Let’s Make a Deal: Twins Can Hook Another Fish in Jesús Luzardo

[tony&rodney]

The Marlins may ask for EmRod or Jenkins or Lee or Festa or some combination with one or more of those guys plus others from Minnesota for Luzardo, but there is a very close to zero chance that happens. 

The Twins need dynamic position players far more than they need pitching. If any of the Twins top position prospects have a chance to be above average major league players, Falvey should not consider trading them. I guess I am specifically referring to EmRod, Lee, and Jenkins with Keaschall in the background. 

This means we can forget about Luzardo unless Miami decides that lesser prospects bundled are worth gathering for their future.

[nicksaviking]

10 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

You could get three Jose Mirandas for one Brooks Lee. Maybe even a 6 pack.

No, fans tend to value the prospects more than teams do and teams value controllable MLB contributors more than fans do.

[DJL44]

If the Twins trade for Luzardo that will probably remove Woods Richardson from the rotation and he's been one of the best starting pitchers on the team. I don't see them trading for pitching unless someone has a severe injury.

[chpettit19]

I'd start my trade pitch with Julien and go from there. If they aren't ready to start letting Raya go deeper into games soon he'd be the next guy on my offer. If they don't want Julien I'd flip to Lee and try to build a package around him. But SP isn't where I'd be focusing my player acquisition energies at this point. This team needs offense more than it needs pitching. If they're pulling off a big trade it should be for an everyday, heart-of-the-order bat, not a SP. It's not that I wouldn't like Luzardo, but I don't think that should be their focus if they're spending significant player capital in a trade.

[nicksaviking]

I was looking to move the lower ceiling, but still exciting Lee for Miami pitching this past off season, I'm still on board.

Maybe you'd still need to, but Festa is the guy I'd look to flip now at what is possibly peak value. I know he's been great, but I don't feel confident in the Twins fixing a starting pitcher with command issues. I don't think this front office has ever done that. Miami has done well with these types of pitchers however.

[old nurse]

What has Miami done in the past? Except for when Ng made trades the team takes as many prospects as they can . That would about 4. Most would be off the AA roster, none would be in the top 10 of a prospect list. Think something like Rosario, Shoebel, Mathew’s and a low level prospect. 

[saviking]

A fair trade: 

E-Rod and Raya for Luzardo. 

I'm not saying I would do it, but that is probably what it would take to get it done.

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, Eris said:

Have the Twins won a series against a team with a winning record this year. I don’t think so. They are several position players away from being a playoff caliber team. Maybe internally some players will step up like last year. As currently constructed the team is more than one starting pitcher away from winning a playoff series and therefore I would be hesitant to make a deadline trade for a starting pitcher. 

Yes. They've beaten the Royals in 2 series. They've taken series' from other teams who were over .500 at the time as well, like the Red Sox (now .500). Side note, winning a lot series' against opponents over .500 isn't all that common.

Falvey won't be hesitant since the front office will be swept out end of year if the Twins fail to make the playoffs.

[farmerguychris]

I'd love to get Luzardo on our squad, but can't imagine giving up Jenkins, Rodriguez, or Lee because he's only going to be a rental player for us.  I simply can't see ownership doing a fast about face and allowing us to spend the kind of money he'd require to be with us for multiple years.  Sure we'd get 2.5 years out of him for the moment, but if we traded any of the above 3 names, I'd want him for longer.

[DJL44]

I would trade both Festa and Raya to get a quality starting pitcher with multiple years of team control. The pitcher with the most helium is Zebby Mathews, I'm sure teams would ask for him.

[LambchoP]

I say go for it. Twins could really use a solid lefty atop our rotation with Lopez and Ryan. Couple ideas...

Wallner or Larnach. Julien and Raya

 

Julien, Gonzalez, Raya or Festa

 

Gonzales, Raya or Festa and varland

[mickster]

2 hours ago, MinnInPa said:

knock it off ..Lee is not going anywhere. He is possibly a Face of the Franchise type player..and will be up in the Bigs this summer

I hope you are right and I am wrong, but I don't see Lee as "that guy"  I would much prefer he be packaged along with Wallner and Varland for Luzardo

[gman]

Assume Lee is second base, then package Julian, Gonzalez and Keaschall or Wallner or both. Miami has been hunting hitting and they don't particularly need anyone this year.

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, gman said:

Assume Lee is second base, then package Julian, Gonzalez and Keaschall or Wallner or both. Miami has been hunting hitting and they don't particularly need anyone this year.

I mean, I'd consider this for sure, but I'm 100x more confident Julien will hit than Lee will......and I'm a Lee fan. It's so hard to know what he'll do, IMO.

[Doctor Gast]

Besides the good pitching they already have, they have Weathers, Myers & Munoz ready to take that next step. I'd love we went full in & traded for both Lopez & Luzardo at the time. Nevertheless Luzardo would be a great fit in MN. Luzardo is LH & good friend of Lopez from Venezuela. Gonzales should be on top of the list with maybe Festa (2 of our top 5) 2 of our top SS prospects in Schobel & De Andrade. MIA would want a good catching prospect but we don't have any really (we can still throw one in anyway). This would be a good trade if MIA likes it. In any case they need to check to see if Luzardo's arm is OK before pulling the trigger.

It appears MIA wants only prospects but if they would take a young player that could be figured in.

[Jocko87]

4 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

No, fans tend to value the prospects more than teams do and teams value controllable MLB contributors more than fans do.

Agreed, so glad many of the posters are unable the actually pull trade levers.  I was just highlighting the ridiculous assertion that Jose Miranda has more trade value than Brooks Lee.  

The Marlins aren't looking for a player for now anyway.  I think we would be delighted with the actual price, until 5 years from now when the guy we sends gets a cup of coffee and we get an article bemoaning a standard transaction nobody remembers. 

[jorgenswest]

Reports are the Orioles are interested. If they are interested they have the prospect capital that will make it necessary for Jenkins to be part of any Twins offer. 

[Mike Sixel]

22 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Reports are the Orioles are interested. If they are interested they have the prospect capital that will make it necessary for Jenkins to be part of any Twins offer. 

I mean, like when the Mariners traded for Castillo, if the O's want him, the Twins shouldn't play. 

[jorgenswest]

9 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I mean, like when the Mariners traded for Castillo, if the O's want him, the Twins shouldn't play. 

The Twins can play. It is in their interest to force the Orioles to part with a load of talent. 

[KP34Forever]

12 hours ago, Eris said:

Have the Twins won a series against a team with a winning record this year. I don’t think so. They are several position players away from being a playoff caliber team. Maybe internally some players will step up like last year. As currently constructed the team is more than one starting pitcher away from winning a playoff series and therefore I would be hesitant to make a deadline trade for a starting pitcher. 

Yes. Yes they have... Good Lord I'm glad I don't see the world through whatever lenses you're seeing it through, because that take is not based on reality and rather depressing...

[DocBauer]

I could be talked in to this. Miami is going to want bats back, and probably a quality arm to balance the loss of Luzardo. 

My guess is they want 25yo and younger with control and that would leave AK and Larnach out of the mix. I can see them interested in Wallner, Rosario, Keaschall, and Gonzalez with an arm like Raya or Morris as part of the deal, possibly Culpepper. I'm not sure who the Marlins have at 3B, so they might be interested in Miranda? 

I know this sounds wrong to many, and Luzardo has the potential to take another step and be very, very good. But the Twins rotation is not really an issue right now. And by this time next season we're talking about Festa, Headrick...who still might end up a very good pen lefty...Matthews and Morris and possibly Lewis...after a slow start this year...all at AAA and just waiting for opportunity. 

Luzardo would be a great get. But I'd say no to Jenkins or Rodriguez. And I have a really tough time including either of Lee or Julien. But Keaschall and Gonzalez are both in the Twins top 10-12. Wallner oozes potential as a big thumper with the standard BB/K mix you just kind of expect. Rosario offers big RH thump as well. We're not talking a collection of nobody's. Just not anyone in the top 5-7. I think that's a very fair place to be starting. Doesn't mean someone won't go bigger to get him though. 

[jud6312]

On 6/4/2024 at 7:59 AM, Ryan_K said:

I say this as a former MN and now Miamian. Luzardo is healthy and good, look at his last 10 starts and is controllable for 2.5 years, the offer must exceed the Cease and Berrios trades.

I'd ask for Jenkins, if that's a no then I ask Lee and EROD, I could swap that for Lee  plus festa + raya plus soto, Also if there is anything MN would be open to moving Royce I'd love to hear --Marlins would love him, we miss Arraez. Also want Austin Martin as a throw in

So Lee, Festa, Raya, Soto, and Martin?

I'm sure the Marlins would love that, but this FO would need to be dismissed if they traded five of their top 15 prospects for a guy who's had two good seasons.

[Craig Arko]

I could probably be sucked into an overpay for this. Damn lucky I’m not a GM.

[Ryan_K]

well my offer may seem steep, but if you aren't trading your best prospect you need quantity and even then it's usually 1 top 100 per year add in LHP and you get him for 3 playoff runs it's 3 top 100s, if you'd rather have Cleveland and KC take the division while this core is still young it's the teams choice