Should the Twins cut Burrows?

[Mike Sixel]

Yes ...

[GCTF]

With what?

[Unwinder]

The Twins have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in figuring out exactly what they have in Beau Burrows.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Unwinder said:

The Twins have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in figuring out exactly what they have in Beau Burrows.

Right? He didn't leave any doubts. If he's on the roster after today, I will join the chorus calling for the FO to go. 

[Cap'n Piranha]

He was a first round pick just 6 years ago, who had barely any MLB time (15 IP).  I have no problem with them running him out in a lost season, and seeing what there is to see.

However, it does seem like we did indeed see what we saw, so if he wants to go back to AAA, I'm fine with that, but it seems it's time to investigate some other options (like Garcia, Hamilton, Cano, Moran, etc.)

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Burrows is a young kid; on the other hand he's better than 99.9% of everyone else and signed for a huge bonus when he was drafted in 2015 so I can't feel too bad for him personally. 

Also who's that guy two slots below Burrows

2015	1		21	FrRnd	21	Royals	Y	$2,190,200	Ashe Russell (minors)	RHP
2015	1		22	FrRnd	22	Tigers	Y	$2,154,200	Beau Burrows (minors)	RHP
2015	1		23	FrRnd	23	Cardinals	Y	$2,124,400	Nick Plummer (minors)	OF
2015	1		24	FrRnd	24	Dodgers	Y	$1,777,500	Walker Buehler (minors)	RHP

 

 

[Vanimal46]

A discard from the Tigers isn’t doing well? 
 

[bean5302]

Not sure why it's important to hurl personal insults at him. I'm pretty sure he didn't intentionally struggle in MLB. 

[Monkeypaws]

Can't we just send him to AAA? Cut seems rather harsh

[Seth Stohs]

3 minutes ago, Monkeypaws said:

Can't we just send him to AAA? Cut seems rather harsh

Because of his youth and the fact that he has options remaining, they do have time if their pitching people believe there's something there. There are several others that could be DFAd to make room, or some 60 Day IL options.  

That said, the fastball isn't overly exciting. The command isn't exactly good. If they have seen enough, I won't argue with it. 

[Unwinder]

I'm completely fine with him going back to AAA, everyone has the capacity to learn and improve.

[jkcarew]

If it’s Moran that everyone wants to see sooner rather than later…there are a few options. For instance, what is Derek Law doing on the 40-man at this point?

[yeahyabetcha]

So if Hamilton, Canó and Moran get the call up and struggle right away out of the gate, do they get DFA’d also?

[sjunisu]

7 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

Because of his youth and the fact that he has options remaining, they do have time if their pitching people believe there's something there. There are several others that could be DFAd to make room, or some 60 Day IL options.  

That said, the fastball isn't overly exciting. The command isn't exactly good. If they have seen enough, I won't argue with it. 

Why?  Burrows, Gracia, and a few others are taking up/eating innings that should go to several of our own propects.  This is the fundemental problem with the FO - constantly trying to find reclamation projects eating up roster space instead of looking and using our own prospects to see what we actually have.  The FO has clearly misjudged some of our own prospects previously and continue to show this is one of their major weaknesses (think discarded prospects from others are worth more of a look than our own).

[big dog]

 We learned some things last night, let's use them.

I wish Burrows the best, and maybe he'll get things straightened out. I don't think trying to do it on the Twins 26-man roster right now is the best plan, though.

My only regret is that this is the game we should have given to Shoemaker so he could show the world how much he improved.

[4twinsJA]

Burrows has options, send to AAA. There are a few on 40 man that could be DFA'd or moved to 60 day IL. Farrell and Law have been out an extended time already move them to 60 day IL and open a couple of roster spots.

[Major League Ready]

The more interesting question is who should get the next shot.  I could go either way on Moran or Hamilton.

[wavedog]

I don't feel Burrows should be on the 26 man roster and am skeptical of having him occupy a 40 man position.  He was a 1st round pick so he had exhibited some talent but he has not pitched well in the last couple of years at the higher levels and in the majors.  Not sure if we picked him up based on that 1st round reputation and thought we could Wes or Slider him to to be a mlb reliever, but I haven't seen evidence to give hope of that.   Realize this season is the time to take flyers but he just looks like one of the worse spare parts in our junk drawer of relief pitchers.    I would prefer to see some of our relievers that at least have shown some success at AAA/AA.  

[Brock Beauchamp]

36 minutes ago, Number3 said:

All I know is the Twins had just taken 3 of 4 from the Astros in their place, come home to Target against the first place White Sox on national TV and Rocco, the Mad Scientist, Baldelli decides to conduct another experiment resulting in total embarrassment for the subject of his experiment and the team as a whole. On top of that, Miquel, the Pillsbury Dough Boy, Sano drops a pop up to add a catalyst to the experiment. Cut Baldelli and keep Burrows.

It's pretty hard to blame Baldelli for having no good options on his roster. He's not immune from blame this season but a bad roster definitely isn't under his purview.

[gunnarthor]

I understand why the Twins took a flyer on him but he needs innings. Lots of innings. I think they should cut him, no one will claim him, and then send him to AAA, make him a starter, and get a bunch of innings into him. He's barely thrown 100 innings since 2019.

His lack of innings isn't just the Twins fault but it also might be a side effect of the Twins philosophy of the 5 inning starter. Our minor league arms just aren't throwing enough innings. Twins don't seem to have a single pitcher in the top 50 in minor league innings pitcher - https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/leader.cgi?request=1&type=pitch&year=2021&group=Minors&sort_by=W

[Unwinder]

I was mad about the Twins wasting innings on Burrows last night, but after sleeping on it, I feel like the FO is doing exactly what I want them to do: throwing any pitcher they can get their hands on at the wall and seeing what sticks. It's frustrating not to see them calling up the prospects I want to see, but guys like Garcia and Burrows are limited-time offers, and theoretically, there are pitchers out there who our pitching staff can fix.

[nicksaviking]

13 hours ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

He was a first round pick just 6 years ago, who had barely any MLB time (15 IP).  I have no problem with them running him out in a lost season, and seeing what there is to see.

However, it does seem like we did indeed see what we saw, so if he wants to go back to AAA, I'm fine with that, but it seems it's time to investigate some other options (like Garcia, Hamilton, Cano, Moran, etc.)

I would have preferred the front office looked at his low strikeout numbers instead of his high draft position for evaluation.

In my opinion, draft position should carry next to no weight after a guy has a full year or two of playing pro ball. I'm all for taking a flyer on guys at this point in the season, but do it with guys with upside.

[mnfireman]

I think they need to get their minor league rotations lined up with the big clubs. Jax, Ober, Pineda and Maeda need to stay in order and the upper minors need to line up for the 5th spot. Bring them up two at a time and let them know that they are getting about 60 pitches to show what they got, then the other guy is coming in for about 60 pitches. These two pitchers would also be eligible to pitch an inning or so on the day of their scheduled BP session. Don't bring them in in the middle of an inning, simulate a start as much as possible. The current bullpen could handle 2 of its current members being demoted to AAA or DFA'd. There are enough guys needing to be looked at to do this until the end of the season. We as fans just need to be more understanding and accept that this will be a necessary evil. 

[Dman]

27 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

I understand why the Twins took a flyer on him but he needs innings. Lots of innings. I think they should cut him, no one will claim him, and then send him to AAA, make him a starter, and get a bunch of innings into him. He's barely thrown 100 innings since 2019.

His lack of innings isn't just the Twins fault but it also might be a side effect of the Twins philosophy of the 5 inning starter. Our minor league arms just aren't throwing enough innings. Twins don't seem to have a single pitcher in the top 50 in minor league innings pitcher - https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/leader.cgi?request=1&type=pitch&year=2021&group=Minors&sort_by=W

I agree he needs a lot more time to see what he really can be and AAA would be a much better place to see if he can develop.  Watching that flat fastball to Anderson for the home run makes me think he doesn't belong at the MLB level right now.  He doesn't throw real hard has a low K rate I think they can find better potential candidates to fill that spot on the 26 man.  I would try to pass him through after last nights game I wouldn't think anyone would want him right now.

[Tibs]

He is young and has options so I have no problem with them sending him down until room is needed on the 40 man.

He needs to be replaced on the current roster though. He has been terrible so I wouldn't be upset if he was released.

[MMMordabito]

DFA Burrows and call up Tyler Jay.  He was drafted ahead of Burrows in the 2015 draft, so there may be some untapped potential there. Oh wait ....

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, yeahyabetcha said:

So if Hamilton, Canó and Moran get the call up and struggle right away out of the gate, do they get DFA’d also?

Burrows was released by Detroit, because he was bad there also. This isn't just the Minnesota experience. Should be be on the roster right now? That's the question.

[yeahyabetcha]

46 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Burrows was released by Detroit, because he was bad there also. This isn't just the Minnesota experience. Should be be on the roster right now? That's the question.

There are many instances of players being cut loose by one organization, only to find success with another.  
 

As to the question if he should be on the roster or not?  My answer would be no, because he doesn’t seem to be able to throw his off speed for strikes enough.  But I thought this was supposed to be the season of trying some guys out???

[Mike Sixel]

20 minutes ago, yeahyabetcha said:

There are many instances of players being cut loose by one organization, only to find success with another.  
 

As to the question if he should be on the roster or not?  My answer would be no, because he doesn’t seem to be able to throw his off speed for strikes enough.  But I thought this was supposed to be the season of trying some guys out???

Plenty of other guys in AAA to try out. Not all of them are young..... If there wasn't, no biggie either way. But there are.

[DJL44]

2 hours ago, gunnarthor said:

I understand why the Twins took a flyer on him but he needs innings. Lots of innings. I think they should cut him, no one will claim him, and then send him to AAA, make him a starter, and get a bunch of innings into him. He's barely thrown 100 innings since 2019.

I agree with all of this, except I think I'd send him to Cedar Rapids or Wichita.