Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 On Tuesday night, Minnesota Twins Manager Paul Molitor was named the 2017 American League Manager of the Year. Cleveland's Terry Francona and Houston's AJ Hinch, who each led their teams to 100-win seasons, were the other finalists. However, it was Molitor leading the Twins from 103 losses in 2016 to the playoffs in 2017, the first team in MLB history to accomplish that feat.Paul Molitor received 18 of the 30 first-place votes for the Manager of the Year award including that of Twin Cities media member Pat Borzi. Star Tribune's Phil Miller voted for Terry Francona, who received 11 first-place votes. Molitor becomes the Twins third AL Manager of the Year, joining Ron Gardenhire in 2010 and Tom Kelly in 1991. Molitor also becomes just the second Hall of Fame player to win Manager of the Year. Molitor was re-signed to a three-year contract extension that could keep him at the helm of the Twins through the 2020 season. Click here to view the article Dozier's Glorious Hair, Jerr, Danchat and 2 others 5
Dman Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Personally I am not surprised. I don't think any manger has taken a team from worst in baseball to the playoffs in one year. He had a lot of challenges this year and he held the team together. The award is well deserved IMO. Congrats to Paul! DocBauer, Dozier's Glorious Hair, hugelycat and 3 others 6
ashbury Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 It is always difficult to rate managers, but I like this choice. His disciplined management of the bullpen in the early weeks possibly made the difference in several wins. DocBauer, MN_ExPat and Dozier's Glorious Hair 3
MileHighTwinsFan Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats Molly! Phil Miller has some 'splaining to do. caninatl04 1
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Congrats Molly! Phil Miller has some 'splaining to do.What happened with Phil Miller? Oh, you mean for not voting for him? Shouldn't Miller vote for who he objectively thinks should win, not the hometown guy? Edited November 15, 2017 by Mr. Brooks Steve Lein, Thrylos, Platoon and 2 others 5
AlwaysinModeration Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 The Twin Cities have two of the 30 votes for this award? Congratulations, Paul. Can you please lead the team to another 26 game improvement? Or better yet, another 44% improvement? MN_ExPat, spinowner, Dozier's Glorious Hair and 3 others 6
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Congrats, but he was not worth it. Unless someone wants to give him a pass for the 103 Loss team that he also led. Net change from 2015 = 2 games. That a MoY should does not make. If anything, he deserved it more in 2015. And if someone thinks that the 103 losses in 2016 was because of the front office only, that someone should be asking for Antony's (the GM for half the season) head. Edited November 15, 2017 by Thrylos h2oface, REPETE and spinowner 3
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats, but he was not worth it. Unless someone wants to give him a pass for the 103 Loss team that he also led. Net change from 2015 = 2 games. That a MoY should does not make. If anything, he deserved it more in 2015. And if someone thinks that the 103 losses in 2016 was because of the front office only, that someone should be asking for Antony's (the GM for half the season) head.It's manager of the year, not manager of two years. So last year shouldn't even be considered, IMO.And that goes both ways, he shouldn't get bumped for the improvement, or dinged for the drop off. It should be results vs. talent viewing only this years roster and results. I have no idea who should win under those parameters.
jimmer Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Been saying it for awhile: Molitor will win AL MOY. BAM!!!!! Well deserved!!!! Circus Boy, Jerr, MN_ExPat and 2 others 5
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 It's manager of the year, not manager of two years. So last year shouldn't even be considered, IMO.And that goes both ways, he shouldn't get bumped for the improvement, or dinged for the drop off. It should be results vs. talent viewing only this years roster and results.I have no idea who should win under those parameters. The one who took an 84 win team to 101 wins. spinowner and Platoon 2
spinowner Provisional Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 I disagree with the choice but offer sincere congratulations! Longdistancetwins, gman, USAFChief and 3 others 6
tarheeltwinsfan Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 2 Gold Gloves, a consensus Defensive Player of the Year, Manager of the Year. The thrill of the playoffs (albeit a quick thrill). Awesome. I really enjoyed the 2017 season. Thank you to the Twins organization from the biggest Twins fan in North Carolina. See you in Fort Myers in March. Dman, KGB, Jerr and 12 others 15
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Well, nice for him but I still wish we had let him go. Oh well. Hopefully he manages a world series winning team next year! gman, Longdistancetwins, Thrylos and 4 others 7
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted November 15, 2017 Author Posted November 15, 2017 What happened with Phil Miller?Oh, you mean for not voting for him? Shouldn't Miller vote for who he objectively thinks should win, not the hometown guy? Yes, he should... I have no problem with his vote. Platoon, MN_ExPat and jimmer 3
Platoon Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 If nothing else the last two years have confirmed what we all knew about Molitor. He is either a very very poor manager, or a very very good manager. USAFChief, big dog, Monkeypaws and 6 others 9
sploorp Provisional Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 What happened with Phil Miller?Oh, you mean for not voting for him? Shouldn't Miller vote for who he objectively thinks should win, not the hometown guy?Miller probably though voting for your own guy violated some kind of unwritten Minnesota nice etiquette rule. He voted that way for fear other reporters would think him rude. Don Walcott and jimmer 2
jimmer Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) If nothing else the last two years have confirmed what we all knew about Molitor. He is either a very very poor manager, or a very very good manager. Or maybe we learned that he needed to get the experience under his belt 2015, 2016 (you know, it being his first two year managing at ANY level), which helped prepare him for 2017. Imagine if we didn't give a player MVP or CY Young because of how they performed the year before. Edited November 15, 2017 by jimmer Dman, DocBauer, MN_ExPat and 3 others 6
Guest Guests Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats, but he was not worth it. Unless someone wants to give him a pass for the 103 Loss team that he also led. Net change from 2015 = 2 games. That a MoY should does not make. If anything, he deserved it more in 2015. And if someone thinks that the 103 losses in 2016 was because of the front office only, that someone should be asking for Antony's (the GM for half the season) head.This sounds like an argument that he should have won MoY in 2015, because the Twins in 2011-2014 were pretty awful and he led them to a much better result in 2015.
Darius Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) I think it's pretty clear that the Twins "overachieved" the most. Won the most games per unit of talent, in other words. They had a patchwork bullpen and rotation (Belisle was the closer and Colon was starting games at one point late in the season). There were some significant injuries (Sano, Buxton, Hughes, May, even Burdi, Chagrois, etc). And, honestly, the roster didn't look very good before the injuries. Molitor took that team to nearly 90 wins and a Wild Card spot. Whether that is directly attributable to him in any way is debatable. But, the fact is, managers get credit for their team's performance in relation to expectations. Molitor's team did more with less than any other team in the American League. Edited November 15, 2017 by Darius OldFartAtPlay, MN_ExPat, DocBauer and 5 others 8
Old Twins Cap Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Well deserved for sure, but anyone looking at this would have to acknowledge that he won this award principally because the team collapsed totally in 2016. Without that abysmal record, 103 losses and completely unexpected in 2016, the Twins winning 85 games would be a yawner. So he's a great manager because his team was most recently very poor performing. Not sure how you get to be the best of baseball managers with that precise combination, but we'll take it because no one wants to go back to 2016. Ever. Ever. Longdistancetwins and Tom Froemming 2
Pardon My Dinger Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 I’ve actually had the conversation with several Twins fans here in LA: “what do you think of Molitor as a manager?” We tend to agree that the Twins win despite him. Not much of a consensus, but it’s at least a verdict, locally anyway... Good for him. I’m not overly excited about the news. Longdistancetwins and gman 2
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 If nothing else the last two years have confirmed what we all knew about Molitor. He is either a very very poor manager, or a very very good manager. Well played, sir. Fitting the Post Of The Year appears in the MOY thread.
NCtwinsfan Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 2 Gold Gloves, a consensus Defensive Player of the Year, Manager of the Year. The thrill of the playoffs (albeit a quick thrill). Awesome. I really enjoyed the 2017 season. Thank you to the Twins organization from the biggest Twins fan in North Carolina. See you in Fort Myers in March.Sorry, I beg to differ Anyway, Congrats to Molitor! tarheeltwinsfan, dbminn, snepp and 4 others 7
dbminn Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Here's the help Hinch got from his FO in 2017:Full seasons of Bregman and Gurriel (1190 v. 350 PA in 2016) in place of Valbuena, Tyler White and AJ ReedReddick and McCann in place of Castro, Gomez, Preston Tucker and RasmusCharlie Morton to replace Doug FisterVerlander for the stretch runHinch did a great job but he had a lot of FO help. Here's what the FO brought for Molitor:Castro and Gimenez for SuzukiBelisle and Breslow for the bullpenEhire AdrianzaOne start from GarciaKinzler and Garcia removed for the stretch runI wouldn't have been upset if Hinch had won. The writers made the right choice. Congratulations Paul Molitor! ashbury, Dozier's Glorious Hair, MN_ExPat and 10 others 13
old nurse Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats, but he was not worth it. Unless someone wants to give him a pass for the 103 Loss team that he also led. Net change from 2015 = 2 games. That a MoY should does not make. If anything, he deserved it more in 2015. And if someone thinks that the 103 losses in 2016 was because of the front office only, that someone should be asking for Antony's (the GM for half the season) head.The award is for the year that it is given, not cumulative. Since the manager is responsible for the 103 loss season, he gets credit for the turnaround, too. What happened? Unlike some many people in this world he got smarter learning from his mistakes. He managed the mediocre pitching staff down the stretch better than the more talented teams and finished ahead of them. For that learning, that marshalling of the old, unskilled, under experienced teamAntony should be GM of the year. Nolasco's season versus Santiago//Busenitz's season is likely key to this year's season. Nunez for Aldaberto the strikeout machine will look even greater when those nasty umpires quit calling all those balls on Mejia's pitches. tarheeltwinsfan, DocBauer, Dozier's Glorious Hair and 1 other 4
twinssporto Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Good for Paul! Good for Falvey and company too. Can you imagine the blow back from the average Twins fan out there if we would have let Paul go and he wins MOY??? Mr. Pohlad looks sage now too.... I'm going out to my deer stand this morning to ponder these things some more. VirginSturgeon, MN_ExPat and tarheeltwinsfan 3
tarheeltwinsfan Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 If nothing else the last two years have confirmed what we all knew about Molitor. He is either a very very poor manager, or a very very good manager. I believe Molitor is a quick learner.
tarheeltwinsfan Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Sorry, I beg to differ Anyway, Congrats to Molitor!Well, I may not be the biggest Twins' fan in NC (I still think I am), but I probably have been pulling for this franchise longer...since 1954, when I went to Griffith Stadium in DC with my brother and our grandfather. Saw Roy Seivers, Eddie Yost, Clint Courtney, Chuck Stobbs and Dean Stone. Of course the Senators lost to the Tigers that day, but it was the start of my love for the Senators/Twins. Top that, NCtwinsfan. EddieMatthews, spinowner, MN_ExPat and 1 other 4
Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats to Molitor. I don't think he's the best game manager, but I was very impressed with how his club finished out the year despite facing quite a bit of adversity, some of which was self inflicted by the front office. It would've been really easy for the team to just have quit in the second half. That was certainly a huge issue in Gardy's last four years. His clubs had a .444 winning percentage in the 1st half and just .365 in the 2nd half over that run. Anyway, here's hoping Molly can continue to set that tone of professionalism and consistent effort while also picking up some tricks from the new faces in the org. VirginSturgeon, Jerr, Dantes929 and 1 other 4
Don Walcott Verified Member Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Congrats to Mollie! I think this is a well earned award. I understand the comments about the 103 season being under his leadership. However, a lot of things snowballed out of control in 2016, and at some point really early in the season there was no chance to make the playoffs. I give Molitor credit for sticking it out in 2016. I'll bet he earned some loyalty from the players for going through 2016 with them and coming out the other side with hope for 2017. In 2017, he definitely kept this team together, even after the FO threw in the towel (I'm not criticizing the FO for that). Oh, and he's one of us!
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