When It Comes to Joe Ryan, Twins Have Four MLB Trade Deadline Options

[Patzky]

2 hours ago, Whitey333 said:

A serious team woukd realize they are playing better in a league full of underperforming teams.  IMO they need to follow the philosophy of the Brewers and Rays.  Trade your better players when their value is high for even better prospects.  Playing the middle ground between 

I guess people would be more comfortable with trading Joe if they could visualize what that might look like. Let's say he goes to the Dodgers, or the Cubs, or the Padres. What package might we expect back in return from each of them, realistically? (Or any other team.youbrhino might be a taker.)

[gmwannabe]

Given that the poor returns on the Mahle, Berrios, Varland, and Polanco trades didn't net the Twins 1 solid everyday player, (with much of the same group of talent evaluating personnel still in the front office), I have little faith in the prospects they will get if they trade Ryan given their track record. Look no further than our recent 1st round draft busts other than Buxton and the lousy returns on these afore mentioned trades if you have any doubts. 

[Mike Sixel]

57 minutes ago, JADBP said:

I would do everything in my power to extend Ryan, asap.  Not because I want to decide if I trade him.  Rather because I REALLY WANT him pitching for the Twins for the next 4-5 years.  Same for Pablo.  But, not for Jeffers, Bell, etc.  

I think the real problem here is that the Twins WILL be facing a minimum payroll and it might be in the $170 mill range.  Maybe the league helps out small market teams but the Twins still have to fill that payroll.  They are a really young team and they WILL need 3-4 big salaries to reach that minimum.  So, that who? Buxton, Pablo and Ryan next year.  Then what?  They really don't have anyone else to draw over $20 million (maybe Lewis gets there).  So, they might end up trading or signing OVERPAID players just to hit the minimum! 

So, best to own up to the coming reality.  The league has already proposed a minimum to balance a cap (I like this).  Now, who do they sign now to extend into those minimum years?  Our best option is easy and his name is Joe Ryan

The risk, as I have mentioned many times, is what to do if Ryan doesn't want to sign.  That means you have to trade him at the deadline or this offseason as the very latest. If you keep him next year, you are betting that there still is a QO so you get that one more year out of him and even then, he might be underpaid with the QO.  So, like I said, the best plan is to do everything you can to sign him, even if you have to overpay a bit or have to give him a nice signing bonus.  He is going to be an outstanding SP for years to come...wouldn't you love him to be starting for the Twins instead of NYY or BOS or ATL?  

The final reason to sign him is that it will prove that Tom is a man of his word!  Nothing says he putting your money where your mouth is better than signing Ryan to a long term contract.

JUST GIT ER DONE!  Then all this speculation ends....

They aren't going to 170 in one year. Maybe over two or three. 

[Mike Sixel]

11 minutes ago, gmwannabe said:

Given that the poor returns on the Mahle, Berrios, Varland, and Polanco trades didn't net the Twins 1 solid everyday player, (with much of the same group of talent evaluating personnel still in the front office), I have little faith in the prospects they will get if they trade Ryan given their track record. Look no further than our recent 1st round draft busts other than Buxton and the lousy returns on these afore mentioned trades if you have any doubts. 

Ryan was traded for. Abel. Bradley. 

[Nshore]

This Twins team still seems full of possibilities.  Maybe the Cubs and Guardians will squash that hope, but I don't think so.  Teams often evolve for better or worse as the season progresses, and this team seems to definitely be getting stronger.  An asset like Ryan is extremely hard to come by.  Mr. Pohlad and Zoll, please don't screw this up.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, JADBP said:

Good points, LA, but the CBA ends at the end of the World Series, so you CAN'T negotiate in the offseason as soon as the team strikes, which I assume is as soon as they can.  So, everyone gets  locked out of negotiating with players.  Then, we wait.  I agree, I don't expect a strike to go into the regular season, as the teams and the players will lose too much money.  But, it will make for one of those Silly Season trade windows.  All hell will break loose. 

I still say the best plan is to do everything possible to extend Ryan NOW, before the end of the trade window.  If he is adamant, and it is clear that nothing will move him now or off-season, to sign a long term contract, then yeah, trade him.  But maybe Joe needs to step in here and talk with Ryan.  There is a new sheriff in town.  Pay him.  Overpay him.  Give him a bonus.  Git er done.  And, if all of that fails, then yeah, trade him.  He's a grown up and if he adamantly wants to change teams, the do it.    

This isn't quite true. The CBA expires at 11:59 PM ET on December 1, not at the end of the World Series. The general thought at this point is the owners lockout the players at 12 AM on December 2. It's possible one side or the other decides to act earlier than that, but that's not the likely chain of events. There will be a month-ish of offseason before a labor stoppage. 

[laloesch]

3 hours ago, Linus said:

There has been lots of speculation about a cap / floor as part of the new CBA. I don’t think that is likely as you only get a floor if the owners get a cap. The players union has fought a cap tooth and nail in prior negotiations so I don’t think it is likely. If it does happen it probably means the 2027 season is screwed. 

The player's union says they are totally against it, but if you get away from the big player contracts to the lesser guys, I'm sure in secret they are gung ho for a salary floor.  They are the ones that will benefit most from a salary floor not the star players already getting paid massive contracts

[jimbo92107]

Joe Ryan is the best, most reliable starting pitcher the Twins have had in a long, long time. He pitches within himself, paces himself, pitches with an excellent plan, and appears to be durable long term. Getting rid of him would be the epitomy of stoooopid, so...well, it's been nice knowing ya, Joe. 

[amjgt]

5 hours ago, MMMordabito said:

An extension isn't an option?

We could also DFA him. Seems as likely as an extension. 😜

[soyouresayingtheresachance]

There is a 0% chance I'm trading Joe Ryan at the deadline this year. I am doing everything to extend him. Period. If hes not a Twin past next season, it would be a great disappointment. 

If Pohlad is serious he needs to find a way to keep players like Ryan around. Pay him. Pay that man his money. 

[amjgt]

25 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

This isn't quite true. The CBA expires at 11:59 PM ET on December 1, not at the end of the World Series. The general thought at this point is the owners lockout the players at 12 AM on December 2. It's possible one side or the other decides to act earlier than that, but that's not the likely chain of events. There will be a month-ish of offseason before a labor stoppage. 

And to add a little flavor to this...

Any QO decisions from teams have to be made by about November 5th (depends on what day the Worlds Series ends) and then the decision from the player needs to be made within 10 days of that. So those things would happen prior to a lockout.

I know that doesn't affect the MAIN topic of this thread (Joe Ryan) but it does affect someone who's been brought up several times here (Ryan Jeffers)

[amjgt]

Maybe he's been brought up in this thread and it was just a post I skimmed over, but an extension for Pablo seems way more likely that Joe. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have them both beyond 2027, anchoring the rotation, with some combination of Taj, Abel, Prielipp, and Zebby filling it out. You pair that with a lineup that is good now (with a little smoke and mirrors) but looks to be building towards a young, fun 2027/28 and you've got a team that you don't have to squint to see having good sustainable success.

But I just don't see both Pablo and Joe both being around past 2027. And based on the AAV and years that it might take, I view Pablo as a more likely, lower cost, lower risk extension candidate. 

[Stew]

An extension could be an option. But will his agent ask for a lot more? Will they have to give a qualifying offer . There is a lot to look over.you have other contracts to deal with. Lopez has one more year . It would make since to hold on Ryan and negotiate an extension. Then see if lopez is pitching well. If he is good he could be on the trading block. He is paid eight million more than ryan next year. And the twins have stated they may not trade jeffers. I don't see us keeping all three.

[Hubie29]

I'm afraid if we trade our ace, and maybe lose or trade Lopez, we will be back to the Bundy, Archer Shoemaker days. I am not confident Matthews, Festa, Prielipp etc, etc are going to get it done. You have to keep the pitching when you have it.