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    How Far Has the Twins Rotation Fallen?


    Ted Schwerzler

    Last season, the Minnesota Twins constructed one of the best starting rotations in all baseball. Derek Falvey put together a group that had top-end talent and depth to contribute throughout the season. They now appear light in both areas, but how much of a drop-off has there been?

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    When the dust settled on the 2023 Major League Baseball regular season, the Minnesota Twins had generated 16.5 fWAR from their starting rotation. That was the most in the American League, coming in ahead of the Tampa Bay Rays and trailing only the Philadelphia Phillies across the entire sport. Flipping Luis Arráez for Pablo López during the offseason rounded out a group that should have been expected to be good, and he certainly took them over the top.

    Not only was López incredibly productive during his first year with the Twins, but Sonny Gray pitched at a level that warranted Cy Young Award consideration. Joe Ryan had a stellar first half, and Bailey Ober pitched himself back into an indispensable role at the highest level. Kenta Maeda also returned and pitched well after Tommy John surgery, and Louie Varland was a key member as a rotational depth option.

    This winter, Minnesota has turned over two-fifths of that rotation. Gray and Maeda are gone, with only López, Ryan, and Ober remaining from the heavy-lifting core. Now fully healthy, Chris Paddack is expected to slide into Maeda’s role. He's hard to depend on much, having thrown just 27 1/3 innings since 2021, but he has flashed significant talent when right. Beyond Paddack, rather than add at the top, Minnesota opted for veteran Anthony DeSclafani to eat innings at the bottom of the rotation hierarchy.

    For Paddack, the expectation is pretty straightforward. His inclusion among the group should be expected to rival Maeda's a season ago. It was his arm that the Twins traded Taylor Rogers to the San Diego Padres to get, and knowing the injury risks, they still wanted to be able to unleash him eventually. Before the blowout in 2022, Paddack was Minnesota’s top starter in terms of fWAR, and ZiPS projects him to be worth 1.5 fWAR in 2024. That’s marginally better than Maeda’s 1.3 fWAR projection and precisely equal to what the new Detroit Tigers starter gave Minnesota last year.

    The plan to replace Gray’s production never needed to be a one-for-one swap, but the thought process had Minnesota acquiring a number two or three pitcher to add to the group. Someone who could slot in alongside, or ahead of, Ryan would have made sense. The Twins went as conservative as possible, though, dealing for DeSclafani in the Jorge Polanco trade.

    Pitching at age 34 this season, it shouldn’t be expected that DeSclafani will completely reinvent the wheel. The Twins need to get something better out of him, though. The last time he was a usable arm came in 2021, which not coincidentally also came with his last clean bill of health. He is projected to provide just under 100 innings and 0.9 fWAR this season. Even with some positive changes, he’s a longshot to pitch like more than fourth starter, and the limits to his abilities are capped by a lack of strikeouts and a propensity to give up the long ball.

    The Twins' rotation is projected to tally 14.5 fWAR. That’s a solid number, but it puts considerable pressure on López to be everything he was last year and more. As the unquestioned ace of the staff, it will be on the recently extended arm to dominate for a second season in a row. It wouldn’t be shocking for him to do so, but it’s a need (rather than just a hope) this time around.

    Without Gray in the picture, Ryan and Ober also need to take substantial steps forward. Ryan’s 2023 season turned ugly, as his home run problem spiraled out of control. If he can return to 2022 levels or better, then there is a path for a legitimate number-two arm based on his stuff. Ober goes from a depth piece to an integral part, but he's been consistent enough to merit that job. There isn’t much more needed from him to be what Minnesota is hoping for, but it would be unfair to assume he’s also a finished product.

    Paddack and DeSclafani are not bad options, in and of themselves. If things break correctly, the group can definitely hold serve. The problem is that having two dice rolls on the back end forces Varland, David Festa, Simeon Woods Richardson, and other prospects to dive into spots where they are immediately relied upon, rather than eased in.

    Last year, the Twins gave themselves some ability to withstand unfortunate circumstances should they arise. This time around, they are threading a needle and need to be nearly perfect. It can work, but there’s also a relatively significant probability they are left looking for answers much sooner than they had hoped.


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    Last year started with Gray, Lopez, Ryan, Mahle and Maeda with Ober and Varland in AAA. That was best starting staff/depth in my lifetime as a Twins fan.

    This year Lopez, Ober, Ryan, Paddock, and DeSclafani with Varland, SWR, Headrick is a fairly significant drop off IMO. (you could add Festa but he isn't on 40 man). 

    Still it is reminiscent of some of the staffs of playoff past, so I think with some luck and health it should be fine, but I believe the offense has to better than last year.

    How far has the Twins rotation fallen?  Not as far as most of you fear.

    Add me to those who believe Ober will be their very solid #2.  You would think his last name was Dangerfield, cause he just can't get no respect. 

    And wasn't Ryan their opening day starter a couple years ago?  

    The answer depends on how you felt about the guys who left and whether you expected them (if resigned) to be better than what is present currently. Health is always the key.

    Pablo Lopez was pretty good last year. I hope  he repeats.

    Joe Ryan had a good year but should be even better this season with experience and health.

    Ober should better than last year with more experience.

    Paddack should be good for 100-120 innings of solid pitching, enough to replace Maeda, who was good. 

    Sonny Gray cannot be replaced. Mahle was a loss due to injury. I believe that Varland can be very good.

    In summation, the starting staff clearly needs to be healthy but that is true for every team every year. I'm as bullish on the 2024 starters as I was for the 2023 ones. I also think an improved offense this year should help the pitchers.

    I think the depth we have is solid but I am very worried about the top end. We are seriously banking on Ober and Ryan being able to take a step forward. If they don't or even god forbid regress, which is well within the realm of possibility, we will be in a very bad spot.

    This is a gamble the FO seems to be fine taking and they should be judged accordingly based on the result

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other.  It will all depend on health and performance.  IMHO, this year’s staff as the season is about to commence looks about as strong as last year’s when last season was about to commence. Why?  I was expecting zilch out of Mahle, very little out of Maeda and Ober was a wild card. So we just have to see, but there is a lot to like about this year’s rotation (overall, relative to the rest of the AL, and relative to last year’s heading into the season).

    Now, if we are talking about our entire pitching staff in terms of talent and depth, I’m 100% taking this year’s over last year’s (again, comparing apples to apples - the staffs as the season began).

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    The Twins' rotation is projected to tally 14.5 fWAR. That’s a solid number, but it puts considerable pressure on López to be everything he was last year and more.

    This omits that this projection is 5th best in the entire league and 2nd best in the AL.  Current free agents project higher than everyone so this will shift a bit but let not pretend this is a discussion of the mighty falling into the abyss.  Pablo is only 4.1 of the total but that's about what we would expect an ace to account for. 

    Every projection system still says they will pitch near the top of the league, both starters and relievers.  Are there questions?  Sure.  More than anyone else?  Probably not so much.

    This is a good summary, though I hardly think Varland needs to be "eased in". I think the bullpen experience was good for him, think he should be kept as a starter even if it means starting in St Paul, and expect him to be much improved from his rookie year when called upon.

    A ton of this depends on health (shocking I know), but at least we aren't planning to run Archer/Bundy/Happ/MattyShoe out there every five days.

    As things stand today, the fWAR projection drop of only 2 seems incredibly optimistic.  The Twins SP have 1 high end starter, two middle-of-the road starters, and a whole lot of unproven pitchers and wishful thinking.  Losing Gray and Maeda was bad enough, but replacing them with nothing (Paddack is nothing until he proves it) should scare everyone.

    Let's get this straight:

    Twins losses:
    Gray
    Maeda
    Pagan
    Polanco
    Taylor

    Gains:
    Santana
    A few bullpen guys
    (DeSclafini is not a gain)

    Everything else is the same from last year.  How can anyone expect this team to be anywhere near as good as last year?

    I think the biggest factor in determining how far they fall (technically they could rise, but that's a far less likely outcome) will be how closely they can match their health from last year. Mahle went down early, but they still got 94% of their starter innings from just 6 arms while pitching the 4th most innings of any rotation. That's incredible. The year before their 6 most used arms accounted for 80% of their innings while the rotation overall threw 113 fewer innings. The final results of this rotation will come down to how deep they need to dive into their depth for real innings. My read on their moves recently is that they're preparing for fewer innings out of their rotation and more out of their pen. That could help protect the rotation and is probably the smart thing to do.

    12 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:


    Everything else is the same from last year.  How can anyone expect this team to be anywhere near as good as last year?

    But everything else is not the same as last year. Start with full years of Lewis, Wallner, Julien instead of Gallo, Solano and Gordon. That's a pretty good start.

    I realize this is a pitching thread so I'll acknowledge it is reasonable that the starters regress a bit but that's mostly due to how good they were last year, not that they will be crappy this year.

     

    1 hour ago, roger said:

    How far has the Twins rotation fallen?  Not as far as most of you fear.

    Add me to those who believe Ober will be their very solid #2.  You would think his last name was Dangerfield, cause he just can't get no respect. 

    And wasn't Ryan their opening day starter a couple years ago?  

    I also feel like people are forgetting that not only was Joe Ryan's first half of 2023 good but it was phenomenal 

    I just really really really really think they need another reliable #2-#3 starter. This rotation has very little depth, and very few reinforcements are waiting in the wings. I get the sense they think they can swing a trade near the deadline, but those are high cost and high risk. 

    I think the Twins should absolutely still get the best starter they can, but I don't think we're completely doomed. Last year at this time, the consensus was that the Twins had assembled a good crop of twos and threes but NO ace, and now we're wringing our hands about how we're going to get it done with only ONE ace. I'm definitely a bit nervous about depth.

    "Last year, the Twins gave themselves some ability to withstand unfortunate circumstances should they arise. This time around, they are threading a needle and need to be nearly perfect"  I find this statement interesting.  Last year we entered the season with Gray, who was always considered good, but may not have been cy young for a long time.  Lopez was coming off a down year.  We had Mahle who we expected to be healthy, Maeda who was coming off TJ and we had no clue what to expect, and really took half the year to be decent.  First half of season pitched 33 innings with ERA of 5.18.  Then we had Ryan, and two or three guys in minors we were hoping could step up if needed, Ober, Varland, and SWR. 

    After Mahle went down, and Maeda was injured first half, Ober stepped up be very good, and Varland filled in just fine.  SWR struggled and never got much run at MLB level.  After Maeda returned healthy Varland moved to pen.  We also brought in Keuchel for 6 starts at end of year. 

    So this year we have Lopez, with higher expectations, Ober with higher expectations, Ryan with similar expectations, a guy comming of TJ that we have no clue what will get in Paddock, similar to Maeda, and either Varland or aging vet for 5th starter.  Then we have a couple of guys in minors, either Varland, SWR, Headrick, or Festa to step up if needed.  Really, I do not see much difference in last years plans and this years plans, we have hopefully 3 proven guys, an injury bounce back, a question mark, and guys in wings that are questions.  Really, the only difference from where we were last year and this year is Mahle who we expected more from and did not get it.  I mean we were talking last year of trading Maeda and let Ober do his thing, or Maeda out of pen to start year, at least I recall people on here posting on that.  

    Just like last year, if Ober failed and Varland failed we would have been in rough shape.  We will need to go to other pitchers than top 5 some time this year, question is how much and how will they do.  They need to get a shot at some point.  If SWR, Festa, and Varland fail when they get their shot it will not be good, but same as last year really. 

    So no our rotation has not really fallen from what plan was last year. I think people are looking back at the results that worked out from last year and saying we are in trouble this year because we do not have as much depth, but our depth is basically the same.  Varland and Ober were not proven pitchers last year when they got their run.  You never get to "ease" a stater into the game if you are fighting for first place.  Only rebuilding teams have the luxury of easing guys into playing at MLB.  Sometimes you need to throw them in the deep end. 

    The comparisons from the start of each season is a fair thing to do. You cannot compare how a pitcher X did last season to how pitcher Y did this season. This season has not been played.

    Pablo Lopez was an hopeful unknown last season, but he is now looked at as a potential Cy Young Award guy.

    Joe Ryan was looked on as a solid guy and he still is. Experience should mean he is better.

    Bailey Ober was seen as someone who could be counted on  and now he is counted on.

    Louie Varland has pitched effectively but is still unproven. Sonny Gray was proven and pitched wonderfully.

    Chris Paddack closed last season looking healthy and should replace Kenta Maeda who entered last season in a similar position to where Paddack is currently.

    Anthony DeSclafani says he is 100% entering Spring Training as did Tyler Mahle last year.

    So there it is, apples to apples. Gray gives the 2023 staff a big win, Paddack/Maeda is a wash,  Lopez, Ryan, Ober are a plus for this year, and DeScla cannot be any worse than Mahle unless he too goes down for the year. Final tally is 3-1 with 2 draws in favor of the 2024 starting staff. 

    If you want to compare how each starting staff does, wait until November of this year.

     

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. 

    The Twins starting rotation was unusually healthy last year and the healthy arms all performed pretty damn good. 

    I believe we are not going to have that kind of health again and I'll be surprised if we will have that type of consistent quality performance again from the healthy so therefore... it doesn't matter if we added Corbin Burnes to the rotation... the collective will not be as good as it was last year no matter how good it looks on paper.  

    The starting rotation will fall in comparison with last year no matter what we do... the question is how much. That 3.75 ERA will be nearly impossible to replicate.    

    It is the offense that we had the chance to improve this off-season to make up the difference. You can earn a playoff spot with offense. 

    You get to the playoffs a variety of ways... Yes you can get there by pitching but you can get there with offense... It is best to have the combo but... you can get to the playoffs a variety of ways. 

    Last Years Playoff Teams were ranked (ERA): 

    #1 - Brewers - #23 OPS

    #4 - Blue Jays - #11 OPS

    #5 - Rays - #4 OPS

    #6 - Twins - #7 OPS

    #7 - Orioles - #13 OPS

    #8 - Astros - #5 OPS

    #12 - Phillies - #6 OPS

    #13 - Dodgers - #2 OPS

    #15 - Braves - #1 OPS

    #16 - Marlins - #19 OPS

    #18 - Rangers - #3 OPS

    #20 - D-Backs - #17 OPS

    The Top 7 Offenses (OPS) made the playoffs. 

    The two worst team regular season ERA's of the teams who made the playoffs are the two clubs that reached the world series. 

    Once the small sample size of playoffs hit. Only 5 teams had a playoff team ERA under 4.50 and one of those teams only played two games (Jays). 

    Phillies 2.20, Jays 2.81, Twins 3.40, D-Backs 3.49, Rangers 3.83... that is the regular season ranked teams #12, #18 and #20 included in that top 5.  

    Only 5 teams had a playoff team OPS over the Major League Average. One of those teams only played two games (Brewers). 

    Phillies .821, Rangers .792, Astros .776, Brewers .767, D-Backs .734. The D-Backs are the only team from that group that wasn't an elite hitting team going in. 

    Numbers can be presented many ways to support a point and there is always a lot more to the story. 

    This is a down and dirty way to support my point that there are many ways to reach the playoffs. In the quest to make the playoffs... Offense can get you there so my belief that the pitching staff will not be as good this year isn't a death sentence. The offense not hitting or making up the difference just might keep you out of the playoffs. 

    Is it too late to get Polanco back? 😄

     

     

     

    I'm a little confused as to the title of the post. National writers and various prediction engines (ZIPS, etc.) all predict the Twins to have a minimum of a top ten rotation. Going into last season, the Twins were not in the top half of baseball. If your starting staff this year has greater respect in predictions than the starting staff that started last year did, how does that equate to fallen? 

    Might be a good idea to wait until the year is finished before we compare 2023 to 2024.

    This is obviously a subject that bothers the author as this isn't the first time its been addressed implicitly or directly.  

    A team is made of Batters, SP, and RP.  The SP carried a massive load, especially early in the season.  Its why Sonny Grays W-L record was crap even with his excellent numbers especially for April and May.  So we can easily handle some regression if the bats show up at the beginning of the season.  As a whole the offense and the relievers look much stronger and can handle any decrease that occurs even still you have the talent to do well

    Ryan and Ober have both done very well for us the last 2 years.  Ryan tailed off last year, likely due to injury.  It will be curious if its a one off or closer to the #2 pitcher he was early last season.  Over has been a low end #2 to #3 pitcher.  If he and Ryan give us solid innings again it puts us in a very good to be successful.  

    I think Lopez will perform as well as last year,  possibly better.  He had some bad luck early and also seemed to fully buy into what the Twins were telling him and it clicked the 2nd half. 

    So you have Paddack, who has #2 ability,  Desclafani who appears to have a clean bill of health, Varland, and potentially another starter they sign to a AAA deal as additional depth, or try to run with 6 starters during the season.  Not sure what they are planning but they are still checking on starting pitching.  

    If the top 3 hold out,  I think between Paddack, Desclafani and Varland, you have high upside to fill the 4 and 5 positions.  Or they could be pumpkins or Desclafani takes the Paddack approach and only lasts a month before IL for the remainder of the year.  

    I am cautiously optimistic the starting staff is as good as last year.   However with the RP and better hitting they don't need to be.   Ready for the ball season.   

    1 hour ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    As things stand today, the fWAR projection drop of only 2 seems incredibly optimistic.  The Twins SP have 1 high end starter, two middle-of-the road starters, and a whole lot of unproven pitchers and wishful thinking.  Losing Gray and Maeda was bad enough, but replacing them with nothing (Paddack is nothing until he proves it) should scare everyone.

    Let's get this straight:

    Twins losses:
    Gray
    Maeda
    Pagan
    Polanco
    Taylor

    Gains:
    Santana
    A few bullpen guys
    (DeSclafini is not a gain)

    Everything else is the same from last year.  How can anyone expect this team to be anywhere near as good as last year?

    LOL  lets redo   

    Losses Gray (yes)  Maeda (100 innings of mediocre), Pagan, (primarily low leverage),  Polanco (good hitter for 1/2 the season but have Julien for his position blocked),  Taylor  (maybe, he is still a free agent) . . . Gallo (why didn't you mention him

    Gains

    Buxton (healthy fingers crossed),  Paddack (full season, possibly #2 or #3 stuff), Santana (upgrade over gallo),  Topa (can easily fill Pagan roll), full season of Julien, hopefully 2nd half Kepler,  and a bunch of other relievers that should be solid options at the bottom of the bullpen that we have been crossing our fingers in the past.  

    To me this season comes down to the health and performance of Duran and Lopez.  If those 2 are your workhorses,  we have enough options to fill in the other holes in the bullpen or SP.  

    Nice article. I do think that the rotation + Triple-A depth starters have slightly less injury concerns as a group this year. Even guys who have been injured in the past, like Ober, took major steps forward. Paddock is certainly a question mark. Obviously, we'd all feel more comfortable had they landed Burnes...or if there was evidence of them going after Snell or Montgomery. But there are fewer obvious problem-arms (still not sure why anyone would have penciled Mahle into a rotation last spring).

    It's also important to note that the the quality pitching lost by Gray doesn't necessarily translate to less team success. After all, the Twins largely squandered his excellent performance, going only only 14-18 in games started by him. And frankly, the loss of his arm probably puts more pressure on the bullpen than it does on any other starters. They've certainly built a strong, deep bullpen, which is reassuring and will help offset the need for quality starter innings.

    39 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    This is a down and dirty way to support my point that there are many ways to reach the playoffs. In the quest to make the playoffs... Offense can get you there so my belief that the pitching staff will not be as good this year isn't a death sentence. The offense not hitting or making up the difference just might keep you out of the playoffs. 

    Is it too late to get Polanco back? 😄

    One reason for optimism is that regression to the mean - in terms of health and performance - likely bodes as well for their offense as it does poorly for their pitching. If even one of Correa/Buxton/Lewis can post for 140+ games with good offensive production, that changes the equation dramatically.

    33 minutes ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

    LOL  lets redo   

    Losses Gray (yes)  Maeda (100 innings of mediocre), Pagan, (primarily low leverage),  Polanco (good hitter for 1/2 the season but have Julien for his position blocked),  Taylor  (maybe, he is still a free agent) . . . Gallo (why didn't you mention him

    Gains

    Buxton (healthy fingers crossed),  Paddack (full season, possibly #2 or #3 stuff), Santana (upgrade over gallo),  Topa (can easily fill Pagan roll), full season of Julien, hopefully 2nd half Kepler,  and a bunch of other relievers that should be solid options at the bottom of the bullpen that we have been crossing our fingers in the past.  

    To me this season comes down to the health and performance of Duran and Lopez.  If those 2 are your workhorses,  we have enough options to fill in the other holes in the bullpen or SP.  

    So basically your gains are Buxton (hope he is healthy), Paddack (hope he performs), Santana (hope age doesn't catch him), Topa (hope he repeats last year as he has never done that), Julien (hope he doesn't see a sophomore slump), Kepler (hope for a second half repeat)...

    Thank you for confirming what I said.

    42 minutes ago, alexlegge said:

    One reason for optimism is that regression to the mean - in terms of health and performance - likely bodes as well for their offense as it does poorly for their pitching. If even one of Correa/Buxton/Lewis can post for 140+ games with good offensive production, that changes the equation dramatically.

    Exactly.

    What I can't get out of my head is... If we get what I believe Correa, Buxton and Lewis SHOULD DO next year.

    Imagine the lineup if you add a Hoskins for example to it. For example purposes... I kept Polanco because I don't think we should have let him go. 

    Julien DH

    Lewis 3B

    Polanco 2B

    Hoskins 1B

    Buxton CF

    Kepler RF

    Correa SS

    Kirilloff LF

    Jeffers C

    Injuries? OK... We still have Wallner who can be mixed in for pretty regular playing time even if everyone stays healthy, Castro who can play every position, Farmer across the infield so they can both get regular AB's and Vazquez plus the replacements in AAA that are starting to bubble up. 

    But... If you go into the playoffs with that lineup healthy with Correa, Lewis and Buxton doing what they are capable of. That lineup will compare with what the Rangers used to bash their way to title overcoming injured so-so pitching. 

    That type of lineup can overcome a downtick from the pitching staff and I believe the downtick is coming... regardless if Desclafini is on the roster or not. 

    Wait for the season to end to make comparisons. That's a good statement. If Gray pitches to a career norm this year, he will get 125-130 innings with about a 4.00 era. That's about what we have to get out of someone to replace him this year. He was a very good pitcher last year, but its not like we need to expect to get a pitcher every year to come in and pitch to a Gray like 2023 season. Even Gray isn't likely to pitch like Gray did last season.  I think Paddack can pitch similar to what Gray is likely to do this year, with Desclafani matching Maeda last year.

    12 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    So basically your gains are Buxton (hope he is healthy), Paddack (hope he performs), Santana (hope age doesn't catch him), Topa (hope he repeats last year as he has never done that), Julien (hope he doesn't see a sophomore slump), Kepler (hope for a second half repeat)...

    Thank you for confirming what I said.

    Also looking for a better Correa, Vazquez,  and a lot more depth down on the farm. and biggest addition - addition by subtraction in no Gallo 😉.  This is a much better constructed overall team than we have had in years.  Things could still go sideways, its baseball.  

    28 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    Exactly.

    What I can't get out of my head is... If we get what I believe Correa, Buxton and Lewis SHOULD DO next year.

    Imagine the lineup if you add a Hoskins for example to it. For example purposes... I kept Polanco because I don't think we should have let him go. 

    Julien DH

    Lewis 3B

    Polanco 2B

    Hoskins 1B

    Buxton CF

    Kepler RF

    Correa SS

    Kirilloff LF

    Jeffers C

    Injuries? OK... We still have Wallner who can be mixed in for pretty regular playing time even if everyone stays healthy, Castro who can play every position, Farmer across the infield so they can both get regular AB's and Vazquez plus the replacements in AAA that are starting to bubble up. 

    But... If you go into the playoffs with that lineup healthy with Correa, Lewis and Buxton doing what they are capable of. That lineup will compare with what the Rangers used to bash their way to title overcoming injured so-so pitching. 

    That type of lineup can overcome a downtick from the pitching staff and I believe the downtick is coming... regardless if Desclafini is on the roster or not. 

    Oops Sorry... I forgot that Farmer and Vazquez are not on the roster to pay for Hoskins based on my crazy ideas.  

    So... Injuries? Wallner, Castro, Martin and Camargo. With Martin and Camargo as talents that possibly can produce league average and hopefully better or exchanged for someone else with options remaining. 

    12 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Others may be forgetting that the Twins did not trust Ryan to start G1 of the ALDS on full rest.  

    Trust is a weighty word here. 

    I also recall that they chose and prepared Ober for that game by not putting him on the roster for the Toronto series. Should we interpret the roster omission as not trusting Ober also?

    Isn’t it more likely they trusted both? If both series go the full distance they lined it up so Lopez gets 3 starts, Gray and Ryan 2 starts and Ober 1 start.

     




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