Blowing It Up: Twins Trade Carlos Correa Back to Houston Astros, to Save Money

[karcherd]

So if they are going thru this fire sale is France going to be DFA'd tomorrow along with Gasper.  Why waste AB's on them if you are blowing it up.

[Craig Arko]

13 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

For everyone that has been screaming to blow up the team so the prospects can play, you are getting your wish.

No reason to keep Lopez or Ryan for next year, expect to see them moved in the offseason. I hope you enjoy your 50-win Twins next year,

I’d expect to see Lopez (and his contract) dealt in the offseason; not sure about Ryan.

[LA Vikes Fan]

Hey, we still got half an hour. I'm with you, time for France, Vasquez, and Castro to go. None of them help what is going to be a completely rebuilding. A rebuilding team with, ironically, a strong starting rotation in 2026.

[farmerguychris]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Rocco has shown zero ability to develop young players.......agreed.

Do you really think the team manager is the one who is supposed to develop individual players?  He's the one making the big decisions, not the one showing a short stop how to field a ball properly.  He certainly can't teach a pitcher how to throw a proper sinker, or add 5 MPH to a fastball.  

Its ok to not like Rocco, but need to hold him accountable for things he's actually responsible for.  There are others in the organization who are responsible for player development to be unhappy with (and rightly so), thats just not in Rocco's job description.

[karcherd]

Just now, LA VIkes Fan said:

Hey, we still got half an hour. I'm with you, time for France, Vasquez, and Castro to go. None of them help what is going to be a completely rebuilding. A rebuilding team with, ironically, a strong starting rotation in 2026.

Castro is going to the Cubs.

[LA Vikes Fan]

The beat goes on. Castro traded to the Cubs for "multiple prospects". Not sure who yet.

[Patzky]

42 minutes ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

At least we are done hearing the Correa boos on the telecasts.  Unfortunately after cleaning house we may be hearing more team boos at Target Field.

Echoes of boos

[mluebker]

1 minute ago, farmerguychris said:

They absolutely CAN afford to pay the man. 

You’re right, they can, but they won’t.
 

I have no idea how things line up today, but when Carl Pohlad bought the Twins, his personal wealth was said to be greater than George Steinbrenner’s. The difference was Steinbrenner wanted to win and Pohlad just wanted to make a profit.

So yeah, they’ll foot the bill for one superstar, as long as they keep the rest of the payroll nice and compact. But why bother if keeping him doesn’t even get you a .500 ball club or into the playoffs? Send the guy someplace he can finish his career with a winning team.

[farmerguychris]

What can we get for TC bear?  How about Target Field - can they trade that and both teams can play in CHS?  Where else can they save money - after all - thats all the matters right?

[NYCTK]

25 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Yeah I dunno about that. Sounds like the clubhouse and organization in general is toxic. If he wanted to stay he would have. But remember, we were his third option a couple years ago and we took him back like an old desperate flame. This was a predictable result. 

Yeah, the only reason Correa was a Twin was because they were the only ones dumb enough to guarantee him $200M with a broken body. 

He seems like a politicker, a shady character. 

[UK Twin]

1 hour ago, UK Twin said:

And I'm honestly waiting for the news that Ryan has been traded.

Knew it.

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

Do you really think the team manager is the one who is supposed to develop individual players?  He's the one making the big decisions, not the one showing a short stop how to field a ball properly.  He certainly can't teach a pitcher how to throw a proper sinker, or add 5 MPH to a fastball.  

Its ok to not like Rocco, but need to hold him accountable for things he's actually responsible for.  There are others in the organization who are responsible for player development to be unhappy with (and rightly so), thats just not in Rocco's job description.

I think some managers are teachers, and some are not. I do think he plays a role, yes. Is it his job alone? No, not at all. but he creates the atmosphere, he sets the lineups, he works with these guys every day. 

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

1 hour ago, farmerguychris said:

Bobby Nightengale reports deal involves other MLB players?  Who else did we send them to take on that contract?

 

50 minutes ago, CoachDW said:

The Bob Nightengale tweet stated "other major league players involved in the mega-deal". I'm sure the Twins are still looking to get rid of the Castro & Vazquez contracts. Vazquez back to the Astros?

Anyone pissed at this has good reason, but is it possible, just maybe, that the other MLB player or players in the deal are coming back to the Twins?

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, UK Twin said:

Knew it.

Seems to be a false post from mlb on fox 

[mluebker]

1 minute ago, NYCTK said:

Yeah, the only reason Correa was a Twin was because they were the only ones dumb enough to guarantee him $200M with a broken body. 

He seems like a politicker, a shady character. 

I dunno, in a free market a commodity is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. It wasn’t like no one knew he was going to be iffy—two teams had withdrawn their offers after seeing the results of his physicals. The Twins made him an offer anyway. Correa would have been a fool not to accept it.

[strumdatjag]

18 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

I can't see doing that - what did he do wrong towards the Twins?  His body just is worn down and he wants to win.  Something the owners don't care about any more compared to their pocketbook.

I was joking. 

[shimrod]

8 minutes ago, whosafraidofluigirussolo said:

is it possible, just maybe, that the other MLB player or players in the deal are coming back to the Twins?

Sure. If they are net negative values. 

[karcherd]

14 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

Do you really think the team manager is the one who is supposed to develop individual players?  He's the one making the big decisions, not the one showing a short stop how to field a ball properly.  He certainly can't teach a pitcher how to throw a proper sinker, or add 5 MPH to a fastball.  

Its ok to not like Rocco, but need to hold him accountable for things he's actually responsible for.  There are others in the organization who are responsible for player development to be unhappy with (and rightly so), thats just not in Rocco's job description.

It is absolutely on Rocco or any manager to set the tone and get the right coaches and give them the tools to develop the players.  It is also how players are used that helps develop players, by putting them in the best position to be successful.

Who do you think developed the Twins way back in the late 80's, hint it was TK.  And he was also hands on with the players.  But he made sure they were being developed and used in a manner that would give them the best chance at success.

[mluebker]

15 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

The beat goes on. Castro traded to the Cubs for "multiple prospects". Not sure who yet.

Sad. Another guy I’d have liked to see them keep.

 

[S Bart]

13 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

Thats where I think you're wrong - They absolutely CAN afford to pay the man.  They just elect not to spend the money.  BUT - they'll never spend a penny of the savings from this trade on the team.  

Well,,,,time will tell...let's see how he performs in Houston. If he fails to show productivity, it will prove that it was worth it. It is obvious that Correa wanted to move back to his home area of Houston. He could have blocked the trade if he wanted to stay in Minnesota. I don't disagree with your thought on them wanting to save money and reinvesting. It is despicable. My feelings center on the idea that he is aging and the production isn't there. Realistically. next season... hopefully, if they sell the team... will probably mean a new manager as well as new FO. That will be a building year. 2027 will probably be a strike season...so...I don't see the disadvantage of the trade....regardless of them saving money. Correa is simply not a difference maker due to his susceptibility to injury, age, and simply would not be a difference maker to making the playoffs.

[tony&rodney]

5 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Well,,,,time will tell...let's see how he performs in Houston. If he fails to show productivity, it will prove that it was worth it. It is obvious that Correa wanted to move back to his home area of Houston. He could have blocked the trade if he wanted to stay in Minnesota. I don't disagree with your thought on them wanting to save money and reinvesting. It is despicable. My feelings center on the idea that he is aging and the production isn't there. Realistically. next season... hopefully, if they sell the team... will probably mean a new manager as well as new FO. That will be a building year. 2027 will probably be a strike season...so...I don't see the disadvantage of the trade....regardless of them saving money. Correa is simply not a difference maker due to his susceptibility to injury, age, and simply would not be a difference maker to making the playoffs.

The grapes probably don't taste any good anyway.

[TwinsChupacabra]

Very happy to get rid of the cheater.  Now, please get rid of the front office and Rocco.  Rarely is there a team needing a fresh start, as the much as the Twins do. 

[UK Twin]

Jax and Varland traded now. This is ridiculous.

[TopGunn#22]

OMG !!  Falvey is burning the house down on his way out of town.  Jax just traded to Tampa Bay !!!  

[ihc70]

14 minutes ago, karcherd said:

It is absolutely on Rocco or any manager to set the tone and get the right coaches and give them the tools to develop the players.  It is also how players are used that helps develop players, by putting them in the best position to be successful.

Who do you think developed the Twins way back in the late 80's, hint it was TK.  And he was also hands on with the players.  But he made sure they were being developed and used in a manner that would give them the best chance at success.

I love Tom Kelley.  Tom Kelly winning pct. .478.  Rocco Baldelli .521

[UK Twin]

Getting Bradley in the Jax trade which I actually approve of.

[karcherd]

2 minutes ago, ihc70 said:

I love Tom Kelley.  Tom Kelly winning pct. .478.  Rocco Baldelli .521

World Series Titles-TK-2  Rocco-0

[TopGunn#22]

Bradley was a good swap for Jax.  SP.  Young.  Has shown flashes of being pretty darn good.  Who the heck will be suiting up for the Twins on Friday ????

[USAFChief]

I fully expect the day to be capped by Houston rejecting Correa's medicals and Correa to be the Twins starting SS Friday night in Cleveland. 

 

 

[Doctor Gast]

I was hoping that the Twins weren't going to tear this down because I still have faith in the core & didn't trust Falvey to trade them. But I'm not surprised because Falvey was running out of excuses, so hey, it's not my fault, it's the core. I was hoping that Falvey & Co.would be gone so the team could run correctly. Since they are still here, they aren't going to make in the playoffs so just as well blow it up, like I've said before but I'd rather someone else doing the negotiations.

How long will it take before we have a team that can compete again? Depends on how fast the crew that comes after Falvey can clean up the mess & put things back in order. IMO, it'll be a long time.