BREAKING: Twins to Acquire Right-Handed Reliever Jeff Hoffman from Blue Jays

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

We don't know what they have in Tait and Abel, and I would take Duran over those two every single time. 

That's understandable. We can disagree. 

[arby58]

3 hours ago, MMBoys93 said:

Zoll is not it lol

Waited all day and this is the trade? A reliever who has sucked for 2 years and is still owed 15 million…and traded a borderline top 100 guy for him.

 

None of these is even close to ‘borderline top 100.’ None of the three even make the Twins top 30 according to MLB.com.

[Woof Bronzer]

1 hour ago, clone52 said:

2.31 ERA for the season of you take out his two worst outings.  Strikes out of a ton of gus and not bad on walks.

What would his ERA be if you take out his two best outings?

[USAFChief]

10 minutes ago, Wedman13 said:

Go ahead and root for the jays b/c a guy from Concordia has had one decent half year for a terrible team.  I'll take Rojas every day, but enjoy your '5 years'  I'm sure Lois will be great at 34 yrs old in Toronto 

Weird. 

I read dman's post you responded to THREE times and I didnt get any of the above from it.

Maybe it's me.

[Road trip]

1 hour ago, D.C Twins said:

Well.... The Yankees called Zoll's bluff on his demands for Jeffers.... I strongly suspect something was on the table that was worth well more than a QO based on the return of the other catcher (even taking into account another year)... but Zoll overplayed his hand and thought he could get more

That's possible I suppose.  But if that's the case the Yankees have to be kicking themselves right now, because they ended the day without addressing their biggest need on the same day the Red Sox got Rutschman.  "Calling the bluff" just leaves them with no answer behind the plate. It was pretty clear the Twins were looking to buy, not sell this year.  Knowing that, the Yankees should have upped the ante if they expected to pry Jeffers away.  

Not a good deadline for NY.  My Yankee fan friends are pissed.  3rd place in the East is suddenly a very real possibility for them.

 

 

[Wedman13]

18 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

We don't know what they have in Tait and Abel, and I would take Duran over those two every single time. 

I am glad you are not the GM

[IndianaTwin]

1 hour ago, thelanges5 said:

Alex Jackson - I always think about this guy when I hear this name

Here in the real world we have Alex Jackson chasing that neon rainbow. 

[Greglw3]

1 hour ago, twinstalker said:

This is the same for Kremer and, due to salary and rental, Minter, too.  The Twins got three pretty bad players and gave up a healthy amount for that.  What they did get are guys who've pitched before.  Way, way, way too much to give up for this all.

Hill and Reyes are two of the less than 7-8 guys I wouldn't give up for anything but a great return.  Pena is probably nothing, but I wouldn't give him up as a throw-in for this kind of value.

It's a pretty ugly deadline.  Did the Twins get what they needed?  Probably not, and that answer should be an easy yes for Reyes, Hill, and Pena.

3 pretty bad players??? 

Well good grief

1-Minter came with a 2.35 ERA, which is about 2.28 now and a 1.00 WHIP.

2-Kremer has a 4.37 lifetime ERA to replace Matthews over 5 ERA and Prielipp’s close to 5 ERA.

3-These are Hoffman’s stats since the beginning of June

IP- 22.1 

H-13 

ER-3 

BB-8 

K-30

ERA-1.21

[Lefty61]

Takes some of sting from trading Varland last year, putting two trades together, Twins get Closer Hoffman, OF Roden, LHP Rojas, give up LHP Hill, RHP Klein, Inf Pena, 2 mths Ty France and now Jays Closer Varland.  Rojas and Hoffman for Varland,  win for Twins IMO

[IndianaTwin]

27 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

"A player maintains MLB rookie eligibility for the Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Award unless, in a previous season, they exceed 130 at-bats, 50 innings pitched, or 45 days on an active major league roster (excluding time on the injured list). "

 

If my math is correct they can recall Jenkins Aug 15 and retain ROY eligibility, assuming he stay through the end of the season. 

Can't confirm for some reason, but I'm pretty sure any postseason time doesn't count against him.

Personally I'd hope none of this matters in the least in any decision to add or not add Jenkins. 

 

Correct — post season time doesn’t add to days of service. 

At least some teams have been pretty upfront about preserving rookie status. A year ago, the Orioles were saying in June or July that Basallo wouldn’t be up before the mid-August date that was in play. They also waited to bring up Beavers. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

3 hours ago, Rufus said:

A genuine shot at the World Series this year?  Your kidding.  The Twins are a couple of year away from that.  They now have a genuine shot at a Wild Card. and they held onto all their top prospects, except Hill doing it.    

When you wish upon a star.... 

[DJL44]

39 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

"A player maintains MLB rookie eligibility for the Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Award unless, in a previous season, they exceed 130 at-bats, 50 innings pitched, or 45 days on an active major league roster (excluding time on the injured list). "

 

If my math is correct they can recall Jenkins Aug 15 and retain ROY eligibility, assuming he stay through the end of the season. 

Can't confirm for some reason, but I'm pretty sure any postseason time doesn't count against him.

Personally I'd hope none of this matters in the least in any decision to add or not add Jenkins. 

 

38 games x 4AB = 152AB so they also need to be careful about playing time.

ROY status makes them eligible for the prospect promotion incentive.

Neither Jenkins nor Culpepper is forcing their way up at the moment.

[saviking]

3 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

I wish we would have shaken up thr offense as well, but after today the bullpen is in much better shape. Dare I say above average again. 

My hope is Culpepper and Jenkins are called up very soon to bring more athleticism to the lineup and field. 

Don't forget we have additional by not subtracting. Ryan, Jeffers and Larnach could have all been traded away .. 

[IndianaTwin]

I’ve been on the “just tinker and do Sergio Romo for Lewin Diaz-level trades” bandwagon, so I’ve liked their three moves. Here’s why I like what they’ve done on the pitching side for 2027: 

• SP — Ryan, Lopez, Bradley, Ober, Kremer, Prielipp, Abel, Matthews.
• RP — Hoffman, Morris, Gomez, Banda, Nance, Anderson, Sands, Funderburk.
• TBD — Rojas, Festa, Paredes, Raya.

I may have missed some folks. You might categorize them differently. I’m not overly concerned on the order at this point. 

If you want to add another vet to the bullpen, fine. I’d love to see Minter show his worth and get re-upped.

And then an offense that, though perhaps it’s smoke and mirrors, is still atop the league in runs scored and only has Jeffers and Bell as free agents.

Me likey overall.

[Vanimal46]

1 minute ago, saviking said:

Don't forget we have additional by not subtracting. Ryan, Jeffers and Larnach could have all been traded away .. 

Gotta hope Joe Ryan gets the 2nd half monkey off his back. 

[saviking]

18 minutes ago, Greglw3 said:

3 pretty bad players??? 

Well good grief

1-Minter came with a 2.35 ERA, which is about 2.28 now and a 1.00 WHIP.

2-Kremer has a 4.37 lifetime ERA to replace Matthews over 5 ERA and Prielipp’s close to 5 ERA.

3-These are Hoffman’s stats since the beginning of June

IP- 22.1 

H-13 

ER-3 

BB-8 

K-30

ERA-1.21

Plus we still have Ryan, Jeffers and Larnach .. 

[IndianaTwin]

3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

38 games x 4AB = 152AB so they also need to be careful about playing time.

ROY status makes them eligible for the prospect promotion incentive.

Neither Jenkins nor Culpepper is forcing their way up at the moment.

Note that’s AT BATS, so probably a few less than 4AB/game. In the minors he’s averaged 3.75, hitting mostly at the top of the order. At that rate, he could play 34 full games. Sit him against a few tough lefties. Use him as a defensive replacement in a few others. Bat him 6th or 7th. It shouldn’t be difficult to manage.  

[Vanimal46]

6 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

I’ve been on the “just tinker and do Sergio Romo for Lewin Diaz-level trades,” so I’ve liked their three moves. Here’s why I like what they’ve done on the pitching side 2027: 

• SP — Ryan, Lopez, Bradley, Ober, Kremer, Prielipp, Abel, Matthews.
• RP — Hoffman, Morris, Gomez, Banda, Nance, Anderson, Sands, Funderburk.
• TBD — Rojas, Festa, Paredes, Raya.

I may have missed some folks. You might categorize them differently. I’m not overly concerned on the order at this point. 

If you want to add another vet to the bullpen, fine. I’d love to see Minter show his worth and get re-upped.

And then an offense that, though perhaps it’s smoke and mirrors, is still atop the league in runs scored and only has Jeffers and Bell as free agents.

Me likey overall.

Who knows. Morris could be flipped back to a starter, and Matthews or Prielipp are in the pen in 2027. The pen is the unit that needs immediate adjustments as SSS kings. I like that the bullpen acquisitions this year have playoff experience. Same with Kremer in whatever role he fills in if we're lucky enough to punch a ticket into the big dance. 

[IndianaTwin]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

Who knows. Morris could be flipped back to a starter, and Matthews or Prielipp are in the pen. The pen is the unit that needs immediate adjustments as SSS kings. I like that the bullpen acquisitions this year have playoff experience. Same with Kremer in whatever role he fills in if we're lucky enough to punch a ticket into the big dance. 

I’m cool with any of those. Main point being, that’s a lot of bodies to feel good about at this point. 

[JD-TWINS]

39 minutes ago, Wedman13 said:

Go ahead and root for the jays b/c a guy from Concordia has had one decent half year for a terrible team.  I'll take Rojas every day, but enjoy your '5 years'  I'm sure Lois will be great at 34 yrs old in Toronto 

Agreed. ……. Rojas is 23. Louie had 1 pitch and was in MiLB at age 23. Louie almost washed out at 26 going 0-6 with a 7.61 ERA.

Am glad Louie is doing well, but your point about him being 28 is well made. I’ll take Rojas at 23 every time. …….. as I say about Big Matt, if Louie was from Kenosha the guys at TD wouldn’t be so sensitive about him being traded. Everyone else is supposed to be moved at Peak Value - that was Louie last July.

[Vanimal46]

Just now, IndianaTwin said:

I’m cool with any of those. Main point being, that’s a lot of bodies to feel good about at this point. 

It's about that time for the organization to make a decision on 10 year veteran Taylor Rogers. It's been pretty rough throughout this season if we're being honest. Walks way up, can't blow anyone away with a fastball anymore, 

[Permanent Twins Fan]

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[IndianaTwin]

4 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's about that time for the organization to make a decision on 10 year veteran Taylor Rogers. It's been pretty rough throughout this season if we're being honest. Walks way up, can't blow anyone away with a fastball anymore, 

I’d be fine if they let him go, but I’m also fine with keeping him around.

He’s got 40 innings so far, so realistically, dropping him tomorrow probably only frees up 12-15 innings for someone else, less when you consider adding another pitcher to the roster in a few weeks. Having him around as one more mentor for developing pitchers may be worth as much as getting someone a dozen innings, and I suspect they don’t want to mess with the team mojo by dumping a well-regarded veteran. 

[Vanimal46]

37 minutes ago, Lefty61 said:

Takes some of sting from trading Varland last year, putting two trades together, Twins get Closer Hoffman, OF Roden, LHP Rojas, give up LHP Hill, RHP Klein, Inf Pena, 2 mths Ty France and now Jays Closer Varland.  Rojas and Hoffman for Varland,  win for Twins IMO

Sounds like putting another $100 into the E-Tablet at the bar after running out of credits. 

[thelanges5]

16 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Gotta hope Joe Ryan gets the 2nd half monkey off his back. 

Always a lot of “ifs” with this club. I’ll add a few more: if we got 2025 Kremer, if Buck comes back and hits like he did when he got those ASG votes, if the offense can get some of their RISP-iness back. 

[Vanimal46]

1 minute ago, IndianaTwin said:

I’d be fine if they let him go, but I’m also fine with keeping him around.

He’s got 40 innings so far, so realistically, dropping him tomorrow probably only frees up 12-15 innings for someone else, less when you consider adding another pitcher to the roster in a few weeks. Having him around as one more mentor for developing pitchers may be worth as much as getting someone a dozen innings, and I suspect they don’t want to mess with the team mojo by dumping a well-regarded veteran. 

Who is Trevor Rogers mentoring? The role he's playing this season has now boiled down to keeping a guy like Travis Adams around with a future. Or himself when he's running on fumes. 

[IndianaTwin]

2 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Who is Trevor Rogers mentoring? The role he's playing this season has now boiled down to keeping a guy like Travis Adams around with a future. Or himself when he's running on fumes. 

You’re right that the addition of Minter and Hoffman puts an even higher premium on roster spots. With these moves and adding Kremer to the rotation, it will be interesting to see how they manage the 26-man.

You may want to keep some of that coin from the E-tablet to have available for some St. Paul Shuttle tickets. 😀

[LA Vikes Fan]

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

So you don't have a link then?

And indeed, Go Navy! Go immediately, since it'll take you so GD long to get there.

 

Gomer Pyle is a Marine! Seriously, they made Jim Nabors an honorary Marine due to the success of Gomer Pyle, USMC. Fortunately, that was during the "don't ask, don't tell" days, if yo catch my drift ...

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Wedman13 said:

Go ahead and root for the jays b/c a guy from Concordia has had one decent half year for a terrible team.  I'll take Rojas every day, but enjoy your '5 years'  I'm sure Lois will be great at 34 yrs old in Toronto 

FYI Hoffman is 33 right now. relievers tend to last longer.  Rojas might balance the slate, but generally the team that wants something at the deadline doesn't get the kind of future value the Jays did.  It looks like it is going to work out very well for them. A win for sure. 

If the Twins still had Varland they wouldn't have needed the 33 year old Hoffman. Losing even more future assets to the Jays to replace Varland's production for only this year and next. One of the prospects we had to give up is a potential front line starter just like Rojas. I'd argue the Twins got the short end here, but we'll have to see how Hill and Rojas work out.