Rocco Baldelli, Derek Falvey, & Dave St Peter Likely To Remain With Twins in 2025

[Brock Beauchamp]

This is going to be controversial, and for good reason. In Aaron Gleeman's latest roundup for The Athletic, he mentions that while change is likely coming, three of the most controversial figures of the Twins' late-season collapse are likely to remain in place for the 2025 season.

Team manager Rocco Baldelli, President of Baseball Operations Derek Falvey, and team president Dave St. Peter will probably run it back again at 1 Twins Way in 2025.

Gleeman mentions that while changes could be coming, the core of the organization is likely safe. This isn't going to sit well with the fanbase after so many of them couldn't watch games on television while the Twins were red-hot and then after a dead-deadline, the team was no longer worth watching. 

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[TheLeviathan]

Let's hope this year they get the budget number in November and not February.  Then let's hope they do a better job allocating the restricted dollars than Margot/DeScalfini/etc.

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, TheLeviathan said:

Let's hope this year they get the budget number in November and not February.  Then let's hope they do a better job allocating the restricted dollars than Margot/DeScalfini/etc.

Honestly, out of the trio, I'm most unhappy with Dave St Peter for that ****ing travesty of a television contract after all those empty promises.

Second would be Baldelli.

I'm pretty okay with Falvey, really.

[TheLeviathan]

2 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Honestly, out of the trio, I'm most unhappy with Dave St Peter for that ****ing travesty of a television contract after all those empty promises.

Second would be Baldelli.

I'm pretty okay with Falvey, really.

Dave St. Peter has earned his firing for 20 years.  He's also the person I expect to see die in his role before he's ever removed.

[Craig Arko]

Levine is probably the odd person out.

[ashbury]

Depending on how the FO workload is spread out, replacing Levine makes the most sense to me.  That person can then decide about Rocco.  Coaching needs a shake up too, minor leagues included.  Big player personnel decisions have to be made as well.

I keep having the feeling that Falvey is going to win a World Series with a deep pocketed team someday.  My hawt taek of the morning.

My main concern is whether Falvey is too loyal to fire the man he joined the organization with.  Loyalty is a positive quality, but so is clear eyed decision making.  And, as I said to begin this post, I lack the inside information to know whether Falvey should fire Levine or himself.  Useful information would include: which genius believed that acquiring Manny Margot was the finishing touch to the position player roster, and which genius constructed a pitching roster that apparently deemed DeSclafani a viable member of the rotation. 

If Falvey merely signed off on those trades, saying "you're the GM," that's one thing.  If instead he overruled some different proposals and said "have you tried talking to the Dodgers about Margot?" then that's another.

[Brad Philbrick]

I think Ken Rosenthal summed it up best: the Twins implosion is an overall organizational malady. The Pohlad's confirmed and reiterated a valuable business lesson.  They cut expenses. As a self-employed LLC small business, I can cut costs, too! I'm no longer going to buy tickets as gifts from professional teams who have no interest in providing a quality product or service.

Of course, all teams have injuries. It seems the Dodgers have their fair share, but they still compete and succeed. The Twins implode. I do not profess to be an athletic trainer, but again, the question becomes, "is there a problem with the Twin's development and physical training?" 

[Brad Philbrick]

I agree, Dave St, Peter is a train wreck! But, he is the president, so I think we are stuck with him.

[Jocko87]

3 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Honestly, out of the trio, I'm most unhappy with Dave St Peter for that ****ing travesty of a television contract after all those empty promises.

Second would be Baldelli.

I'm pretty okay with Falvey, really.

St Peter is the key.  We still need the story of the chief revenue officer saga.  

Everything we hated was directly tied to his office.  

[nicksaviking]

Well Levine is second after St. Peter on my chopping block.

But I'm not putting much stock in this report right now. Gleeman is great, but the team hasn't even had any end of season meetings yet. They're going to take the temperature all around before making any decisions.

[BH67]

4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Honestly, out of the trio, I'm most unhappy with Dave St Peter for that ****ing travesty of a television contract after all those empty promises.

Second would be Baldelli.

I'm pretty okay with Falvey, really.

Falvey insisted on Baldelli as part of The Process. To me, that makes the responsibility for poor field performance unitary.

[lecroy24fan]

On 9/29/2024 at 9:39 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

Honestly, out of the trio, I'm most unhappy with Dave St Peter for that ****ing travesty of a television contract after all those empty promises.

 

I lost all respect for him 2 years ago when he called out the fans for not attending games when the team was mediocre.

[ashbury]

25 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Well Levine is second after St. Peter on my chopping block.

But I'm not putting much stock in this report right now. Gleeman is great, but the team hasn't even had any end of season meetings yet. They're going to take the temperature all around before making any decisions.

Yes and no.  If they have thoughts of replacing, say, Levine, they need to be putting the feelers out now for a replacement.  The good candidates get snapped up quickly.  Word gets around fast, so they also would be doing Thad a courtesy of letting him know that he might want to look around, himself.

[jimstein8]

The players and coaches should not be made scapegoats for the Pohlads ineptitude/unwillingness to invest in a winning team. 

I wish the P🤑hlads would sell to owner(s), who are willing to take care of business. 

Just my opinion

[S Bart]

I know they have hitting and pitching facilities where players can hone their skills during the winter. Is there anything available for managers? There were enough ridiculous bad decisions made by Rocco that were difference makers in the games this year. In fact, there were enough mishaps that steered them from the playoffs. Somebody needs to teach him some basic managing skills. I have been a Twins fan for almost 50 years and have never been so disillusion with a manager. Some of the calls that he has made were mindboggling. Falvey announced that Rocco will be returning in 2025. You can have a team of Ohtanis on your roster but bad calls by the manager will produce loses and can cost a team the playoffs. PLEASE....Rocco...THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX ...status quo as you did in 2024 DID NOT WORK!

Go TWINS!

[Whitey333]

More lip service from ownership.  They just shrug off the inept play and then get upset that more fans aren't showing up.  We've been lied to and otherwise misled for the past several years.  Like Baldelli and Falvey dodging questions, making excuses, and somehow shrugging their shoulders during this EPIC COLLAPSE.   They were not just losses.  Most of them were embarrassing losses.  How they can condone sloppy listless non caring play is inexcusable.  Obviously the Twins Way is ancient history.  The new Twins way is poor baseball, terrible public relations, and a team that has no fire, or discipline.  I just wish they really did care about the fans.  

[Coach JT]

Terrible job 

Levine - fired 

Rocco - fired 

St.Peter - fired 

Rocco and staff - fired 

minor league manager- fired 

 

we need a new direction please or Pohlads sell the team . So disappointing and the only way to show them it’s disappointing and disgraceful is to stop watching them at all ! 

[Old Crow]

18 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Well Levine is second after St. Peter on my chopping block.

But I'm not putting much stock in this report right now. Gleeman is great, but the team hasn't even had any end of season meetings yet. They're going to take the temperature all around before making any decisions.

One can only hope.  

[Richie the Rally Goat]

1 hour ago, Coach JT said:

Terrible job 

Levine - fired 

Rocco - fired 

St.Peter - fired 

Rocco and staff - fired 

minor league manager- fired 

 

we need a new direction please or Pohlads sell the team . So disappointing and the only way to show them it’s disappointing and disgraceful is to stop watching them at all ! 

Which “minor league manager” do you want fired?

[Jocko87]

20 hours ago, jimstein8 said:

The players and coaches should not be made scapegoats for the Pohlads ineptitude/unwillingness to invest in a winning team. 

I wish the P🤑hlads would sell to owner(s), who are willing to take care of business. 

Just my opinion

The Polhads should not be made scapegoats for terrible performances of the players and coaches.  

Look no farther that the Oakland As, who made the best of what they had.  At some point, you look around the locker room and say "let's go boys" and do it.

Or, do what they did, which is entirely unacceptable, regardless of any input from ownership. 

[FlyingFinn]

7 hours ago, Coach JT said:

minor league manager- fired 

What's your basis for firing one or all of our minor league managers? Brian Dinkleman had his team in the playoffs for the last ten years. He started with Zebby Matthews and Andrew Morris this year and they ended up with super seasons, one all the way from A ball to the Twins and the other to AAA. I wouldn't mind seeing him promoted as he and his staff really seem to teach and advance guys up to the next level.

Overall, I think the minor league coaches did great on the pitching side this year. Our top hitters all had significant time on the IL. When healthy, they also performed well. Even though they and we all love winning, player development is more important in the minors.

[Craig Arko]

Looks like both the Giants and Cardinals are making high-level FO changes. It will be interesting to see if that makes any difference for them.

[Doctor Gast]

I can understand & forgive the Pohlads IF there is a salary crunch because we had a team that didn't have to spend much to make us a viable contender only to make a crucial minor trade for a mid-rotation inning eater in the offseason & another minor trade at the deadline for a LHRP. But those didn't happen. For us to be perennial contenders especially under these conditions, we need a FO who has pertinent philosophies, better player evaluation in development & trades together, puts greater importance on medical records & who has the ability to initiate needed trades. 

Falvey isn't the one, together with Baldelli who is exactly the yes-man that he wants. Change has to come & it was needed at the top. Because it didn't happen THIS is what I blame the Pohlads (does St. Peter fit here?). They have no idea what they're doing & they are giving total blind control over to Falvey. Because of this we'll never have a competitive team. 

Because of this decision, it'll affect my enthusiasm for the Twins.

[dxpavelka]

On 9/29/2024 at 10:13 AM, Brad Philbrick said:

I think Ken Rosenthal summed it up best: the Twins implosion is an overall organizational malady. The Pohlad's confirmed and reiterated a valuable business lesson.  They cut expenses. As a self-employed LLC small business, I can cut costs, too! I'm no longer going to buy tickets as gifts from professional teams who have no interest in providing a quality product or service.

Of course, all teams have injuries. It seems the Dodgers have their fair share, but they still compete and succeed. The Twins implode. I do not profess to be an athletic trainer, but again, the question becomes, "is there a problem with the Twin's development and physical training?" 

And yet the Twins have as many  titles in the last 40 years as the Dodgers.  Just sayin

 

[Original_JB]

1 hour ago, dxpavelka said:

And yet the Twins have as many  titles in the last 40 years as the Dodgers.  Just sayin

 

And yet, they don't seem to be having attendance issues, and if anything, their fandom has even more opportunities for discretionary spending than ours does. So....... what are you saying? It's all about the $320M/yr tv deal they have? That covers a lot of holes.

[NotAboutWinning]

Of these three returning, it is Baldelli that concerns me the most. And that has nothing to do with spreadsheets or lack of instincts. It has to do with the morale of the team going forward. I was at the last two games of the season. There was no heart, no pride left in those players. Now you have the highly paid superstar and the next face of the franchise sniping at each other in the media. I don't think time is going to heal these wounds!

[dxpavelka]

15 hours ago, Original_JB said:

And yet, they don't seem to be having attendance issues, and if anything, their fandom has even more opportunities for discretionary spending than ours does. So....... what are you saying? It's all about the $320M/yr tv deal they have? That covers a lot of holes.

having four times the population (metropolitan area alone) covers some holes as well.

[David HK]

On 9/29/2024 at 11:13 PM, Brad Philbrick said:

I think Ken Rosenthal summed it up best: the Twins implosion is an overall organizational malady. The Pohlad's confirmed and reiterated a valuable business lesson.  They cut expenses. As a self-employed LLC small business, I can cut costs, too! I'm no longer going to buy tickets as gifts from professional teams who have no interest in providing a quality product or service.

Of course, all teams have injuries. It seems the Dodgers have their fair share, but they still compete and succeed. The Twins implode. I do not profess to be an athletic trainer, but again, the question becomes, "is there a problem with the Twin's development and physical training?" 

Yes.  Royce is a prime example.  For god's sake, get him on a fking yoga program, improve his flexibility, so those connective tissue injuries are less likely to happen.  Something- anything but what they're doing!  And wow, it didn't take long for the slump-proof superhero to turn into a whining excuse-maker as his months-long "not a slump" dragged on.

And you and Rosenthal are right- it is a total organizational failure, led by the failed silver-spoon-fed son from Central Casting.  Wee Pohlad Jr. is like donny jr and eric and jared rolled up in one.  What part of organizational behavior 101 is announcing you're going to tank our only successful season in 30 years before it even starts?  Incompetent and tone deaf, what a great combination.

Add to that "talent" evaluators in the front office.  FFS, Mahle, DeScalfani, Topa, and adding Margot instead of the likes of Tommy Pham, or even bringing back Solano.  Trevor Richards, anyone?  Our one and only deadline deal?  FFS.  And wow, is there a secret vortex in the Twinks dugout that leads one to setting up lineups-by-dartboard and boneheaded BP management?  Molly did it before him, and Rocco doubled down.  The way we tanked so completely down the stretch requires wholesale changes.  

Please, make that rumoured sale happen.  I'm sick of living through the second Calvin Griffith era.