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  1. sjunisu

    Saddest sports city

    You are mistaking jealously and insecurity for anger and frustration. The Vikings are an absolte basketcase and have been for years (which is unfortunate as they have owners who are willing to spend money and appear to be fans of the game). The Wild and Wolves have owners that are clueless on how to win in their respective sports (although the Wild hiring GMBG was a strong move and looks like might slowly move them forward). As for the Twins, the owner cares more about yearly cash-flow than any sense of loyalty/responsibility to the fans (and don't get me started with its a business and they need to make money - the massive increase in franchise valuation is where they make their money, as it is with any owner/franchise). I could understand the Pohlads approach if the Twins were their primary business (like when Al Davis owned the Raiders), but the Twins are just a cog in the Pohlad money machine. Unlike other major sports owners, it does not appear that owning the franchise provides them with any real joy or excitement - which honestly shows in the performance and approach of the team over time.
  2. I honestly did not even think this was debatable at this point. We got the use of a 4th outfielder (which are a dime a dozen) for a lottery ticket that looks like cashed big and would certainly look good in our rotation going into 2022. I don't need to be Nostradamus to know the Yankees will have won this trade in the same way they have been dominating our Twins over the last decade - in decisive fashion
  3. sjunisu

    Saddest sports city

    Maybe we can all form a circle and sing Kumbaya and be thankful our billionaire owner overlords simply let us have the privledge of watching their teams perform while continually giving them more of our tax money.
  4. Very fair question. Honestly depends on how that 82-80 looks and was reached. If that level is reached w/ Miranda/Kirilloff/Larnach getting extended playing time and growth during the season, along with 3 young starters showing real potential (might already be 2/3 there with Ryan and Ober but want to see a whole season), 1+ top level starter signed for at least 4-5 yrs, significantly improved defense, and a respectable bullpen then I am OK (this also assumes quality growth from Lewis, Martin, and Celistino as well as continued strong growth from other minor league arms) However, if that record is reached with 2-3 1yr pitching contracts (starters), 1 yr position rentals like Cron/Schoop, a hodge/podge pen, and prospects still not showing up in quantity at the MLB level, then I will have seen enough. 2022 will be year 6 for the duo - they spent much of 2021 running thru other organizations cast-off arms. They need to show me their drafted/acquired arms are ready to perform. 6 yrs is enough time. For what its worth (probably not much).
  5. Agreed, and if we look at 2021 are just as quickly taking that staff back down the list as well as into last place in the division. Next year is make or break - either your example of Top 10 staffs and division titles is representative (and if so awesome!!), or the lower rung staff and no playoffs is where we are at. My personal view is the later as I just haven't seen this FO ability to sign quality FA pitchers. I truly hope I am wrong.
  6. They get one more year in my book and no more. Next year's moves need to be the polar opposite in performance than this year's moves. They don't get multiple years to improve after under-performing/breaking what they had previous. No one should accept a near full rebuild given where things were when they arrived (I count 1st year as the baseline of what was inherited as they could have little impact in year 1). 2022 is the litmus test and will show which was the outlier 2019 or 2021.
  7. How many times does this FO get for 'Things not going right' before it becomes 'Doing things wrong'?
  8. Nick - I like your writing and willingness to put out a very public plan, but I do not see this plan as having a 'Good' rotation in 2022. Corey Kluber, Charlie Morton, Alex Cobb, Andrew Heaney at this point in their careers are back-end starters. Same with Pineda. Taillion I would realistically put in th 3/4 range at this point. Dobnak I view more as a fill-in type bouncing between Twins/Saints. Right now I see 2 pitchers for the Twins (Ober and Ryan). I do think they could have 1 more from internal selections you listed as a back-end option at some point next yr (haven't seen any of them yet). But in order to get to 'Good' (heck even average) they are going to have to spend money or trade real assets which the FO has not been willing to do. Two of Stroman/Rodon/Gausman/Ray with our internal options might get us slightly above average next yr. If the two are more like Kluber or Duffy (who I would be fine with as 3/4) leading the charge, then the staff won't even be average. Two of those 4 are going to cost $34-40M and unfortunately the Twins have never spent that on a pitcher (let alone 2). However, if they could get 2 of those 4 (or similar) along with Maeda back in 2023, along with growth from the internal candidates, they would have the makings of a 'Good' staff by 2023 which at this point is the best case scenario.
  9. I tend to agree with you, but our trade history with the Yankees is less than stellar and usually shows the Twins on the losing end of the trade (but the Twins keep going back for more - Please sir, may I have another :))
  10. Well at least the surgery occurred now rather than try and rehab for 5+ months and then decide on the surgery (which seems to happen time and again). Should be good to go beginning 2023 and not mid 2023.
  11. Reusse podcast discussing Twins and the FO moves Reusse on words you don't want to hear about the Twins and Vikings - StarTribune.com I think Pat is spot on with his take. He has more baseball knowledge than probably anyone on this site and doesn't beat around the bush here (especially about attendance and next year's season tickets). Hard hitting and well done.
  12. You are correct - however, it seems to be much easier to get a player to sign with their existing team than come back to a team which traded them. Escobar signed for 3/21 in 2018 which I would definitely rather have at that price than Donaldson at 20M+ per (plus I believe Escobar liked playing here prior and was really good in the clubhouse). Pressley had an additional yr control and signed 2/17.5 plus an option another contract I would definitely take over the likes of Colome. Plus the fact of the matter is none of the trade assets have seen quality time w/ Twins (Alcala has been less than average and Celistino was clearly overmatched what we saw). Point is, the Twins would be better off with both of these players (w/ the FA contracts) and Gil/Ynoa than what we got out of all 4 of those trades. Had those trades never happened, 2022 would be looking a bit brighter right now.
  13. Outstanding post. I will add my additional two cents as well. In addition to poor drafting at the top (Sabato and Cavaco prime examples), we have yet to see the fruits of the Escobar and Pressley trades (which were made some time ago) and both would be useful pieces to this team now (not needed big Donaldson contract, nor Colome). Would be remiss to not also add the 2 trades that are having the biggest impact on next year's Twins (Gil for Cave and Ynoa for 1 game of Garcia). Just imagine if the duo had simply not pulled the trigger on those 2 trades that now look disasterous (would have both and spot in outfield for Wade or Baddoo). Agreed on Chargois and Reed, but Littell looks like could be a real mistake as well. Not having much of anything to show for your pitching prowness after 5yrs at the helm is pretty damning.
  14. The FO is just F****** with us now. Wasn't even on the 40 man, had to add him. Falvine are just trying to show us simpletons they are playing 3-D chess while all us clowns are playing tic-tac-toe.
  15. How we got here is not completely irrelevant as the folks who brought us to this point are now the ones being asked to correct the situation they created. I would also add that I think the folks on this site (and fanbase in general) would be able to handle the 'Tampa' like actions assuming they produced similar results (we have seen a couple of these things in the Cruz and Berrios trades). The difference between Tampa and the Twins right now is they are able to draft/sign/trade and develop young pitching which has up to this point proven difficult at best for this FO.
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