Game Thread: Twins @ Brewers, 7/27/22, 1:10PM CDT (11:10AM PDT)

[wavedog]

Should have Sano hit for Buxton - no need for Buxton to play any  more this game.  

[RickOShea]

The sound on my tv went out this week-end.  I saw Kaat standing in front of a podium.  giving the Twins pitching issues, I thought he was announcing his un-retirement and re=signing with the Twins.  My wife walked by, and said " Oh' there's Jim Kaat doing his HOF acceptance speech"  I slumped into my chair, pretending I was asleep.

[LVTwinsfan]

ROY

[cHawk]

3 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I mean, yeah I’m sure you could find that many people who throw pitches. Highly doubtful you’re going to find that many above average arms. How many teams are still alive? 20? Lots of buyers 

Oh, I’m sure you can find that many above average arms. Maeda will be one of them, he’s expected to return prior to the postseason.

[Battle ur tail off]

3 minutes ago, PopRiveter said:

You are entitled to your own opinion and you choose pretty safe ground when you continually call any player cooked, because you'll eventually be right with every player. 

I personally saw a lot more potential upside in Archer's pitching a few week's ago than I've seen in any other member of this rotation. The strategy seemed to be slowly build him up in hopes that he can be a reliable starter by the time the playoffs arrive. If they prove unable get Archer back on track, I personally don't see much hope for this team.

I mean, maybe Joe Ryan can start every game of a playoff series. 

What is safe about it?

I don't called everyone cooked, just the 2 reclamation project dumpster dives that are in our rotation. To get what we got from them(half a season) without them totally blowing up(like they are now) should be considered a success. But if they were in a position to or wanted to compete, the FO had to know before the season started these guys would need replacing at some point. 

[PopRiveter]

10 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

SSS

Look at his ball and strike percentage. I don't know what it was but, my guess, still not good. This is why watching the game and not just a clipboard still has merit.  

Archers Strike percentage this year is 59.9%

For comparison Corbin Burnes strike percentage is 62.9%

[insagt1]

Is there a way the Twins can just concede? On a day when Arraez strikes out twice and Twins are throwing batting practice...when they aren't walking the ballpark....this 'battle of division leaders' is a massacre. This game showcases everything thats wrong with the team. They don't have starting pitching...and the gassed bullpen is just a mess too.

That 4th inning was tough to watch. And it didn't get better. Our hitters look silly. Its just flat out a horrible baseball game. they really needed to win last night.

The Front Office had better be burning up the wires in search of a boatload of arms. Kepler is hurt; Larnach is hurt...two trade chips that might not be real tradable. Sano is as good as gone. He is just a spare part.

Anyway...raise the white flag before Milwaukee scores 20 today.

[KirbyDome89]

9 minutes ago, PopRiveter said:

In June, he contributed 27 innings with a 1.67 ERA and held opponents to a .156 batting average

Then, he hit the IL and he's now pitched just twice since. 

So yes. It is absolutely disingenuous to characterize today's season-low 3 IP, season high 6 BB, season high 6 ER outing as what he does "most days."

 

He started June with a 5.19 FIP and ended the month at 4.90. If you want to argue semantics, then you win. Let's ignore his unsustainable numbers, control that suddenly disappears, or the fact that he's forcing an already undermanned bullpen to consistently carry 5+ innings.

 

[cHawk]

This ******** is damn near unwatchable.

[LVTwinsfan]

2 minutes ago, PopRiveter said:

Archers Strike percentage this year is 59.9%

For comparison Corbin Burnes strike percentage is 62.9%

That is virtually the same 

[umterp23]

141 pitches by 3 Twins to get through 5 innings.  Burns by himself throws 102.  Must be nice to have a guy give you some length

[wavedog]

We are down 10-3 - throw bleeping strikes

[adorduan]

8 minutes ago, cHawk said:

Oh, I’m sure you can find that many above average arms. Maeda will be one of them, he’s expected to return prior to the postseason.

wont matter if we don't make the postseason.

[cHawk]

Just now, adorduan said:

wont matter if we don't make the postseason.

Oh we will

[Aggies7]

15 minutes ago, cHawk said:

Oh we will

Not sure about that man. Problem is our pitching is so bad that we’re almost guaranteed to NOT go on a big winning streak (think greater than 5 games). Haven’t really done it all year. All it will take is one of the other teams to get hot and we’ll be overtaken. Remember Cleveland had us down to one game lead

[PDX Twin]

I guess I missed all the "excitement." Left after the third inning to take a wounded opossum from our garden to the Audubon rescue. It was a much closer game when I left than when I returned...

[KirbyDome89]

11 minutes ago, PopRiveter said:

You are entitled to your own opinion and you choose pretty safe ground when you continually call any player cooked, because you'll eventually be right with every player. 

I personally saw a lot more potential upside in Archer's pitching a few week's ago than I've seen in any other member of this rotation. The strategy seemed to be slowly build him up in hopes that he can be a reliable starter by the time the playoffs arrive. If they prove unable get Archer back on track, I personally don't see much hope for this team.

August starts next week. What you see is what you get with him; 4ish innings and a roll of the dice as to how effective those innings will be. 

[Mortimerkenny21]

Finally get to watch a game because I don't have BSN and it's just garbage! Dangit anyways! Oh and nice solo HR Garlick!

[wavedog]

Great for us!  Milwaukee has brought in their version of Cotton

[PopRiveter]

1 minute ago, Mortimerkenny21 said:

Finally get to watch a game because I don't have BSN and it's just garbage! Dangit anyways! Oh and nice solo HR Garlick!

I'm right there with you. Can't believe I was looking forward to this.

[KirbyDome89]

3 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Not sure about that man. Problem is our pitching is so bad that we’re almost guaranteed to go on a big winning streak (think greater than 5 games). Haven’t really done it all year. All it will take is one of the other teams to get hot and we’ll be overtaken. Remember Cleveland had us down to one game lead

CLE and CHI have their own dumpster fires to put out as well. CLE had the division lead not that long ago, and they immediately gave it up to this Twins team treading water. If we have to be concerned, I'd give the edge to CHI, but I don't see them getting out of their own way. This is the Twins division to lose, and they're certainly capable of doing so. I just don't see another team getting hot and rolling them. 

[Vanimal46]

McGee gave Caleb Hamilton a peace offering - a middle middle 94 MPH FB to get his 1st MLB hit. You can’t swing and miss that, my man. 

[PDX Twin]

3 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

CLE and CHI have their own dumpster fires to put out as well. CLE had the division lead not that long ago, and they immediately gave it up to this Twins team treading water. If we have to be concerned, I'd give the edge to CHI, but I don't see them getting out of their own way. This is the Twins division to lose, and they're certainly capable of doing so. I just don't see another team getting hot and rolling them. 

Yes, the Twins may quite possibly win this division, but so what? Much of the time, they are unwatchable and downright depressing to follow. It's even more frustrating when they are a first-place team threatening to extend their post-season humiliation. We can laugh at a bad team, but this team has a lot of talent and could actually be good if it had a pitching staff. But the system does not seem able to develop young pitchers without injuring them chronically. I'd be interested to know how the Twins' minor-league pitching development differs from more successful teams. (Chase Petty might have improved his career prospects markedly.)

[rwilfong86]

23 minutes ago, cHawk said:

Oh we will

I wish I had your faith!

[AceWrigley]

22 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

I guess I missed all the "excitement." Left after the third inning to take a wounded opossum from our garden to the Audubon rescue. It was a much closer game when I left than when I returned...

I wonder if he can throw strikes.

[AceWrigley]

Megill gets through an inning with 10 pitches. I guess he didn't get the memo.

[LVTwinsfan]

ROY

[umterp23]

Miranda showing Sano, you no longer are needed. Back to back 3 hit games

[KirbyDome89]

4 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

Yes, the Twins may quite possibly win this division, but so what? Much of the time, they are unwatchable and downright depressing to follow. It's even more frustrating when they are a first-place team threatening to extend their post-season humiliation. We can laugh at a bad team, but this team has a lot of talent and could actually be good if it had a pitching staff. But the system does not seem able to develop young pitchers without injuring them chronically. I'd be interested to know how the Twins' minor-league pitching development differs from more successful teams. (Chase Petty might have improved his career prospects markedly.)

You'd rather they were Detroit? I just don't get this take. Sure, be annoyed with some obvious and brutal flaws, but I'd rather watch them in October than slog through another meaningless September.

[srjr19]

4 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

Yes, the Twins may quite possibly win this division, but so what? Much of the time, they are unwatchable and downright depressing to follow. It's even more frustrating when they are a first-place team threatening to extend their post-season humiliation. We can laugh at a bad team, but this team has a lot of talent and could actually be good if it had a pitching staff. But the system does not seem able to develop young pitchers without injuring them chronically. I'd be interested to know how the Twins' minor-league pitching development differs from more successful teams. (Chase Petty might have improved his career prospects markedly.)

I completely agree with that.  Which is why I think the Twins should give up whatever they have to in order to get Montas or Castillo or both at the deadline.  Given that they were both developed by other organizations, they would immediately become the best starters the Twins have.  If they're not willing to do that, they might as well sell at the deadline because they're not going anywhere.