4 Possible Teams Interested in a Byron Buxton Trade

[roger]

2 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

I have put up their roster and how the players were acquired a couple different times.  They have been great at trading established players for players with minimal MLB experience that have assimilated quite well to the MLB level after being with Tampa.   They have also done a great job of what is often referred to as "dumpster diving" here.  They have also drafted pretty well.

BTW ... I did this for all of the small/mid market teams that made the playoffs.  I just assumed people who don't want to accept it simply ignore this type of information because the facts are clear.  It's also not that hard to go back and check how teams constructed rosters in successful years. 

The part that I don't know, nor I expect do a lot of other people.  That is the thought process/negotiation into accomplishing the results you speak of.  How do they select and talk the other team into parting with those players with minimal or no MLB experience who end up doing very well.  Yes, they don't always succeed, as in the Odorizzi trade.  But they seem to do very well more often than not.

[howeda7]

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I think that loses too much value in trade. If the Twins want to make an offer, do it now or trade them. Teams are likely willing to pay a lot more for that half a season while in contention and to fill an immediate need. In the offseason, teams can sign or trade for anyone on the market and the supply is more limited at the trade deadline.

That might be true with Berrios, I don't think it is with Buxton. Trying to do a deal now would be tough. I would probably like to get some current MLB pieces back, which is unlikely. I think you can get a better deal for Buxton in the offseason. Berrios is the more likely of the two to sign an extension. So either way, I don't trade either of them now. Besides we have enough other trade pieces to worry about in the next 45 days.

[Johnny Ringo]

If you trade Buxton and/or Berrios, you are entering 3-5 years of baseball nuclear winter for Minnesota. But it should be done, if the haul is big enough. Minnesota is a great place but it has major strikes (pun intended) against it in competing for free agents. Those negatives include; bad weather, high marginal state income taxes, and a long history of playoff exclusion or irrelevance. The only free agents that we get "lucky" with are veterans on the downside of their careers chasing the last dollar. Josh Donaldson raise your hand. You can not operate based upon what players want. Often, they don't even know what they want. The only way for Minnesota to compete is to develop and effectively use a strong farm system which includes restocking it through trading if the value is right (the Tampa Bay model). Everything else is folly.  

[howeda7]

1 hour ago, Platoon said:

I agree with this, but as usual there is a but! Yes try and sign him if you can, but if it’s apparent you cannot, then move him this year for the best deal offered. Reusse likely has sources we don’t. And if he doesn’t want to play here money won’t do it, he can get that anywhere. I agree, he is one of the best players in the league when healthy. But those days are so few and far between. That does mitigate his overall value, to both us, and others. 

Reusse already acknowledged that his "he's not happy here" take is only his gut. Doesn't mean he's wrong of course. The last 10 days of "rehab" have been odd at best.

[howeda7]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Ringo said:

If you trade Buxton and/or Berrios, you are entering 3-5 years of baseball nuclear winter for Minnesota. But it should be done, if the haul is big enough. Minnesota is a great place but it has major strikes (pun intended) against it in competing for free agents. Those negatives include; bad weather, high marginal state income taxes, and a long history of playoff exclusion or irrelevance. The only free agents that we get "lucky" with are veterans on the downside of their careers chasing the last dollar. Josh Donaldson raise your hand. You can not operate based upon what players want. Often, they don't even know what they want. The only way for Minnesota to compete is to develop and effectively use a strong farm system which includes restocking it through trading if the value is right (the Tampa Bay model). Everything else is folly.  

I don't fully agree. It means you to have to be willing to slightly overpay, as you won't get chosen too often if they have equal offers. And subsequently you can't afford to be wrong very often. Take 19-20 off-season.

 

We wanted Wheeler but wouldn't top the Phillies offer. We wanted MadBaum but he wouldn't come here (you're right in this case). We wanted Kuchel but let the White Sox outbid us. We end up spending it on Donaldson instead. But he certainly had other options. In hindsight, we certainly wouldh have been better off over-paying for Wheeler for Kuechel than giving Donaldson $93 million.

[AceWrigley]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

Tampa would trade him. 100%. 

It would be interesting to know what Tampa would trade Buxton for if they had him. Those guys really know how to assess player value both in terms of production and cost and build a competitive team. It's really impressive and I don't think you can really copy it effectively. Some of their trades seem misguided at first but then you see the results in the W/L column and you realize they've done it again. I hate em.

[Brock Beauchamp]

44 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

That might be true with Berrios, I don't think it is with Buxton. Trying to do a deal now would be tough. I would probably like to get some current MLB pieces back, which is unlikely. I think you can get a better deal for Buxton in the offseason. Berrios is the more likely of the two to sign an extension. So either way, I don't trade either of them now. Besides we have enough other trade pieces to worry about in the next 45 days.

Hard to say with Buxton. If he comes back and mashes for a month, I don’t think teams are going to hesitate any more than they would in the off-season.  

[Twinsrtheworst]

Tampa did it by letting Rocco go to us.

[Otto von Ballpark]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Tampa would trade him. 100%. 

Tampa may have extended him super-early though too. And maybe they wouldn't have to trade him quite yet...

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, spycake said:

Tampa may have extended him super-early though too. And maybe they wouldn't have to trade him quite yet...

But we didn't....so the question is, what now? The comment was "no self respecting team would trade him". IMO, at least one would.

[twinfan]

I would almost be willing to bet that, if Buxton does get traded, that he stays injury free for 3 straight years. And who is this Pesch character. It sounds like he cannot hit major league pitching so why would we trade for him? I'd love to see him go to the Yankees where there are no walls to crash into. But, for the Twins sake, I hope they can keep him (and Berrios) or, if necessary, trade him to the National League- but next year at the deadline if we happen to have a team like this year (doubtful).

[twinfan]

3 hours ago, roger said:

And their success is a head scratcher, at least for me.  Their payroll is what, a bit over half what we have and a fraction of the big guys.  Yet, look at the AL East, Tampa vs. the big spenders.  Don't know how they do it?  Sure hope like heck our FO would be trying to figure it out and duplicate.

Tampa has a brass that knows how to evaluate talent. And their minor league team in Durham (near me) wins the league almost every year. That is really saying something. Plus the big spenders in the East spend much time on the disabled list.

[bighat]

If you trade Buxton, you need to get sure things back. Not a bunch of loterry tickets. Blue chip, 1st round, MLB top 10 prospect type guy(s).

Anything else is inexcusable. You can't get a future All-star, then you keep Buxton and hope lightening strikes next year.

[mrtwinsfan]

Why he he not playing  NOW ? SORENESS IS THE POSSIBLE REASON ? 

[TheLeviathan]

Trading Berrios will be the much harder pill for me to swallow.  We've had so few quality pitchers developed here and I just love the kids approach.

Buxton, no matter how stirry a straw he is for the drink, is basically a part-time player.  You can't give part-time position players mega-deals.  His body isn't going to get more resilient and his best asset is going to start declining sooner than you think.  Couple that with the burned bridges we know about and let's hope he can flash for the contenders.  Moving on from his is in the best interest of this team and for the mental well being of the fans.

[cHawk]

On 6/16/2021 at 8:19 AM, gunnarthor said:

This FO is a disaster.

Why? We haven't actually seen any of the prospects that THEY have drafted yet. Because of that, we can't determine their ability to draft and develop players. Why are they a "disaster?" Seems like a massive overreaction to one bad year.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, cHawk said:

Why? We haven't actually seen any of the prospects that THEY have drafted yet. Because of that, we can't determine their ability to draft and develop players. Why are they a "disaster?" Seems like a massive overreaction to one bad year.

I agree that we don't know yet, but they do have a responsibility to develop the players already there.....because better development is part of what they need. 

[cHawk]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

I agree that we don't know yet, but they do have a responsibility to develop the players already there.....because better development is part of what they need. 

They are responsible for some of the players already on the roster, that's true. But we can't conclude anything about their ability until we see all of Duran, Balazovic, Celestino, Kirilloff, Larnach, Lewis, Jeffers, Ober, Jax, Gordon, Colina, etc.

Bottom line, the original statement that the FO is incompetent is flat out ridiculous. 

[Mike Sixel]

7 minutes ago, cHawk said:

They are responsible for some of the players already on the roster, that's true. But we can't conclude anything about their ability until we see all of Duran, Balazovic, Celestino, Kirilloff, Larnach, Lewis, Jeffers, Ober, Jax, Gordon, Colina, etc.

Bottom line, the original statement that the FO is incompetent is flat out ridiculous. 

agreed on that last part for sure.........and sure, we learn more from their acquisitions than older players....but we learn a lot about their ability to develop the players that were already there, imo. 

[h2oface]

Talk of trading Buxton makes me vomit.

[h2oface]

On 6/16/2021 at 11:19 AM, Grasslander said:

..... Well, any team in baseball could use a player of Buxton's caliber. .....

Exactly. Like the Minnesota Twins.

[gunnarthor]

7 hours ago, cHawk said:

Why? We haven't actually seen any of the prospects that THEY have drafted yet. Because of that, we can't determine their ability to draft and develop players. Why are they a "disaster?" Seems like a massive overreaction to one bad year.

Coming into this season, the Twins best hitting prospect (Kiriloff) and best pitching prospect (Balazovic) were guys picked by the prior regime. This FO has made a bunch of bad trades, failed to recognize the talent in the system, failed to build a pitching staff. They were given one of the best situations any new FO could hope to get and really didn't do anything to help. I'm really surprised how much rope some are willing to give Levine. And I'm really worried that Falvey is behind the five inning pitcher philosophy.

[cHawk]

28 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

Coming into this season, the Twins best hitting prospect (Kiriloff) and best pitching prospect (Balazovic) were guys picked by the prior regime. This FO has made a bunch of bad trades, failed to recognize the talent in the system, failed to build a pitching staff. They were given one of the best situations any new FO could hope to get and really didn't do anything to help. I'm really surprised how much rope some are willing to give Levine. And I'm really worried that Falvey is behind the five inning pitcher philosophy.

Those are areas of criticism. Quite frankly, I agree. Criticizing them and calling them incompetent are two different things with no connection whatsoever.

I can see where you’re going with Levine. As for Falvey, let’s see how the next wave of prospects does.