Blowing It Up: Twins Trade Carlos Correa Back to Houston Astros, to Save Money

[DJL44]

52 minutes ago, ihc70 said:

I love Tom Kelley.  Tom Kelly winning pct. .478.  Rocco Baldelli .521

Check again at the end of next season.

[Hubie29]

Who is Matt Mikulski?

[P Meyer]

2 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

I've been saying all yesterday and today: This is what selling looks like. 

After the Correa deal.

I take that back. 

This one shocked me. 

The only thing things getting rid of Correa benefits is Correa and the Twins ability to payoff their debt and make the sale easier. It doesn't make the team better.

[Hubie29]

49 minutes ago, TopGunn#22 said:

Bradley was a good swap for Jax.  SP.  Young.  Has shown flashes of being pretty darn good.  Who the heck will be suiting up for the Twins on Friday ????

Back to the Chris Archer, Matt Shoemaker days.  

[Hubie29]

1 minute ago, P Meyer said:

The only thing things getting rid of Correa benefits is Correa and the Twins ability to payoff their debt and make the sale easier. It doesn't make the team better.

This team was terrible with Correa. And they will be terrible without. 

[P Meyer]

1 minute ago, Hubie29 said:

This team was terrible with Correa. And they will be terrible without. 

True, but getting rid of good players rarely makes a team that lacks talent, better. Correa may have been overpaid, but he was still one of the better players on the roster. The only benefit to the Twins and the fans was that hopefully saving ownership money will help them sell the franchise.

[big dog]

2 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

This team was terrible with Correa. And they will be terrible without. 

Wait, you forgot that we get someone named Mikulski who is already in High A ball! Plus the Pohlads save a ton of money. 

[DJL44]

So, the Twins were effectively going to eat $12M for Carlos to pay for a 4th place team this year and another $32M to play for a non-contender next season as well. They only ate $33M, that's actually a really good deal for the Twins. The Astros valued him like a $25M/season player and he's been playing like a $10M/season player.

[DJL44]

9 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

Who is Matt Mikulski?

A bad lefthanded pitcher and future bar trivia question

[cHawk]

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

So, the Twins were effectively going to eat $12M for Carlos to pay for a 4th place team this year and another $32M to play for a non-contender next season as well. They only ate $33M, that's actually a really good deal for the Twins. The Astros valued him like a $25M/season player and he's been playing like a $10M/season player.

?

Houston is not a fourth place team.

And they'll contend next year too. Like alwaysn

[Lasorda_This_Out]

The Mother of All Teardowns....

[adjacent]

1 hour ago, Nashvilletwin said:

This team was good enough and deep enough to compete in ‘25.  They way underperformed.  Sure, the players are part of that, maybe mostly.   But Rocco has to be held responsible.

This fire sake could have been averted if there were enough guts to fire Rocco earlier in the season.  In fact, they could’ve fired Rocco yesterday, kept Correa and some or most of the others, and the franchise would have been better off.

It’s pretty clear Correa wanted out at this point.  The writing is on the wall.

Rocco needs to be shown the door immediately.  The rebuild starts tomorrow. And that rebuild cannot be led by Rocco.

I think with all due respect, that your point of view is a little bit simplistic. When there is uncertainty from the top, in any organization, not only in sports, everybody start to act accordingly, from Falvey to the manager to the players. Nobody really knows what is the plan. And almost everybody underperforms. Finally, Falvey must have said, well, you wanna save money?, save money and we are done with it. But this is not gonna be fixed until they sell the team.

[Hubie29]

Just now, Lasorda_This_Out said:

The Mother of All Teardowns....

Too bad we couldn't have gotten rid of Wallner and Larnach. 

[ihc70]

1 hour ago, karcherd said:

World Series Titles-TK-2  Rocco-0

Sure.  I mean we can do this all day.  Kelly seasons -14, Baldelli -6.  The response was to someone saying Ton Kelly developed great players and Rocco doesn't.  Who were your favorite development stories from 92-98?  Brad Radke?  Marty Cordova?  Ron Coomer?  I love those players, but a manager is really only as good as the tools he's given to work with.  Development should be just about done by the time a player reaches the bigs.

[twinssporto]

I'm ok with this. I never thought we were getting our money's worth. Great guy and wish him well!

[ihc70]

24 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Check again at the end of next season.

Did the Twins of '86 to '01 ever have a selloff like this?  

[DJL44]

8 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

?

Houston is not a fourth place team.

And they'll contend next year too. Like alwaysn

The Twins are a 4th place team. Paying Carlos Correa a bunch of money to play for a 4th place team has no value. The Twins were going to pay him $44M before they had a chance to be relevant again in 2027 (a completely sunk cost) and who knows if Correa will still be playable in 2027. The Astros were basically the only team who wanted him and they overpaid despite having leverage. It's actually amazing the Twins pulled this one off.

[P Meyer]

29 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

Who is Matt Mikulski?

The ham sandwich the Twins were willing to take back for him.

[USAFChief]

4 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

The Twins are a 4th place team. Paying Carlos Correa a bunch of money to play for a 4th place team has no value. The Twins were going to pay him $44M before they had a chance to be relevant again in 2027 (a completely sunk cost) and who knows if Correa will still be playable in 2027. The Astros were basically the only team who wanted him and they overpaid despite having leverage. It's actually amazing the Twins pulled this one off.

Correa had a .900 OPS as recently as last last season. 

I wouldn't write him off just yet.

And it's not like the Twins are going to reinvest the money.

Now they're paying him to play for Houston. Wonderful. 

 

[AlwaysinModeration]

23 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

A bad lefthanded pitcher and future bar trivia question

a “prospect”

[P Meyer]

7 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

The Twins are a 4th place team. Paying Carlos Correa a bunch of money to play for a 4th place team has no value. The Twins were going to pay him $44M before they had a chance to be relevant again in 2027 (a completely sunk cost) and who knows if Correa will still be playable in 2027. The Astros were basically the only team who wanted him and they overpaid despite having leverage. It's actually amazing the Twins pulled this one off.

Again...it makes sense if you are a franchise that only wants to save money and does not care about competing. The Twins lack talent...and trading one of your 5 best players does not give you a better chance to compete in the foreseeable future. They aren't going to sign FAs as talented as Correa. They didn't get back prospects that are going to be better than Correa. They just saved money to put in their own pockets. 

 

Ideally, yes, the Twins would take this savings and invest it into a variety of parts that equal more than the collective Correa whole. The problem is that they aren't going to do that.

[Hubie29]

What are we going to do with Outman? A .103 "left handed" hitting outfielder. Have him, Wallner and Larnach pick straws to see who plays?

[DJL44]

3 minutes ago, P Meyer said:

The Twins lack talent...and trading one of your 5 best players does not give you a better chance to compete in the foreseeable future.

It's a good thing they traded Correa, then. He wasn't one of their 5 best players anymore. He wasn't one of their 20 best players this season.

[lukeduke1980]

39 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

Back to the Chris Archer, Matt Shoemaker days.  

Try the Scott Klingenback days

[JD-TWINS]

3 hours ago, AceBee said:

Didn't see that coming ! Won't be surprised if he flips the switch and suddenly becomes the clutch hitter for Astros down the stretch 

Hitting .300 over his last 274 AB’s ……. no pop …..not much in clutch either (preaching to the choir) BUT he’s been OK or better on average since May 1. Playing on a winning club mixed in with Altuve & a handful of other capable bats will help the mental outlook a bunch!!

[USAFChief]

16 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

It's a good thing they traded Correa, then. He wasn't one of their 5 best players anymore. He wasn't one of their 20 best players this season.

 

. 900 OPS as recently as 2024

[chopper0080]

18 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

It's a good thing they traded Correa, then. He wasn't one of their 5 best players anymore. He wasn't one of their 20 best players this season.

Who was better? Ryan, Buxton, Duran, Jax and ?

[chopper0080]

Overpaid is not the same a bad.

[glunn]

CBS Sports says:

"You could easily argue that Carlos Correa is no longer an impact player at this point. He is having the worst season of is career, after all. The Astros did bring back their former franchise savior though, essentially taking him on as a salary dump in a trade with the Twins, who went scorched earth on the roster. Minnesota is heavily subsidizing Correa, eating $33 million of the $104 million remaining on his contract, but still, Houston is taking a lot of money and a lot of years for a player who appears to be in decline. This is risky, for sure."