could fill in if needed. 

I am not saying dump him, but I am far from the bring him back for sure stance.  It will be a hard decision. Depending on how team feels about Lee it is possible he could come up, they have been very aggressive with him so far. 

1 hour ago, Mark G said:

I am SO sick and tired of saying 10M is too much to pay for a player with his overall performance.  

I agree with this sentiment. A 1 year $10M contract for Urshela is a no-brainer. Non-tender would be stupid. They won't find a better deal among free agents.

Honestly, I believe that we should keep him. He is exactly what a manager could have asked for. He has been durable as shown by him playing in 137 games, can play the hot corner at a very serviceable level, and he puts the ball in play. Honestly, you cannot ask for much more from a player of his caliber. 

Not that this is something, but that trade to MN might have taken less pressure off his shoulders to perform. We all know that as a NYY if you're on the starting roster, you're expected to perform at a superstar level all the time. Plus he was coming after of a very good 3B (A-Rod) the NY had for years. But now that he is in a smaller market team, he doesn't have that same expectations to live up to. 

Resign. Extend 1-3 years if you can. He holds down the stop until Lee is ready.

if it's a decision of him or Miranda (at min salary) to get playing time....go w Miranda...put the 10million into the pitching staff.......like Gio, wasn't sold on him early...but had a good year.....

Guys whose bats need to be in the lineup everyday: Miranda, Aarez,  Kirloff, Gordon as Super Utility.......also depends what they do at Short.....

I would not consider this season as "disappointing" except the last month where our injuries finally caught up with us. We were in first place longer than any other Central division club and we did this essentially without a bullpen. I'd sign Urshella, try to keep Correa and dump Sano. I don't think we can count on Kiriloff for next year as he may be the new Buxton with getting hurt all the time. We need pitching- especially relief pitching- if we are ever going to win the division. THAT needs to be our main concern. Ryan is our top dog. Maeda may bounce back. Ober could be as good as Ryan. The other starters are fair. Archer should be a middle reliever if he returns. And Rocco is a big question.

1 hour ago, Trov said:

The biggest issue with him is the 40 man crunch coming up.  As it sits even after you remove the FA and assuming we opt out of Sano, we have 42 guys on our 40 man roster right now, plus the few guys that will need to be added to save from rule 5 draft.  That will need to be a factor.  He is an average player, maybe slightly above, but in a perfect line up is he in the top of it?  I would say no.  

His defense is inflated by the eye test.  He looks like he makes great plays, which at times he did, but he missed a lot of plays too that were not errors but others could have made. Not only do we have Miranda, but depending on what we decide to do with FA and SS we have possibly Lewis to slide over, Arraez, not sure Gordon has the arm to play third but sure he could fill in if needed. 

I am not saying dump him, but I am far from the bring him back for sure stance.  It will be a hard decision. Depending on how team feels about Lee it is possible he could come up, they have been very aggressive with him so far. 

Why should there be a crunch in the 40 man roster? Do you really want to keep Jake Cave on there? Sano? Thielbar? Archer, even Sanchez? C'mon. There has to be minor leaguers better than them. And cheaper too. And what does "ready" really mean? Prospect lists come and go and some of those on the team now doing ok were never top 10 prospects. If a player is that good, then play him. If not, then ????

I know this is probably shouting from the bleachers, so to speak, a minority of one, probably.  What if we were to sign Urshela, leaving him at 3rd, trade Polanco while he still has decent value, put Arraez at 2nd primarily with Gordon as the utility guy filling in, use Miranda and Kirilloff at 1st with the other DHing when not in the field.  That is one medium priced IF guy and 4 pretty cheap ones, and a pretty decent batting order.  It leaves money to sign Correa, or pitching if Carlos leaves, and the outfield has more than enough guys to fight it out for 4 spots.  And find a catcher!!  

Now, if Carlos does leave, we may have to live with a stop gap FA for a year until one of our guys are ready, but we could fit one into the budget.  

I will try not to read the responses; I get scolded enough at home.    

1/$10m is nothing in today's market for a (at worst) slightly less than average 3B.  Especially when you do not have a clear backup.  The Twins have bigger decisions to make than this.  Sign him to a 1-2 year deal with an option and move on.

The roster crunch is interesting, but we will have some guys moving off the 40-man (Sano, Bundy, and Archer, for example) who make it less of a problem and there's some fungible relievers as well.

I think offering Urshela arbitration makes sense, even if his number comes in at $10M. He's been more than worth that this season and there's little reason to think he can't be a 2-3 bWAR player; 2021 looks more like the aberration year for him not the expected. He's not an elite defender, but he's still a solid one, and has some positional flexibility if needed (I wouldn't want him playing SS on the regular, but it's nice to have options in an emergency and I expect he could slot in at 2B or 1B if needed without too much aggro). He get hits, has enough pop in his bat to be a threat and fit in very nicely in the bottom 3rd of your order to not give pitchers a break.

I probably wouldn't look to extend him, though. It's unlikely he'd be interested in a deal shorter than 3-4 years and that's a little more of a commitment I want to make, especially if the AAV is $10M+. 3B is easily his best position right now, but we also have young prospects with higher upsides coming through the system and that deal might not look great in 2 years. He's not going to do 1 plus a team option or even 2 plus a team option; he might want to stay, but he's getting right at the cash in point and if he were a FA this year he'd definitely be getting 3-4 year offers. Hard to think he won't bet on himself by taking $10M and becoming a FA. Which is probably ok for both sides, really.

He is a no brainer.  Keep him for one more year while under team control, and then worry about the future of the hot corner the following year when hopefully our young guys are ready to burst down the door and need playing time.

5 minutes ago, twinfan said:

Why should there be a crunch in the 40 man roster? Do you really want to keep Jake Cave on there? Sano? Thielbar? Archer, even Sanchez? C'mon. There has to be minor leaguers better than them. And cheaper too. And what does "ready" really mean? Prospect lists come and go and some of those on the team now doing ok were never top 10 prospects. If a player is that good, then play him. If not, then ????

Agree completely..............almost.  I still like Thielbar.  He only made 1.3M this year, and has 2 years arbitration left.  He shouldn't be too expensive for another year or two.  

I'd definitely keep him next year. But after that besides having Miranda at 3B, we might be looking at Lee, Lewis & Martin (what a combo) at 3B possibilities. So I wouldn't extend him. If we end up signing Correa, there might be an opportunity to trade him when Lewis is ready.

I don't trust these defensive stats unless they match upwith the eye test.

18 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

I'd definitely keep him next year. But after that besides having Miranda at 3B, we might be looking at Lee, Lewis & Martin (what a combo) at 3B possibilities. So I wouldn't extend him. If we end up signing Correa, there might be an opportunity to trade him when Lewis is ready.

I don't trust these defensive stats unless they match upwith the eye test.

"I don't trust these defensive stats unless they match up with the eye test."

Agreed!

41 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

The roster crunch is interesting, but we will have some guys moving off the 40-man (Sano, Bundy, and Archer, for example) who make it less of a problem and there's some fungible relievers as well.

I think offering Urshela arbitration makes sense, even if his number comes in at $10M. He's been more than worth that this season and there's little reason to think he can't be a 2-3 bWAR player; 2021 looks more like the aberration year for him not the expected. He's not an elite defender, but he's still a solid one, and has some positional flexibility if needed (I wouldn't want him playing SS on the regular, but it's nice to have options in an emergency and I expect he could slot in at 2B or 1B if needed without too much aggro). He get hits, has enough pop in his bat to be a threat and fit in very nicely in the bottom 3rd of your order to not give pitchers a break.

I probably wouldn't look to extend him, though. It's unlikely he'd be interested in a deal shorter than 3-4 years and that's a little more of a commitment I want to make, especially if the AAV is $10M+. 3B is easily his best position right now, but we also have young prospects with higher upsides coming through the system and that deal might not look great in 2 years. He's not going to do 1 plus a team option or even 2 plus a team option; he might want to stay, but he's getting right at the cash in point and if he were a FA this year he'd definitely be getting 3-4 year offers. Hard to think he won't bet on himself by taking $10M and becoming a FA. Which is probably ok for both sides, really.

Agree with most, but at the end you say if he were a FA today he would get 3-4 year offers; offers being plural.  I believe that is right; more than one team in MLB would consider that.  My thought process is if multiple other teams (at least I believe there would be) think he is worth the offer, why wouldn't we?  Our 3rd base options are a lesser fielder who we could play elsewhere, and prospects we hope will be ready soon.  A bird in the hand...........