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shortround81
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Is this Peter's burner account?!?! 🤣

stringer bell
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Nice tribute by Provus for Bob Uecker. 

Schmoeman5
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I think Peter is actually Tim Laudner. The other night he used a couple lines on the post game show verbatim with several posts on the game day thread.

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4 minutes ago, Mortimerkenny21 said:

Is that a can of pringles in your pocket......or????

Not exactly what I had in mind when I said, "Ask me anything" 😳

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4 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

Not exactly what I had in mind when I said, "Ask me anything" 😳

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So with Buxton and Correa in concussion protocol, are they both on the 10-day DL?  If so, who has been added to the 26-man roster for the Brewers' series?

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26 minutes ago, Randy Griffith said:

Nope.  Just an interested fan from the middle of Iowa.  I don't subscribe to Gleeman and the Geek's patreon, so I'm trying to get information anyway I can.  Go Twins!

What shortround81 was getting at is people are asking to know the unknowable.  The "concussion protocol" is a process spelled out in excruciating detail in the collective bargaining agreement between the players and the league.  The CBA is available online at https://www.mlbplayers.com/_files/ugd/4d23dc_d6dfc2344d2042de973e37de62484da5.pdf

Here is an excerpt from it, just to give you an idea of the steps in the process.  It is simply impossible to know this soon whether either player will miss any games at all, or have to miss enough games to be put on the special 7-day injured list just for concussions, or need to go on the regular injured list.  (I was Today Years Old when i learned that players have a "baseline" neurological test done before the season, so that the medical staff has something to compare to when these situations arise during the season.)

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1. The following protocols will govern the assessment and management of concussions by each Club’s medical staff: A. All Players will undergo neurocognitive baseline testing during Spring Training or when they join a Club each season. B. If a Player is involved in an incident during a game that is associated with a high risk of concussion, the game will be stopped and the Player will be evaluated on the field for a potential concussion by a Certified Athletic Trainer (“ATC”) following the National Athletic Trainers’ Association (“NATA”) guidelines for management of sports-related concussions. C. If the ATC detects any sign and/or symptom of a concussion during an on-field evaluation, the Player will be removed from the game and brought to the clubhouse for further evaluation. i. A Sports Concussion Assessment Tool (“SCAT5”) assessment will be performed in the clubhouse by the ATC and/or the Club Physician to determine if a concussion has occurred. A copy of the SCAT5 form, which must be completed during the assessment, is attached hereto as Exhibit A. ii. If the SCAT5 assessment determines that a concussion has not occurred, serial examinations will be performed between innings for the remainder of the game. If the SCAT5 assessment determines that a concussion has occurred, the Club, in consultation with the ATC and the Club Physician, will determine if the concussed Player should be placed on an Injured List (“IL”), and if so, which one. D. If the ATC does not detect any sign and/or symptom of a concussion during the on-field evaluation, the Player may remain in the game, but serial examinations should be performed between innings for the remainder of the game. Any change in the Player’s neurological status will result in immediate removal from the game and further evaluation in the clubhouse. 2. The Parties will establish a 7-day Injured List (“IL”) solely for the placement of Players who suffer a concussion. The following protocols will govern the placement of a concussed Player on the 7-day IL: A. Players are eligible for the 7-day IL only if they suffer an acute concussion. B. The occurrence of the injury, including all of the relevant details, must be documented through an Event Form in the Electronic Medical Records System. C. In lieu of a Standard Form of Diagnosis, which is required to place a Player on the IL under Article XIII(C) of the Basic Agreement, the ATC and the Club Physician will prepare and submit simultaneously to the Office of the Commissioner and the Players Association a concussion-specific diagnostic form that includes the following information: (i) the date and mechanism of the injury; (ii) the signs and symptoms of impairment; (iii) confirmation that a SCAT5 assessment was performed by an ATC and/or a Club Physician, and that the assessment indicated a concussion had occurred; and (iv) the basis for diagnosis of a concussion. Copies of the concussionspecific diagnostic forms for 7-day and 10-day or 15-day IL placements are attached hereto as Exhibits B and C, respectively. D. The concussion-specific diagnostic form and any supporting information (including, but not limited to, the completed SCAT5 form) must be submitted to 7dayIL@mlb.com, before the Player may be placed on the 7-day IL. MLB’s Medical Director will review the information as soon as it is received, and inform the Commissioner’s Office if the 7-day IL placement is approved. The Commissioner’s Office will then simultaneously inform the Players Association and the Club of the approval and enter the 7-day IL placement into eBis. If the Medical Director or the MLBPA expert questions whether the Player qualifies for the 7-day IL, they shall consult with each other as well as one of the outside experts on the Committee prior to making his decision. In the event the Medical Director and the MLBPA expert are unable to agree on the approval of the 7-day IL placement, they shall refer the matter to an independent expert selected by the Parties, who will determine in his sole discretion whether the placement should be approved. E. Except for rehabilitation assignments as described in Paragraph 2(F) below, a Player placed on the 7-day IL will be treated the same as a Player placed on the 10-day or 15-day IL for all purposes, including roster limits, transfers to the 60- day IL, etc. If a concussed Player is not able to return to play in seven days, the Player may be recertified for a subsequent placement on the 7-day IL. F. A concussed Player on the 7-day IL who has been cleared to return to play may then consent to an assignment to a Minor League affiliate of his Club under the terms of Article XIX(C)(3), except that such assignment shall not exceed five (5) days for non-pitchers and eight (8) days for pitchers, unless the Player is not able to return to play within 14 days of the initial 7-day placement, in which case the maximum periods shall be 20 and 30 days, respectively. 3. If the Club, in consultation with the ATC and the Club Physician, decides to place a Player on the 10-day, 15-day, or 60-day IL for a concussion, the Club must prepare and submit simultaneously to the Office of the Commissioner and the Players Association the concussion-specific diagnostic form rather than the Standard Form of Diagnosis that is required under Article XIII(C) of the Basic Agreement. However, a Club may place a Player on the 10-day, 15-day, or 60-day IL for a concussion without the prior approval of the Commissioner’s Office that is required for placement on the 7-day IL. 4. Before any Player that has suffered a concussion is permitted to return to play in any game, regardless of whether the Player was previously placed on an IL for such injury, the Club must submit a “Return to Play” form and the supporting certifications and document referenced below, to MLB’s Medical Director and the Players Association, and the Players Association must confirm receipt in writing (which it will do promptly). The Return to Play Form, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit D, must contain the following certifications by the Club Physician and the ATC: (i) all symptoms have resolved; (ii) ImPACT testing has returned to range of baseline; (iii) the Player experienced no symptoms with exertion and baseball-related activities; (iv) the SCAT5 is within normal limits; and (v) the Club Physician has cleared the Player to participate in baseball activities. The Return to Play form must also be accompanied by the documentation supporting these certifications, including, but not limited to, copies of all ImPACT and SCAT5 tests (including the SCAT5 from the time of injury), the current neurocognitive test score, the baseline neurocognitive test scores, and any reports by the Club Physician and the ATC. 5. If the Medical Director or the MLBPA expert questions whether the Player should be returned to play, they shall consult with each other as well as one of the outside experts on the Committee prior to making a decision. In addition, the Medical Director may direct the Club to have the Player evaluated by an MLB-approved MTBI specialist in the Club’s home city before the Player is permitted to return to play. In the event the Medical Director and the MLBPA expert are unable to agree on the Player’s return to play, they shall refer the matter to an independent expert selected by the Parties, who will determine in his sole discretion whether the Player should return to play. 6. The Commissioner’s Office will conduct an orientation for Club medical staffs regarding the protocols described herein, and will arrange training and education sessions for Club personnel throughout the course of the season and during the off-season, in which Players Association officials may participate. Club personnel will also be advised of concussion-related continuing education sessions conducted by the NATA and other national organizations. Finally, the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association will jointly create and distribute educational materials for Players on the assessment and management of concussions, including a Concussion Information Sheet and a joint memorandum. 7. This agreement shall constitute an “agreement” within the meaning of Article XI(A)(1)(a) of the Basic Agreement. In the event a Grievance is filed pursuant to Article XI of the Basic Agreement alleging non-compliance with the terms of this agreement, the Club, the Player involved, the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association will cooperate in scheduling the handling of such Grievance so that it may be submitted to arbitration on an expedited basis, consistent with the procedures in Article XI governing grievances involving Player safety and health. 8. The Parties will mutually agree upon a report to be compiled annually by the epidemiologist that will provide a summary of concussion activity for the preceding season, including the number of events, the circumstances attendant thereto, and the results of any treatment programs. Within 30 days of the issuance of the report, the Parties shall meet to discuss the report’s contents and to review the functioning of the protocols and procedures established by this agreement.

That's just the summary; you can go to the CBA to see the full details and forms that must be filled out. Do you think anyone in the organization from Derek Falvey on down is going to be able to tell us how this is going to play out?

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8 minutes ago, ashbury said:

What shortround81 was getting at is people are asking to know the unknowable.  The "concussion protocol" is a process spelled out in excruciating detail in the collective bargaining agreement between the players and the league.  The CBA is available online at https://www.mlbplayers.com/_files/ugd/4d23dc_d6dfc2344d2042de973e37de62484da5.pdf

Here is an excerpt from it, just to give you an idea of the steps in the process.  It is simply impossible to know this soon whether either player will miss any games at all, or have to miss enough games to be put on the special 7-day injured list just for concussions, or need to go on the regular injured list.  (I was Today Years Old when i learned that players have a "baseline" neurological test done before the season, so that the medical staff has something to compare to when these situations arise during the season.)

That's just the summary; you can go to the CBA to see the full details and forms that must be filled out. Do you think anyone in the organization from Derek Falvey on down is going to be able to tell us how this is going to play out?

Whether it was a bit or sincere curiosity, there was incessant questioning of the TD forum for any sort-of update on Correa & Buxton. Unless someone from the Twins FO pulls a Pete Hegseth on us, we're not going to get that info any sooner than anybody else.

That being said, I understand and appreciate your concern

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Any updates on Buxton and Correa? I've been looking for something all morning and haven't seen any news, other than what was reported yesterday. That they're in the protocol. 

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43 minutes ago, CRF said:

Any updates on Buxton and Correa? I've been looking for something all morning and haven't seen any news, other than what was reported yesterday. That they're in the protocol. 

Refresh refresh refresh dammit no news is good news?

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49 minutes ago, CRF said:

Any updates on Buxton and Correa? I've been looking for something all morning and haven't seen any news, other than what was reported yesterday. That they're in the protocol. 

I’m 95% sure I’m standing in front of Derek Falvey in the checkout line at Costco. Want me to ask him?

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25 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

We need someone stalking the hotel lobby in Milwaukee. Are Correa and Buxton there? Are they walking? Talking? 

Would they even have flown if concussed? Maybe they're hanging with the Orioles.

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7 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

"Derek Falvey is a Kirkland brand Andy McPhail"

**ducks behind a gallon jar of mayo**

After getting home and looking at his picture, I’m beefing it up to 99.5% probability it was him. There were other signs… Like his son and what I assume are either his parents or in-laws decked out in Twins gear. 

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9 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

After getting home and looking at his picture, I’m beefing it up to 99.5% probability it was him. There were other signs… Like his son and what I assume are either his parents or in-laws decked out in Twins gear. 

Daaaang! Maybe he was stocking up on Sheboygan sausages for the "Molly Cup" or whatever it's being called now

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The Twins have the Guardians on Monday. Putting Buxton or Correa on that 7 day IL would result in missing the entire series. If the Twins think they could be available they will have to get by on a short roster for the Brewers series. Concussions are really difficult to diagnose the return so they can either gamble forfeiting them for the Guardians to add reinforcements today or gamble that they will be available by Monday.

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The lineup is posted for today. No Buxton, Correa, or Bader. 

Good thing Kiersey and Clemens are learning to hit home runs. We might need continued production from the bottom of the 9. 

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